[uucdigest]          Thursday, March 16 2000          Volume 03 : Number 451



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       [uuc] Jim <> Married
       [uuc] taking over M5 list position
       [uuc] Z8 goes for 70K over MSRP
       [uuc] <E30> my 325is purchase(d) (kinda long and dull)
       [uuc] Re: coilovers
       [uuc] <E36> M3? Pros and Cons
       [uuc] <E36M3> Just installed Conforti Intake
       RE: [uuc] Uhhhhgly!
       [uuc] Re:  What Radar Detectors are good other than Valentine One?????

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:56:27 -0700
From: Land Shark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Jim <> Married

Sorry couldn't get a "not equals sign" in the subject
line for y'all.

In reality, Jim C isn't married.. the rumors of my
marriage were good-intended but way premature.

As far as my usual "curmudgeonly comments"..

I'm far too busy working on the Sharkhattan Project
too really have any time for "distractions" like
internet chatter.

If you come to Gateway Tech, you'll see why!

<Dr. Evil 'Muahhh'>

Jim C.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:20:57 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] taking over M5 list position

I have a friend in the D.C. area who has a waiting list position for an M5, 
but is looking to see if anyone would be interested in taking that over.  For 
ALL inquires, please email him: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">steve@fox
racing.org</A>

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:27:32 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] Z8 goes for 70K over MSRP

Did anyone catch the sale on eBay for the Z8?  
<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273416926">htt
p://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273416926</A>
I believe the person had a buyer's order and ended up "selling" the order to 
someone else to take over.  Was watching that auction myself, since I also 
have a signed buyer's order for a Z8, and was thinking that if the demand was 
great enough that I might go ahead and put mine for sale too.  

(I know this is openning up for a potentially long thread, but what the 
heck...)

What are thoughts of the above?  

Thanks,
Glenn

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:48:24 -0500
From: neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <E30> my 325is purchase(d) (kinda long and dull)

OK, first off, allow me to step up to the podium for a moment, and thank
Eric, Scott, Joel, Roland, Chris, Duane, and
Bill, for their useful help (and support). It was greatly appreciated
(and somewhat successful, I might add).
This is what these lists are all about!
Now that the mushy stuff is over, here's the play-by-play of my car
buying adventure....
I get up at 8:30 to let the Roto-Rooter guy in...oh, wait, sorry, wrong
story...lemme try again....
I get up at 8:30, and called my bud Andy, 'cause he wanted to see it,
too.
We motored on over there around 10:00, and got there just as the owner
did. I told him that I wanted to check out the 325is, and that I was
going to take it to my mechanic for an inspection, and then to my
favorite body shop for a body inspection. I expected this to bother him,
but he didn't flinch, but rather merely ask who it was. It turned out
that he knows my mechanic, (and his former boss) and has a lot of
respect for him.
First red flag. It wouldn't start (dead battery). I think that it was
dead because the "security" alarm on the radio never shuts off, and the
car sat for a week.
He jumped started it, and I hopped in to take it away, and he said "You
have your license with you, right?"
"Of course I...ooof!" Left it at home...So we hopped back in the 318i,
and rushed back to get it.
<later>
So we motored along, and I can't check the radio, because the battery
went dead, and wiped the code. Andy fished around in the glove box,
which was empty, save for one tiny scrap of paper, which, of all things,
has the radio code on it. Cool! The radio/tape deck works (doesn't
matter, because I'm putting my Alpine in it this weekend).
<later>
Sam the mechanic had it on the lift, and we poked around under it, and
none of us could believe what we saw. NO LEAKS ANYWHERE! Not a drop. The
engine is c l e a n. Runs well, too. The left ball joint is toast (no
surprise). He did notice that
the driver's door has some rust on it from some prior damage repair (the
front fender was replaced, also).
<later>
My bud Shane the body shop manager poked around, and declared it clean
(my assessment as well).
I wrote all of this down in my Bad Badtz Maru notebook, and took the car
back to Dale (the seller). We talked.
He gave me the you-won't-find-a-car-this-good-for-this-price schpiel.
I told him that it was a great car, but not worth $6700, and pointed out
that I used KBB for work, and know that it over-values everything, that
that price was for a mint condition car, and that it was not worth that
much.
I told him what we found.
He saw my note book, took it, and looked at my notes.
He threw me a look, and then asked me to make him an offer, but not to
offend him.
I said "I'll make an offer, but I think that you'll be offended.".
He said "Try me".
I said "I'll give you $5k for it, right now".
He just shook his head in faux disgust, and said "No way".
I motioned to Andy to leave, and told Dale that I'd get in touch with
him later, when he said "How about $5500?".
"I turned back to him and said " I'm starting to like you more and more,
Dale!"
After a few moments of idle chatter, he spontaneously countered again,
this time at $5300. Yup! $200 less than his last final offer! I said
nothing to prompt this, either.
So I bought it for $5300, or low retail.
I took (paid) time off from work to get it.
I later found out that Dale used to race a Stingray in IMSA and '68
Camaro in Trans Am class, and he had a Mini Cooper.
My wife drove it home, and was freaking, because the torque curve is
wildly different than either of our 318s (plus a smidge more HP than
hers and gobs more than mine).
So, now I'll be asking the same OBC questions that I had ignored until
now (like how do you get it switched over to miles from KM?). Get used
to it.
I'll post photos of it to my web site eventually, but there is one on
the E30 Network page that is nearly identical (except that mine has the
tan leather). The photo's # is 341, but I don't remember the owner's
name.
- --
Do Svedanya!
Neil Hitze
'91 318is   Diamond Black
'87 325is   Bronzit Beige
'85 318i  Cinnarust Red
http://www.hitze.com/~neil

