[uucdigest] Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 03 : Number 450 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Pros and Cons on Coilovers [uuc] <E28> Lighting [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale [uuc] M motors, east and west Re: [uuc] M motors, east and west Re: [uuc] radar detectors [uuc] Big Jim [uuc] re:carbotech panthers Re: [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale [uuc] Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 [uuc] Re: duPont Registry WOB Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe [uuc] Re: <E30> Shocking Suspension Questions [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #446 [uuc] Thanks to all for info on V1 and other detectors!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:34:10 PST From: "Manuel Paredes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Pros and Cons on Coilovers I was in a perfomance shop yesterday and saw an HR coilover set. From what I understood this system is soft enough to absorb road distortions and yet strong enough to support spirited or agressive driving. I would love to hear some comments from people who have these on their cars. Are they worth all the $$$?? They are more expensive than the Bilstien/HR set up but if they are better performance wise I might think of buying them. Thanks!! Manuel Paredes 95 325i sharked, x-ed, M3mflrd L.A. BMWCCA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:33:01 -0800 From: Shiv Sikand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> Lighting Hi, Anybody using the Hella 71156 and 71456 headlamps in their E28's ? Do the Hella Xenon 78117 and 78150 bulbs work well with these lamps ? Thanks, Shiv '88 M5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:41:43 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale Not to be rude (but I will) If you find someone to pay you a $100,000.00 or that car let me know, I have a big red bridge in San Francisco to sell them! Brian Jacobs 98 318ti 99 Z3 coupe Everglades CCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:01:39 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M motors, east and west Aleksandr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]>) writes: > Look, the Euro car is factory rated at 5.4s, the > US car is rated at 5.1s. Gearing helps. Certainly. Broadly the test results are about even - still, not a bad result at all by the drivetrain department. Bear in mind that European times quote 0-62.1 mph (100 km/h), which apparently does make quite a difference. > From what I can figure, the Euro car (and it's > 316hp, at least according to my figuring > (236kW = 316hp) 316 hp (SAE) but 321 bhp (DIN) is the quoted figure, relevant to the markets in which is it sold. Perhaps kW should be used across the board? (My word, never thought I'd find myself saying that). > Does anyone with a Euro car know what redline is? The redline is 7,400 rpm, where maximum power is produced; the rev-limiter is set at about 7,700 rpm. I've seen the former, but not experienced the latter. > I really want the Euro motor and the US gears... > but I'll be patient. Perhaps the final drive will be different, but the gearbox the same this time. Also note that the new M3 will have ASC, whereas the 236 kW M3 did not have ASC+T, even as an option. Whether this was limited by technology or the marketing department, I don't know. Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:18:55 -0800 From: Aleksandr Milewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] M motors, east and west At 11:01 +1100 on 000316, you commanded the electrons to create a missive titled "[uuc] M motors, east and west": |Aleksandr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]>) writes: | |> Look, the Euro car is factory rated at 5.4s, the |> US car is rated at 5.1s. Gearing helps. | |Certainly. Broadly the test results are about even - still, not a bad result |at all by the drivetrain department. Bear in mind that European times quote |0-62.1 mph (100 km/h), which apparently does make quite a difference. If you assume acceleration is linear, it's a 5.22 0-60. Acceleration isn't linear, though, so the Euro car might well be faster to 60. I just had this conversation on another list, and I caught it there, but not here. Oops. |316 hp (SAE) but 321 bhp (DIN) is the quoted figure, relevant to the markets |in which is it sold. Perhaps kW should be used across the board? (My word, |never thought I'd find myself saying that). So the related question is, are the kW ratings net (like US specs are required to be) or gross? |The redline is 7,400 rpm, where maximum power is produced; the rev-limiter |is set at about 7,700 rpm. I've seen the former, but not experienced the |latter. Hmmmm... And the new motor turns to 7900? Hmmm.... |> I really want the Euro motor and the US gears... |> but I'll be patient. | |Perhaps the final drive will be different, but the gearbox the same this |time. Also note that the new M3 will have ASC, whereas the 236 kW M3 did not |have ASC+T, even as an option. Whether this was limited by technology or the |marketing department, I don't know. And final drive I can change. BTW, my M Coupe has ASC. (And the US spec 2000 2.8 Coupes have DSC) - -Zandr - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Aleksandr Milewski BMWCCA #166568 SysAdmin, 530i.org '95 540i/6spd [EMAIL PROTECTED] '00 740i Sport Ben Lomond, CA '00 M Coupe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:19:40 -0400 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] radar detectors At 9:46 AM -0500 3/15/2000, Cagann, Alexander wrote: >I am fully aware of the greatness of the V1. However, I would be very >pleased if Mike would make a V1 that you could integrate into the car like >the old K40 unit I have.....with the box in the front grill and little >display above the steering wheel. I know the V1 has the remote display, but >you still have to have the unit hanging inside the car. I'm anal with >respect to having the