[uucdigest] Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 03 : Number 447 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] RE: What Radar Detectors are good other than Valentine One????? Re: [uuc] Sway bars for E36 [uuc] RE: [uucdigest] V3 #444 Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe [none] Re: [uuc] That FogLight Thread [uuc] Re: WTB E30 M3 front bumper Re: [uuc] Re: WTB E30 M3 front bumper [uuc] Radar detector technology Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:39:08 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: What Radar Detectors are good other than Valentine One????? "Benjamin R. MacRae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: > > Valentine One is out of my budget. No way, cant justify > spending $400 on a detector. [...] Well, isnt there something > else for cheaper, around $100-150 that would work *pretty* well? One of Bel better models (forgot which one) got pretty close to V1 in some recent British car magazine tests. Still, at $350 for that particular Bel model, it could not match V1's similarly priced performance. > Maybe I'm just not understanding the whole thing here......if > it's instant-on, you're gone, or at least you'd better have a > heckuv a detector that picks out the cop when he instant-ons > the guy ahead of you 3 miles up the road. True. And if your are flying in the middle of the night with absolutely no traffic in either direction on a 2-lane divided TX road, even V1 will not save your bacon. Ask me how I know this. > If he's sitting there with the radar just a runnin' away, > then while a cheapo detector wont pick him up as soon as > a super sensitive V1, it would pick him up at some point, > right??? (hopefully before you are past him/her). Not exactly. One reason for saving pennies to buy a hyper sensitive V1 are the hilly roads. Cresting over a hill you have a very short distance in which your detector can pick up a radar signal and you can still slow down to legal speeds. A cheapo $100 detector will eventually wake up, but by that time the cop will have already gotten your speed reading and flipped his lights. Another reason is that a cheapo detector will be falsing so much that you will soon stop paying attention to it altogether. And that's when you get nailed. Even happens with a V1. You are driving on a packed highway next to some SUV with a cheapo detector that is leaking Ka and K bands all over the place. You stop paying attention to the V1 just as a cop is pulling out off the side of the road to meet his quote. Luckily, on someone else. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:41:34 -0800 From: Jim Ochi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Sway bars for E36 At 10:39 AM 3/15/00 -0600, Vijay Nuthulapaty wrote: > >Another choice is what a friend of mine recommended and is tubular and is >carried by Mountain Auto Sport (or something like that) but I do not have >their number/e-mail/web address. If anyone here has any contact >information on this outfit, please drop me a line. > TC Kline/ProParts has a way cool blade-adjustable tubular sway bar on their website. They used to also carry the MASR tubular bar, but it doesn't seem to be on their web site anymore. Check out http://www.propartsusa.net. Hope this helps, Jim Ochi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:48:52 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: [uucdigest] V3 #444 Now that we have come full circle, I would probably favor the Focus out of the three (I actually looked one over at a local Ford dealership as it was 'dakar' yellow in color and caught my eye). None the less, I feel Ford is not going in a very good direction design-wise with their "crisp" edges in the exterior metal (funny that these are coming after the egg-shaped Taurus ten years ago). The new Mustang is uglier than the previous model as a result of their "crisp" lines. I certainly do not consider the "crisp" lines of a Ford anything like the crisp lines of a BMW. Best regards, Rich - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:29:45 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE:[uuc] Uhhhhgly? Er... After all this "bashing", I have to beg to differ. I, for one, think the Focus in this group is the exception. I *really* think it's a fine looking car. Very sharp looking. I liked it instantly. I agree with Andy T. *rant off* Zach > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:15:22 -0500 > From: Ethan Stock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Uhhhhgly! > > Keen-eyed art critic Rich said: > > > Toyota Echo > > Honda Insight > > Ford Focus > > > >All three of these cars could have just as easily come out > of the same > >design team....UGLY. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:48:16 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe >From basic engineering principles , f=ma and the definition of power, acceleration can be calculated to be proportional to power and inversely proportional to speed. This means that at low speeds, acceleration can be very high except for the limit of traction. Acceleration is limited by traction up to a certain speed. The greater the power to weight ratio, the higher the speed where acceleration becomes power limited, not traction limited. A rear wheel drive high performance passenger car has its acceleration limited by traction to about 0.7g. A US M3 with 240 hp and 3200 lb (plus about 1000 lbs in equivalent rotating weight in first gear) is traction limited to about 32 mph. The Euro M3 is traction limited to about 40 mph. Since most of the time below 60 mph is spent at speeds where both cars are traction limited, the only