[uucdigest]         Wednesday, March 15 2000         Volume 03 : Number 449



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       [uuc] Re: Carbotech Panther pads for E36 M3
       Re: [uuc] Radar Detecting Through M5 Logo. (WOB)
       Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe
       Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe
       [uuc] Radar Detecting Through M5 Logo.
       [uuc] FWD car with wheelie bars!
       [uuc] FS: Borla  exhuast
       [uuc] Re:Heathkit and  V1
       [uuc] <MISC> BMW Rover latest news
       [uuc] Dream States
       [uuc] <E30 > Bilstein Shocks, Suspension Questions

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:38:14 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] Re: Carbotech Panther pads for E36 M3

"These pads are highly recommended by me.  I am currently using the Panther's
up front and in the rear the lower-temp green "kelated-metallic" Carbotech's
on my Z3 coupe.  They have awesome grip/modulation ratio; a bit dusty and
occasional squeal for everyday use.  Max trailbraking is a cinch with them;
makes you look like a pro.

M Sipe"

I'll second this opinion, although I don't have anywhere near the experience of
Mr. Sipe.  I put these on my '95 M3 in preparation for driver's school at
Sebring, and once I learned how to brake at the track, they were awsome.  Went
three 1/2 hour sessions on Sunday and at the end of the day thay stopped as well
as the first lap.  On the street they work very well when cold, and are even
better when warm, much more stopping power than stock.  Oh yeah, after a weekend
at the track, they looked brand new.  The downside? (There's always a downside.)
VERY dusty IMO, squeal even with generous amounts of goop applied.  A worthwhile
tradeoff for me.

Eric
95 M3
95 325i

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:48:41 -0600
From: Luis Marques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Radar Detecting Through M5 Logo. (WOB)

I don't know where this started, but it's full of misinformation.  I
guess all those radomes they put over radars don't let any radar signal
thru.  It must go around it.  But, wait a minute, aren't radars
typically completely enclosed inside a radome???  Then how does the RF
energy get out???  Or in???  How does the Velentine-1 receive any radar
signals?  There is no exposed antenna!

The answer is they do actually go thru plastic.  In fact, they don't
have much difficulty unless you load the material with some exotic
absorber as in the stealth fighter or bomber.  Radars aren't low
frequency at all.  They are relatively high.  About 10 GIGA Hertz for X
band, over 30 GHz for Ka band.  Wavelengths are inversely proportional
to frequency, so they are small.  Radar definitely won't 'wrap' around a
plastic object, it will go straight thru (although a little weaker). 
Think about the plastic headlamp covers in a late BMW.  Light doesn't
'wrap' around.  The covers are transparent, so light goes straight
thru.  Well, plastic is generally more or less 'transparent' to radar. 
Now, any metallic object, _that_ will cause radar to bounce off
exceptionally well just like a mirror reflects light.

The reasons you can get away with using a mesh for a dish antenna are
that:  1)the mesh is metallic, and 2)the mesh is tight enough (relative
to the wavelength) that effectively no RF energy can leak thru the
holes.  So lower frequency systems can get away using a light mesh, but
high frequency systems need a tighter mesh (or solid metallic surface). 
You can paint them all, it doesn't change much of anything.  The
thickness of the paint is just a small fraction of the wavelength and,
like plastic, is more or less transparent to radar; the signal will
bounce off just the same from the metallic surface below.

So, in summary, radar won't have much trouble going thru plastic, as
long as it's not nickel or chrome plated (or any other metal).  If it
is, it will bounce right back and you won't receive anything at the
other side.

- -Luis Marques
'97 328i



"Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Alex:
> 
> Radar waves are very low frequency and high wavelength waves and are
> able to 'wrap' around small obstacles easily the wave visible light
> (the same electro-magnetic radiation) cannot.  
> 
> This is why dish antennae can be made of either mesh or matte finish
> painted surfaces, but mirrors cannot.  In the case of dish antennae,
> this is kind of cool (no pun intended) because you can focus the
> satellite signal without focussing the heat and frying the electronics
> at the receiver!
> 
> For a sound related analogy think of bass and how omni-directional it
> is and treble and how directional it is.
> 
> So, the radar is not going through the plastic (it most certainly
> cannot), but around.  To go through plastic you would need x-rays
> (very high frequency very short wavelength) that would go in between
> the molecular spaces(?).