interior organized neatly. I asked them the same thing. I'd love to have a stealth detector. I was told it wouldn't be as effective as what the V-1 is now and Mike won't compromise the effectiveness. But I wish it came with some carrying case. ...steven ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:20:44 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Big Jim Hey You Guyz, Notice that now that Jim C is married? we don't get his curmudgion comments any more? Man I miss the Big Guy. Ain't it just like marriage to screw up the "Club". - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:29:27 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] re:carbotech panthers I would have to respectfully disagree regarding these pads for Sebring. I went through a new pair of panthers at Sebring winterfest friday to sunday. Inboard pads were metal on metal at the last run on Sunday - I stupidly had disabled the wear sensors because I was to lazy to make them fit. Outboard pad had about 1/4" - inboard pad 0.0" and they bent in a U-shape. Had to use the runoff before the hairpin on the last lap of the last session in a 318ti. If you talk to the guy who makes and sells the pads, a very nice fellow by the way, he will tell you he does not recommend them for endurance use at Sebring. He has some other pads he feels are better for Sebring - don't remember the name. Put some Jurids in till the next school. Just some food for thought, but then I was really "using" the pads. They do stop well, but at $125 bucks or so you should bring an extra pair and I would dig out enough of the pad material so that you can make the stock wear sensor fit for a safety margin. Won't do that again - didn't expect the inboard pad to have so much more wear than outboard. Bart H. 318 Club Sport for track 325iC 325iA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:35:30 -0800 From: Jim Ochi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale At 06:41 PM 3/15/00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Not to be rude (but I will) If you find someone to pay you a $100,000.00 or >that car let me know, I have a big red bridge in San Francisco to sell them! > >Brian Jacobs >Everglades CCA Hey, hey, hey - leave our bridge alone!! Since you're in the Everglades chapter, maybe you should try selling a theme park designed around a mutant rodent and his flash-frozen creator... :-) Jim Ochi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:43:44 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 >From Auto Express in the UK (see www.autoexpress.co.uk for the whole story): 15/3/2000 - BMW has been thrown into turmoil after company bosses ordered that the next generation 3-Series Compact must be ditched and replaced by a small sports car, labelled the Z2. According to insiders at the German firm, managers at the highest level are unhappy about the costs and performance of the new Compact. The car was due to be launched early next year, but the top brass have called for feasibility studies on making a smaller, sportier car to rival the forthcoming Mercedes SLA. The death knell sounded for the next Compact after BMW's management board drove the new model during winter testing shortly before Christmas. With the car only months away from launch, no problems had been anticipated, but insiders claim the board was far from impressed, and immediately ordered a rethink. The main problem was with the manner in which the car drives. Based on the chassis of the current 3-Series, it was certainly refined, but not considered sufficiently sporty to attract younger buyers. Larger bodywork also meant the new Compact was 150kg heavier than the current car, blunting the entry-level 1.8-litre engine's already weak performance. ... The project - dubbed E46/5-S within BMW - is set to become the Z2 and will be ready to launch in the autumn of 2002. To reduce costs, it uses the platform and engines of the axed Compact, which fixes the wheelbase, engine mounting points and windscreen position. In spite of this, a team led by the Z9 concept's designer, Chris Bangle, has succeeded in making the Z2 look stunning, either as a practical 2+2 coup� or a two-seat roadster. The chassis will be tuned to give sporty responses, in an attempt to counter criticism that BMW has become too staid, and attract younger buyers back to the fold. In another cost-conscious move, engines were taken off the shelf, but still promise lots of performance potential. The cheaper models will be powered by the new generation of four-cylinder motors built in the UK and shared with Rover. A 2.3-litre unit from the facelifted 3-Series will also be offered, and a 2.0-litre turbodiesel will be sold in some markets, but not the UK. Later in the car's life, BMW's M-Sport division will get its hands on it, and the result is sure to worry even Porsche - a 2.2 four-cylinder engine is planned, giving 240bhp. "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:12:41 -0500 From: "Tim Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: duPont Registry WOB >>A Supersprint exhaust improves sound, but also added over 50 hp >>and 60 ft./lbs. of torque, giving it a total output of over 350 hp and 385 >>ft./lbs.! Uh, yeah, right. "Over 50 HP" from an exhaust. Gee where can I get one. Tim T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:53:33 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe I don't have actual numbers for BMW's. I've done a pretty complete analysis on other cars, including rotational inertia, so I was making some generalizations to illustrate a point. A P-car for instance with high rear weight bias, or a 4wd will be able to use a lot more power. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > |Gary - nice summary, saying about what we were saying - 0-60 times > |(realistic US use) will be very simular or the same.. > | > |BTW - have any numbers for the original subject vehicles? M-Coupes?