[uucdigest] Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 381 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] RE: <E46 M3> Is the new M3 a porker? [uuc] RE: Gas Out Won't Work Re: [uuc] Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) [uuc] Re: gas out 2000 [uuc] <MISC> more on car sales Re: [uuc] Torque wrench recommendations re:[uuc] gas out 2000 [uuc] RE: Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) [uuc] <All> That Floor Jack Thing Re: [uuc] Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) [uuc] RE: BMW/Toyota [uuc] Re: GAS OUT [uuc] GAS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:53:48 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: <E46 M3> Is the new M3 a porker? Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: > > the last US E36 M3 is listed at 3175, the E46 328Ci at 3197. Unless > some of those unique-to-M3 body panels are aluminum or composite, I > have a feeling that the M3 will weight even more, which IMO is > moving in the wrong direction. Adding power to compensate is one > thing, but mass is still mass, to the detriment of dynamics. BMW is indeed shy about the E46 M3 weight, but PTG (http://www.ptgracing.com/pressalms2.htm) is listing their new E46 M3 at about 115 lbs. _lighter_ then their E36 cars (2420 lbs. vs. 2535 lbs.). Now, PTG always puts their cars on a serious diet, but apparently E46 chassis is noticeably lighter as well as longer, wider and more aerodynamic then its predecessor. > - - "BMW M Power" has been banished from the cam cover, with only a > solitary M badge to take its place. BMW seams to be quietly dropping the 'M Power' slogan. BMW Williams cars are now powered by 'BMW Power', not 'M Power' like the last BWM F1 attempt. Go figure. The rest of the comments are largely "they don't make them like they used to" sentiments. I am too young to buy into that one. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:59 -0500 From: "Roman Lifson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Gas Out Won't Work NOTICE: This message and its attachments are confidential and may be protected by the attorney/client privilege. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete and destroy this message and its attachments. ******************************* While possibly well-meaning, this effort is useless. Changing by a few days the dates on which we buy gas (without reducing our actual consumption) will have absolutely no effect on any oil companies, foreign or domestic. If we "buy what [we] need before the dates listed above, or after," the oil companies will sell exactly the same amount of gas with or without the "Gas Out." Exxon, Amoco, Mobil (nor OPEC) do not care whether we fill our tanks on April 6 or on April 7, or on April 11. The only people who probably care are the independent gas station operators to whom the few days' cash flow difference may matter. Actually, if the "Gas Out" becomes a widespread effort, it quite likely would encourage gas stations (and possibly oil companies) to raise prices on the days immediately before and after the moratorium to take advantage of the higher demand on those days. This is activisim without a clue. Roman Lifson '98 M3 (filled with expensive premium) > ***Mark this on your calendars!*** > > > > As you may have heard, gas prices are skyrocketing beginning this week > > (they are thinking around $2.00/gallon for premium here in Columbus, > OH), > > and speculation has it the price will not be going down until the end of > > summer. I will be planning on participating in the gas out mentioned > below, > > whether or not it works, we'll see. Anytime we can stick it to them it's > a > > good day. > > > > Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the > US. > > to bring the price of gas down, and it worked. It's time to do something > > about it again. This time, lets make it for three days instead of just > one. > > The oil cartel decided to slow production to drive up gasoline prices. > Lets > > see how many Canadian\American people we can get to ban together for a > > three day period in April, NOT TO BUY ANY GASOLINE, during those three > > days. LETS HAVE A GAS OUT. > > > > Do not buy any gasoline from APRIL 7, 2000, THROUGH APRIL 9, 2000. > > > > Buy what you need before the dates listed above, or after, but try not > to > > buy any during the GAS OUT. If you want to help, just send this to > everyone > > you know and ask them to do the same. > > > > We brought the prices down once before, and we can do it again! Come on > > North America lets stand together. > > > > WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. > > > > Even if you receive this 100 times keep passing it around, this way you > > know everyone is being informed and no one will forget!!!!!!!