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:37 -0800
From: Aleksandr Milewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe

At 15:18 -0600 on 000315, you commanded the electrons to create a 
missive titled "Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe":
|On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Aleksandr Milewski wrote:
|> Per bmw.de vs. bmwusa.com, the Euro car does 0-62 in 5.4, the US does
|> 0-60 in 5.1.
|
|I vaguely recall that this was due to the fact that to actually reach
|100 km/h in the Euro car required a shift to 3rd, which was not
|required to reach 60 in the US car -- i.e. gearing again.  Of course,
|I could be wrong....

Probably not. I can't find the Euro gearing online anywhere, but the 
Euro gearing is supposed to be taller, and the Euro redline is 
higher. I have to believe that the Euro car is capable of 60 in 2nd.

- -Zandr
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Aleksandr Milewski                                     BMWCCA #166568
SysAdmin, 530i.org                                      '95 540i/6spd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                                     '00 740i Sport
Ben Lomond, CA                                            '00 M Coupe

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:50:21 -0500
From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe

I know from experience that many cars seem to top out in 2nd right at 60.  I
assume they're designed that way to minimize that 0-60 time.  It would seem
likely that BMW would build it's cars for that 0-100km dash so they wouldn't
require that shift but perhaps that says something about market targeting.
Does it say we're the more important market or does it say Germans know a
good car when they see one without dwelling on drag racing times?

Note that my '91 M5 was good for a few above 60 in second.  Perhaps that was
to make it quick to 100km/hr?  Might be a clever way to make a distinction
between it and lesser cars that were nearly as quick.

Geeeze
http://patdonahue.com/forsale

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From: "Jefrem Iwaniw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Aleksandr Milewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe


> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Aleksandr Milewski wrote:
> > Per bmw.de vs. bmwusa.com, the Euro car does 0-62 in 5.4, the US does
> > 0-60 in 5.1.
>
> I vaguely recall that this was due to the fact that to actually reach
> 100 km/h in the Euro car required a shift to 3rd, which was not
> required to reach 60 in the US car -- i.e. gearing again.  Of course,
> I could be wrong....
>
> -jefrem
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:31 -0500
From: "Joe G. Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Radar Detecting Through M5 Logo.

There is a lot of wrong or misapplied information here.  Rather than
launching into a pedantic lecture, I simply ask you to consider the
following:  You can receive radio and radar signals inside your home
and car, so they are clearly capable of penetrating glass, wood and
plaster.  Why would you expect plastic to behave differently?

Radar signals will easily penetrate plastic, but the plastic (or any
dielectric material) will induce a phase shift.  If only part of the
antenna is covered by plastic, the phase-shifted signal can combine
with the in-phase signal and create a cancellation effect.  Having
said that, I doubt that the M5 badge in question is thick enough to
cause this problem.

If the badge is metallized, it will block most of the signal in the
area it covers.  It would be unusual for this to be desirable.

- -- Joe Thompson

> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:35:36 -0500
> From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [uuc] Radar Detecting Through M5 Logo.
>
> Alex:
>
> Radar waves are very low frequency and high wavelength waves
> and are able to 'wrap' around small obstacles easily the wave
> visible light (the same electro-magnetic radiation) cannot.

[Snipped]

> So, the radar is not going through the plastic (it most
> certainly cannot), but around.  To go through plastic you
> would need x-rays (very high frequency very short wavelength)
> that would go in between the molecular spaces(?).
>
> Neil Deshpande
> 1988 325 iS
> 1989 325 iC

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:25:31 -0800 (PST)
From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] FWD car with wheelie bars!

 I recall someone awhile back ranting about how you might even spot
wheelie bars on a spiffed-up Honda Civic.  I too smirked at the
thought.  Then I saw Horsepower TV on TNN last weekend - they had a
piece on FWD drag racers.  These are the cars that that your local
coffee-can tailpipe crowd aspires to emulate.
 I was duly impressed.  A FWD Honda running the quarter at just under
10 seconds.  Those wheelie bars are there for a reason!  They keep
weight from shifting off the drive wheels.  One guy even had smart
bars that practically jacked the rear wheels off the pavement for
takeoff, then lifted themselves up at speed for greater stability.
 Weird lookin', but pretty amusing nonetheless.

- --
  John Bolhuis  | "In America it is not considered to be mentally ill
 bolhuijo       | when a woman advances on her prey in a discotheque
  @bolhuijo.com | setting with hardy cocktails present."
                |                                      -Madonna

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:33:50 PST
From: "Tim Gergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] FS: Borla  exhuast

I have a Borla exhaust for sale off of my 95 M3. Exhaust was bought from TMS 
about one year ago and is in excellent condition except for a few minor 
dings on the tips (read: small dings).