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:14:24 -0800 From: Randy Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <E30> Shocking Suspension Questions Scott D Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I am contemplating upgrading the springs and shocks on my 1990 >> 325i. A fellow club member (only 3 miles from my house, no less!) >> offered to sell me his used E30 M3 stock springs at a price I >> cannot refuse. Of course, I need shocks/struts to match. I've >> been happy with Bilstein Sports in the past (E24, E28), so I >> thought that is the way I'd go. The car currently has 325is >> springs (stiffer, not shorter than 325i springs) and Bilstein >> HDs from my previous car, a 1987 325is (R.I.P.). >> >> Conventional wisdom (often being neither conventional nor wise) >> says that the HDs are for cars that are at or very near stock >> ride height, while the Sports are for cars that have been lowered >> oh, say more than 3/4 of an inch. Thus my assumption was that >> the Sports would be the way to go. >Scott, alex f wrote: >FWIW, a local very fast autocrosser has been running his E30 M3 with >Bilstein HDs for years. So HDs definitely work with stock E30 M3 springs. >If they are better or worse then Sprots, I can't say. >alex f Scott again: >Hi Mike, thanks for the report. Opinion is running about 50/50 right now to >either go with Sports or stay with HDs. I know I would not be unhappy with >Sports. I'm having mixed feelings here. > >Point: Get the Sports. Just do the whole job one time. >Counterpoint: Jane, you ignorant slut. Oh wait, wrong counterpoint. >Counterpoint: Save money. > >The jury is still out. Plus, there is still the question as to whether the >shocks/struts for the M3 are different, or the same, as the rest of the E30 >line. Some vendors list them as the same part number, others list different >part numbers. >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA #44977 >1990 325i/isH Scott, i've run the E30 M3 springs temporarily on my 89 325is with Bilstein Sports, and i can say with confidence to use the longer Heavy Duty's instead if you intend to run the M3 springs forever and have no intention of eventually upgrading to aftermarket Lowering Springs later on down the road. The only reason i used the Sports with the M3 springs is because i knew the M3 springs would be temporary while i sought more info on E30 Lowering Springs (i was new to E30's then). I later went to H&R Lowering Springs then finally to Ground Control adjustables, and i've had the same Bilstein Sports throughout the spring changes. The M3 springs will only lower your 325i about a half inch all around, (maybe slightly more in front) and that's not enough of a drop to justify the Sports. They should really be used when you go beyond, say, a one-inch drop and i don't suggest them for use with M3 springs. During some autocross runs, it was reported by my VW friends and a few course workers that my Bimmer was pulling the inside rear tire off the ground entering some of the corners on course. The car also had a 22mm RD front swaybar and Kumho race tires on the stock 14" Cross-Spoke wheels. Other than this pulling-the-inside-rear-tire-up situation on the autocross course, the Sports caused no other problems in street or fast canyon driving other than feeling a little too firm for the relatively soft M3 springs. I won't say you absolutely should not use the Sports with the M3 springs, but i'd say the HD's are way more suitable. The valving between the two is supposedly the same, with the Sports being a little shorter at full extension. When i placed them alongside my stock Boges, i seem to remember they were almost two inches shorter at full extension. The part number on my rear Sports is F4-B36-2027-HO (2-pack box). Front: F4-P36-0335-HO (1-pack). The Sports don't extend as far as the stock shocks do so what happened was the soft M3 springs allowed the outside front corner to dip deeply which lifted the opposite corner higher than the Sport would extend, thereby pulling the tire off the tarmac briefly when the shock reached full extension. Everybody was razzing me saying that i just can't break my trademark Volkswagen habit of lifting my inside rear tire in every corner :-) If you're curious about ride height changes, my PhotoPoint BMW Album has captioned pics of the car on various springs (Stock, M3, H&R, & GC :-) Randy Walters 89 325is DSP 85 GTi FSP http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=153582&a=1200064 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:35:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #446 << Ultimate fast? Nope - but dare you to drive the current M-Coupe for long at it's top speed of 135 mph anywhere in the US on public roads.. you'll be slapped in jail real-fast-now.. >> that's why i only do it in short blasts!!! and if i get pulled over,, when asked why were you going 150+ miles per HOUR, i will just explain that i wasnt planning to be out that long. miles per hour. get it??? anyway,, be safe and have fun tommy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:45:46 -0500 From: "Benjamin R. MacRAE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Thanks to all for info on V1 and other detectors!! Wow! It took me an hour to read all the responses to that post!!! Thanks greatly to all who replied, all advice was well taken and the consensus seems to be that one is better off to save up the pennies for a V1 than waste cash on a lesser "detector". Well, since I dont speed anyway, I'll just save up until I can afford a V1 someday, only, of course, for the "cool" aspect, adding to dash clutter, etc....not to actually use it <g>. Heck, I probably wont even plug it in (ha ha).....maybe just buy an empty casing from Mike Valentine for $75 and everyone would think it was the real thing.......ah, the possibilities are endless... Thanks again to all, and Happy Motoring! Ben ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #450 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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