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:01:04 -0500 From: "Grant Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) I see you are at IU... I'm from Columbus, IN :) I'm at college right now in Angola at Tri-State though. I have an 87 325 and I love it a lot, even though it's the "economy" eta. Check out my site, http://gunter.gunter.com :) Good luck with all your car problems.. You sure were lucky it was only a couple belts.. I feel your pain about the constant maintenance though. I bought mine last summer for $3k from a guy in Chicago, only to spend another $3k on it fixing stuff. (clutch, wheel bearing, half the exhaust, steering rack, timing belt change..) I still love it though ;) It's great in the snow compared to my old Nissan mini-pickup, and not having to downshift on the interstate is nice. And I always get 25mpg on any combination of driving.. sounds like a winner to me! If you can't tell from my website, I'm pretty obsessed with BMWs, and I'm still learning all the technical and mechanical stuff. My dream, an E39 M5, silver with black windows.. stealthy all the way! Grant 87 325 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alix Sebesta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: [uuc] Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) > Just got off the phone with the shop--I must say I'm relieved. > > The water pump is still perfectly functional. This was replaced by my > brother about 50K miles ago. I don't know how long these typically last, > but I'm not going to get a new one until next week. And if someone tells > me not to get a new one, I will NOT listen. > > The cylinder head is fine, no damage of any sort. Maybe there is a god? > > At any rate, all it will take to get the car functional again is 3 new > belts. Will be ready at 3 today. About $55 for labor, $15 for the > belts, and $30 for towing. Those numbers are a lot more palatable than > say, $750 for a new cylinder head... > > However... > > Mechanic also says the cam shaft seal is leaking onto the timing belt. > > I was planning on changing the timing belt next week anyhow, so if it can > last one more week, that's good. If not, well, I was looking for a new > car anyhow. > > Says something in the front suspension is shot. I can't remembder what > he said. Wasn't the tie rod end tho. > Hmmm. > > And my transmission is leaking. At least that was no suprise. > > At least spring break is in a week, so I guess I'll be spending 10 days of > quality time with my car. Maybe that'll carry it over to the summer. > At which point it'll decide it wants a new transmission, suspension, > interior, etc etc etc. > > Thanks again to everyone that helped. Time to move on to crisis #8 for > the week. > > Alix > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: gas out 2000 On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Dave Lacki wrote: > > Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the US. > > to bring the price of gas down, and it worked. It's time to do something > > about it again. This time, lets make it for three days instead of just > one. it did? on 4/25/99, gas cost me $1.90/gal. On 5/9/99, it was $1.96. In Aug and Sep it was 2.00. > > Buy what you need before the dates listed above, or after, but try not to > > buy any during the GAS OUT. If you want to help, just send this to Good thing the gas suppliers have no idea what we're up to. tee hee Otherwise they might notice that the average amount of gas sold doesn't change. This will surely fool them. - -- John Bolhuis | "In America it is not considered to be mentally ill bolhuijo | when a woman advances on her prey in a discotheque @bolhuijo.com | setting with hardy cocktails present." | -Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis A. Ingraham) Subject: [uuc] <MISC> more on car sales Several of you have pointed out that in UUC Digest v03.n371 I wrote something silly about dealing with potential car buyers over the phone: > Likewise, a caller who tries to negotiate a price without > having seen the car is also not serious. When I wrote that I was thinking of the occasional local bozo who quickly launches a brutal price negotiation but doesn't seem willing to spend a few minutes looking at the car and hasn't asked enough questions to determine what the car is worth. As you have carefully explained, this comment does not apply to a diligent buyer who asks lots of questions before making an offer. Curt Ingraham 72 2002tii Oakland, California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:36:39 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Torque wrench recommendations I prefer the bending beam type because they do not go out of calibration and they are cheaper. You need up to 80 ft-lbs for wheel bolts. Probably 0 to 100 is the right type. The click type are easier to use but I don't trust them. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Alright tool junkies, if I'm continue working on my car I guess I'm gonna > need a torque wrench. I won't be tearing engines apart or replacing shocks - > I'll leave that up to the pros. But routine maintenance, brake pads, wheel > changes, etc. What should I be looking for in a torque wrench. I've never > owned one before. > > Tim T. > slowly revamping his tool set > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:16:15 -0500 From: "Eric Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re:[uuc] gas out 2000 Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I enjoy driving my hot rod SUV way too much to stop feeding his high octane habit. I get 11 MPG on the highway if I'm lucky, and 7-8 MPG around town. But when I open that Holley, and feel the rush of dinosaur juice, it's hard to stop. 6000 lbs going 100 mph with the aerodynamics of a steel brick- WOO