I am selling the car and thus all aftermarket parts must go first.

I have had several interested parties inquire about the exhaust, but no 
committed buyers as of yet.  Therefore, it is still for sale!

First $350 takes it...new was over $550.

E-mail me if interested as I am a bit too busy to check the digest this 
week.  Tim Gergen -- 95 M3 -- for now.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:35:46 -0500
From: Chris Skene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re:Heathkit and  V1

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>Subject: [uuc] [WOB]Heath Kit (was Re: first radar detector)
>
>Jeff B. wrote:
>>
>>Don, Please don't say it was that Heathkit type crap. SNIP(I
>>think they all went out of business by the mid 70's)
>
>Heath Kit <http://www.heathkit.com/> is still in business though
>their primary focus has changed to training PC technicians. They were
>still doing kits in the early 90's though--I stopped in at one of
>their stores at that time.
>
>I used a Heath Kit audio amplifier--originally built by my Uncle and
>"serviced" by me for years. Okay, it wasn't (quite) up McIntosh or
>Crest Audio standards, but it worked just fine--bench and "ear"
>tested better than a lot of the "modern" stuff available in the early
>80's. (Certainly much better than anything I could afford at the
>time--I think I was 12 when I took possession.) I later passed it
>along to someone in need and as far as I know it's still going strong.

        I was thinking of building a Heathkit power amp to use with 
my first electric guitar way back. My now late father, former RAF and 
RCAF bomber pilot during WWII (the Second World War as we say in 
Canada) asked me if I knew what the first Heathkit was.
        Guess what - the Heath Parasol, a homebuilt aircraft kit. I'm 
not sure whether it was pre- or post-war. Dad flew one and thought it 
was just fine. I don't think it used a BMW engine...
        I decided to save my pennies and bought a Fender amp at 
wholesale and tax-free through the NATO airbase PX in Europe. Wish I 
could still do that with such things as cars... My father did.

        On topic - I bought a Super Snooper radar detector in the 
early 70's from a local auto parts store. I clipped it on the 
passenger sun visor in my '70 911E. It did sort of work, until, when 
going for a ride, my mother decided to lower the visor and snapped 
off the the protruding plastic probe from the unit against the 
windshield. Actually, it continued to work, so I think the probe was 
window dressing.
        I've since moved from a 70 P car to a 72 2002 (it took 30 
years), and from a Super Snooper to a V1. The V1 works - period, and 
I don't have the latest software. Anecdotes and installation 
suggestions on request.

Burn this message before reading.
C

PS - Detectors are illegal in Ontario. Detector detectors don't 
detect my detector.
- -- 
Chris Skene
For voice services check http://skene.org/chris
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Subject: [uuc] [WOB]Heath Kit (was Re:
first radar detector)<br>
<br>
Jeff B. wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Don, Please don't say it was that Heathkit type crap. SNIP(I<br>
&gt;think they all went out of business by the mid 70's)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Heath Kit
&lt;http://www.heathkit.com/&gt; is still in business though<br>
their primary focus has changed to training PC technicians. They
were<br>
still doing kits in the early 90's though--I stopped in at one of<br>
their stores at that time.<br>
<br>
I used a Heath Kit audio amplifier--originally built by my Uncle
and<br>
&quot;serviced&quot; by me for years. Okay, it wasn't (quite) up
McIntosh or<br>
Crest Audio standards, but it worked just fine--bench and
&quot;ear&quot;<br>
tested better than a lot of the &quot;modern&quot; stuff available in
the early<br>
80's. (Certainly much better than anything I could afford at the<br>
time--I think I was 12 when I took possession.) I later passed it<br>
along to someone in need and as far as I know it's still going
strong.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>I was
thinking of building a Heathkit power amp to use with my first
electric guitar way back. My now late father, former RAF and RCAF
bomber pilot during WWII (the Second World War as we say in Canada)
asked me if I knew what the first Heathkit was.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Guess
what - the Heath Parasol, a homebuilt aircraft kit. I'm not sure
whether it was pre- or post-war. Dad flew one and thought it was just
fine. I don't think it used a BMW engine...</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>I
decided to save my pennies and bought a Fender amp at wholesale and
tax-free through the NATO airbase PX in Europe. Wish I could still do
that with such things as cars... My father did.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>On
topic - I bought a Super Snooper radar detector in the early 70's
from a local auto parts store. I clipped it on the passenger sun
visor in my '70 911E. It did sort of work, until, when going for a
ride, my mother decided to lower the visor and snapped off the the
protruding plastic probe from the unit against the windshield.
Actually, it continued to work, so I think the probe was window
dressing.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>I've
since moved from a 70 P car to a 72 2002 (it took 30 years), and from
a Super Snooper to a V1. The V1 works - period, and I don't have the
latest software. Anecdotes and installation suggestions on
request.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div align="center"><font size="+2" color="#FF0000"><u><b>Burn this
message before reading.</b></u></font></div>
<div>C</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>PS - Detectors are illegal in Ontario. Detector detectors don't
detect my detector.</div>