time where the euro car has a chance to outpace the US car is above 32 mph. Even in this range, the difference is small. This is why the 0-60 times are so similar (but the Euro car is faster). At speeds above 60, neither car is traction limited, acceleration, at a given speed, is proportional to the power. At these speeds, the Euro car will accelerate 34% faster. The Euro engine has a peak torque of 258 ft-lb at 3250 rpm compared to 236 ft-lb at 3800 rpm for the US engine. I suspect that below 2000 rpm, the US engine has more torque, but the engine never sees that rpm when doing a maximum acceleration run. In a nutshell, the US and Euro spec M3 have similar 0 to 60 times because they are both traction limited for a large portion of that test and the Euro car cannot take advantage of its greater power. At higher speeds, the Euro spec car will out accelerate the US spec by 34%. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I hate to ask, but: > > Gary Derian said: > > >I agree with Andy. There is no way a 240 hp car will be as fast as the same > >car with 321hp. Gearing helps but not that much. The difference will be > >more noticeable at higher speeds, and the 240 may be plenty fast below 80 > >mph but the 321 hp will be lots faster. The Euro engine also has more > >torque at lower rpm. > > Gary - any documentation we could read on this? The published test > times for the euro vs US coupe, 0-60 times have varied less than 1/10th > of a second (given the range I've seen for the US coupe of 5.1 to 5.6 > seconds 0-60 - I have never seen any euro rating of 5.0 or less..) > > And the euro engine has more torque at lower RPM? Got any numbers > on this? I seem to remember the original US-M engine was specifically > designed to have more torque down at low RPMs, sacrificing HP at > higher RPM's 'cause that is the kind of driving we do.. > > And from the convoluted discussion ("240 may be plenty fast below > 80 mph but the 321 hp will be lots faster.") on 'fast' and 'faster' above, > I don't think anyone has argued that the US version IS faster than the > Euro version - the point being made was the US version is fast > ENOUGH (and equal or very close to the euro) for any realistic > driving conditions in this country. > > Ultimate fast? Nope - but dare you to drive the current M-Coupe for > long at it's top speed of 135 mph anywhere in the US on public > roads.. you'll be slapped in jail real-fast-now.. > > > ................................................................... > Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.monmouth.com/~deilenberger > "You're absolutely right, and I apologize" --Darryl Richman > "Silly me... I apologize." --Tim Hall "Sorry..." --Magwa > ................................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:53:33 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [none] Hi Mike, thanks for the report. Opinion is running about 50/50 right now to either go with Sports or stay with HDs. I know I would not be unhappy with Sports. I'm having mixed feelings here. Point: Get the Sports. Just do the whole job one time. Counterpoint: Jane, you ignorant slut. Oh wait, wrong counterpoint. Counterpoint: Save money. The jury is still out. Plus, there is still the question as to whether the shocks/struts for the M3 are different, or the same, as the rest of the E30 line. Some vendors list them as the same part number, others list different part numbers. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 1990 325i/isH >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:37:08 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [uuc] re:<e-30>Shocking Suspension > > Scott, I have an 88 325IS. I put Bilstein HD struts on it a few years ago, >and then last year put Racing Dynamics springs on. It's about a 1" drop. >Didn't change the struts. Everything is fine, no problems and I have driven >it 20k miles since, including interstate, track, and pot-holes here in >Minnesota. Mike T. Northstar Chapter, CCA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:53:04 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] That FogLight Thread >A buddy of mine once did the same thing with his Bronco--gave a >hi-beam offender a shot of the KC HiLiters that is. The oncoming >vehicle responded with a light show of his own--activating the pretty >red and blue flashing "Federal Sign and Signal" lights located on his >own light bar. Great story Jeff. I had my own encounter with a Bronco but I'm convinced my guardian angel was driving that one that day. Coming down the mountains on I-5 trying to reach Seattle, this is the 4th day of travel from Michigan, it's raining, very dark, my VW's lights are weak, the lines on the road are faded and the road is getting twisty. I'm about to give up as I'm having a hard time seeing where I'm going when a Bronco passed me, gets in front of me and FLASH!!! Daylight in front of the Bronco! Huge grin on my face, followed the Bronco all the way down and arrived at my new home safely. Carlos 91 M3 needs some Hellas badly, fog lights gone, brake ducts instead. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:56:10 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: WTB E30 M3 front bumper >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:53:23 -0600 >From: "Jason Lile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] WTB E30 M3 front bumper > >Alrighty... >I'm making one, last, feeble plea for an E30 M3 front bumper. I need a >complete assembly, but I'll take any used parts that you might have (rebar, >fog lights, cover, etc.). This is my last ditch effort before coughing up >the big bucks for a new, complete bumper assembly :( Thanks for any help. > >- ----------------------------------- >Jason Lile >Zionsville Autosport >"BMW Parts Specialists" >1-800-BIMMERS >http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com >Administrator - BMW Parts Digest I hear you can get the bumpers from Jason at Zionsville - HEY, WAIT JUST A DOG GONE MINUTE HERE! Is this a trick question? Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:10:39 -0600 From: "Jason Lile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: WTB E30 M3 front bumper > >Alrighty... > >I'm making one, last, feeble plea for an E30 M3 front bumper. I need a > >complete assembly, but I'll take any used parts that you might have (rebar, > >fog lights, cover, etc.). This is my last ditch effort before coughing up > >the big bucks for a new, complete bumper assembly :( Thanks for any help. > > > >- ----------------------------------- > >Jason Lile > >Zionsville Autosport > >"BMW Parts Specialists" > >1-800-BIMMERS > >http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com > >Administrator - BMW Parts Digest > > I hear you can get the bumpers from Jason at Zionsville - HEY, WAIT JUST A DOG > GONE MINUTE HERE! Is this a trick question? > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA #44977 Hey, don't laugh... now that I know how hard they are to find, the next person that buys one from me is *REALLY* gonna pay ;) - ----------------------------------- Jason Lile Zionsville Autosport "BMW Parts Specialists" 1-800-BIMMERS http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com Administrator - BMW Parts Digest - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Radar detector technology Moe Drippins writes: >> With the V1, you can actually pick up signals >> [from instant-on] from miles away. > > How does it do this; is it just more sensitive? That would be the figurative "miles"... I'd have to dig out the old C&D tests to tell you real numbers, but they're substantially higher than all the other detectors out there. Generally, detectors are best at picking out X band, then K band, then Ka, then laser. This is because (I'm assuming) of the frequency range with each of these. X has a narrower range than K which has a narrower range than Ka. Laser is a different ballgame entirely (light, narrow beam, etc.). Valentine uses a super-duper (for lack of a better term) antenna to pick up the signals. If I recall my product literature correctly, it uses two such antennas in the front, and one in the back. Laser is picked up with some sort of photosensitive device. The other reason the V1 is so sensitive is its circuitry. It's powerful enough to scan all the bands simultaneously. Some detectors (especially Escort cordlesses) only scan the frequencies every once in a while (2-3 times a second, depending). Lesser detectors like this will miss an X band signal if they're using their power to scan the wide Ka band when the X signal comes in. Hope this helps explain it! KC Boyce '85 325e E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:20:59 -0800 From: Aleksandr Milewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe At 08:46 -0500 on 000315, Gary Derian commanded the electrons to create a missive titled "Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe": |I agree with Andy. There is no way a 240 hp car will be as fast as the same |car with 321hp. Define faster. 0-60? Hell yes. Acceleration is about torque, not power. Top speed, of course not. Top speed is about power, not torque. |Gearing helps but not that much. Look, the Euro car is factory rated at 5.4s, the US car is rated at 5.1s. Gearing helps. |The difference will be |more noticeable at higher speeds, and the 240 may be plenty fast below 80 |mph but the 321 hp will be lots faster. The Euro engine also has more |torque at lower rpm. From what I can figure, the Euro car (and it's 316hp, at least according to my figuring (236kW = 316hp) is about 10% stronger across the board, and has a lower (!) torque peak. (3250 vs. 3800rpm) Comparing 316/321hp to 240hp is a little deceptive, though, since the Euro motor makes max power at 7400rpm, and the US motor makes max power at 6000 and redlines at 6500. (The limiter is a 6800) Does anyone with a Euro car know what redline is? If you assume that the Euro motor's torque curve is flat between 6k and 7.4k (a questionable assumption, but it's all I've got), then the Euro motor is only making 256hp at 6000rpm. |The only time the 321 hp won't be faster is when both cars are traction |limited. That might be up to 30 mph. The high power car will be traction |limited to a higher speed With the same gearing, this is true. Change the gearing (as BMW did for the US) and all bets are off. |Of course a spinning tire has less traction than a non-spinning one so |proper driving techniques are necessary to get max performance. Granted. Though the combination of an idiot and ASC is a fair approximation of proper driving techniques in a straight line. I really want the Euro motor and the US gears...but I'll be patient. Soon enough the new motors will be in the hands of those who have enough money to replace their slammed Hondas with M3's (which come from the factory with clear corners...what a bonus!), which in turn will make those motors available through your friendly neighborhood recycler. - -Zandr - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Aleksandr Milewski BMWCCA #166568 SysAdmin, 530i.org '95 540i/6spd [EMAIL PROTECTED] '00 740i Sport Ben Lomond, CA '00 M Coupe ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #447 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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