HOO! (and it really is hard to stop!) Regards, Eric Benjamin 98 M3/4 95 M3 (wife's) 90 Grand Wagoneer w/ 300 hp (need to add a 30 gallon aux. tank) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:14:20 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) Alix Sebesta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: > > Mechanic also says the cam shaft seal is leaking onto the > timing belt. Don't worry, they all do it after 100+K miles. Replace it during the next timing belt change. A new seal is under $10 from the dealer. The cam shaft seal is not "leaking", it is "sweating". Big difference. I bet most if not all of the rubber seals are "sweating" oil on your car given its age. Don't worry about it unless they start leaking/dripping oil. > I was planning on changing the timing belt next week anyhow, > so if it can last one more week, that's good. If not, well, > I was looking for a new car anyhow. So, if it were something needing immediate attention you would still ignore it and trash the car? Say it ain't so. > Says something in the front suspension is shot. I can't > remembder what he said. Wasn't the tie rod end tho. > Hmmm. Control arms? Bushings? > And my transmission is leaking. At least that was no suprise. Yep, it should - see the part about sweating seals. Consider replacing rear transmission seals next time you are replacing the guibo/flex disk. Again, if there are no drips on your parking spot, don't worry about it. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:17:00 -0500 From: dstevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <All> That Floor Jack Thing Hi Here is the definitive jack site http://www.hyjacks.com/. Items like floor jacks can be expensive to ship. The way I got around this was I had my local tire company that I deal with order me a Lincoln from their local supplier (they all use Lincoln). This circumvented that healthy freight charge. If I had the cash I would throw it at one of those light weight racing jacks, since I do not have a garage I end up carrying around this Lincoln and this is no trivial task for an old guy... Later ______ o/______\o (Oo=00=oO) []=****=[] Thanks Don Stevenson/BMWCCA Boston Chapter 1988 325IS, (too much to list), should have stayed the street car. (Sharked) 1987 325IS, project, should have been the track car. (Sharked) 1988 Volvo 240 Wagon 5 Speed. (Green Wheels) This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged or confidential information. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone any information contained in this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the author by replying to this message and then kindly delete the message. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:19:01 -0500 From: "Grant Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) Oops.. that was supposed to be a private message! *bonk* I've finally messed up on that one! Grant - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Low <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Update: All is not lost (was broken belt) ......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:22:28 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: BMW/Toyota "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: > > A couple of old Toyota pickups (12-15 years) at work are > completely rusted out with big holes in them, but they never > start or idle badly. I guess there is not chance for them to idle badly if they never start ;-)) alex f > Neil Deshpande > 1988 325 iS - 188k miles > 1989 325 iC - 178k miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:25:18 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: GAS OUT <rant> re: the GAS OUT idea Bitch, bitch, bitch! If you don't want to drive, don't drive -- simple, eh? Just leave the rest of us out of it and take your politics elsewhere. Here's a Q-n-A for ya, Stumpy: Q: Adjust the current gas prices for inflation and what do you have? A: Near all-time historical lows for gas prices. We comprise 5% of the world's population, we consume 25% of the world's fossil fuels, and we have the cheapest petrol prices on the planet. Free tip: after a heavy night of bar-hopping, don't engage a European in a bitch session about how we are raped for petrol prices here in the US -- I've seen this, and it ain't pretty. Just pay the man and get out and drive yer Bimmer, just like in the Fatherland (but without paying $5-$7 per gallon for gas, like in the Fatherland). Mikey's life: a seven-series, a lead foot, and a lot of trips to the pump PS All you "soccer moms" who made Biff get you a Suburban to make runs to Costco with the crumbsnatchers -- enjoy that 8 mpg! </rant> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:22:07 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] GAS You should try keeping Stella in her favorite high-test gas......gulp! And I get 15-17 MPG in the city, 20+ on the highway. And at the local Chevron, $1.50/gallon for high-test, 21-22 gallons a fillup, 2 fillups a week....... time to adjust the ol' budget! Steve Jones 1990 750iL 'Stella' BMWCCA Peachtree, GA Chapter #164681 pics at http://conundrumcomputing.com/bimmer.htm ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #381 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