<div>-- <br>
Chris Skene<br>
For voice services check http://skene.org/chris</div>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:07 GMT
From: "John G.Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <MISC> BMW Rover latest news

It seems BMW will keep Land Rover, the Mini and the MGF but
will dump the saloon production at Longbridge. Three
directors BMW directors who don't agree with the plan are
rumoured to have been fired.

Personally I think they're making the best out of a bad job.
Longbridge will cary on with new British owners.

- --
Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-)   
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland
Web  : http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk - The Ultimate BMW Homepage!

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:12:03 -0800
From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Dream States

John,

Only a thousand womenz. No....... different dream.


- -Kevin

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:14:34 -0800
From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <E30 > Bilstein Shocks, Suspension Questions

Eric Ingraham and I have been having a running discussion (is it still a
"discussion" when it is e-mail?) about Bilstein shocks/struts for E30s.  The
issue, to summarize from an earlier post, was whether the M3 and non-M3 E30s use
the same, or different, shocks and struts.  I was misled by the BMP catalog,
which lists the same stock numbers for both cars.  Eric contacted Bilstein
(doh!, why didn't I think of that?) and came up with the answer, for which I
thanked him profusely and offered him beer, assuming, of course, that he is of
legal drinking age.  OK, here goes:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Here's the final word:

1) E30 325i Sports are 16mm shorter than HDs.

2) E30 M3 Sports are 16mm shorter than HDs.

3) Rear shocks are the same for each car, HD or Sport.

(B36-2028 HD, B36-2027 Sport)

4) Early E30s had a 45mm O.D. strut housing, and use smaller shock
inserts.

(P30-0128 HD, P30-0334 Sport)

5) 325i's, 325is's, and M3's use a 51mm O.D. strut housing, and can accept
a larger shock insert.  However, the earlier (smaller) strut insert will
also work.

(P36-0136 HD, P36-0335 Sport)

BTW, the first two numerical digits of the part number have something to
do with the shock/rod diameter.  Not sure if they are it exactly though
(in mm).

That all make sense?  The real sticking point is that the later cars *can*
accept the earlier strut insert, which is what mail order places usually
will sell you.  However, the later, larger shock is the one you really
want.  Conversely, the earlier cars can only accept the smaller shocks
(P30s).

If you press the boot in on the early vs. later shocks, you can
really feel the difference in shaft diameter.  I did this between the
first set I got and the second set.  Big difference.

Now, as far as ride height goes, I think this proves that it is only
preferable, but NOT critical, that you use Sports for lowered springs.
Next question (in order to beat this discussion into the ground) is how
the stock M3 ride height compares to the stock 325i ride height.  Since
there are way too many variables to determine a statistically valid
answer, I would say that perhaps shock rod length is a guideline at best.

Eric

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So apparently I could get away with keeping my HDs and installing the M3
springs, which some Digestors said they have done and like.  While this would
keep the cost down, my preference would be to get the Sports, which will push
back my target installation date while I come up with the cash.  Then there is
the matter of front camber.  Keep my offset upper strut bearings?  Get
adjustable camber plates?  (More $$$ here again.)  If I knew lowering with M3
springs would push camber past neg 2 degrees, I'd reverse the offset upper
bearings to get back to my target, which is between 1.5 and 2 degrees negative.

This would not be so complicated if I wanted to experiment.  But I only want to
do this once.  Oh well.

And then Steve, the same guy that "sold" me the springs, offered me his old M3
sway bars, too, for a rediculous price.  Now, everyone says the front attachment
point is different for an M3 than on a plain 325i, but Steve thinks the bars are
pretty much the same shape, and that the difference is in the end links.  Anyone
know for sure?

Now all I need to do is get the rest of my parts (spring perch pads?, what
else?) and schedule an installation date.  This should be fun.

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA #44977
1990 325i/isH

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