"..the underdog will eventually survive...." --Colin James Hay
   "This is not a step."  --Heywood Banks

Star Trek stuff for sale:
http://www.hitze.com/~neil/startrek/startrekforsale.htm

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:58:34 -0500
From: "James Clay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: coilovers

Manuel wrote:
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:34:10 PST
From: "Manuel Paredes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Pros and Cons on Coilovers

I was in a perfomance shop yesterday and saw an HR coilover set.  From what
I understood this system is soft enough to absorb road distortions and yet
strong enough to support spirited or agressive driving.  I would love to
hear some comments from people who have these on their cars.  Are they worth
all the $$$??  They are more expensive than the Bilstien/HR set up but if
they are better performance wise I might think of buying them.  Thanks!!

Manuel Paredes
95 325i sharked, x-ed, M3mflrd
L.A. BMWCCA
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Personally, I swear by the Ground-Control system.  It is $400 for a front
coil-over using your existing struts/strut housings (if applicable) and an
adjustable-height rear perch.  They do not use progressive springs (that I
know of), but the basic system is excellent for anything from street use to
serious racing, depending on spring choice.  Jay knows his stuff, their
number is in the Roundel.  Check them out before you buy.  The money they
save could be your next set of track tires.

James

http://www.bimmerworld.com
Quality Used BMW Parts
Engineered BMW Performance
(540) 639-9648

Please copy original message text in all correspondences.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:09:34 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] <E36> M3? Pros and Cons

E36 M3 owners, and anyone else in the know:

A friend is considering a 95 E36 M3.  He and I used to race against each 
other in SCCA's Improved Touring in Honda Civics.  He is sharing the Virginia 
International Raceway Club race weekend with me in my 325E L Stock car in 
May.  He's done some World Challenge races, etc., etc.

Point is, he knows cars and how to drive them.

He test drove a 95 M3 today and just about fell in love with it, he says.  
What are some of the pros and cons of this car?  He's planning on daily 
street driving and track instructing.

Thanks,

Carter Hunt

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:57:53 -0500
From: "Bryan Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <E36M3> Just installed Conforti Intake

Finished installing the Turner/Conforti intake last week on my father's
H-prepared LTW.  The car was originally owned and raced by Manny Kruger.
When built it was programed by Jim C. and fitted with a large K&N cone
filter as well as what could have possibly been the first heat shield ever
made, consisting of heat blanket duct taped into the front right corner of
the engine bay.  The car ran fine and the thrown together heat shield served
its purpose, but on such a nice looking (see
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=237665&a=1766106) and nice
driving car, an upgrade was in store.  Not to mention the fact that the foam
filters used in the Jim C. kit flow more air and cleaner air than their K&N
counterparts.

Having already had the Euro HFM installed and since the car lacked cruise
control, I was able to read the directions and complete the install in less
than 15 minutes on my first attempt.  Truly a high quality kit.

Last weekend we took the car to the first testing session for members on the
new track at Virginia International Raceway (let me put in a plug for what
could be the greatest track on the East coast, this track has more elevation
change than Road Atlanta, no concrete barriers, tons of run-off, slow
corners, fast corners, off-camber corners, banked corners, rythym corners, a
cork-screw, perfect asphalt, long straights, a covered false grid, tons of
amenities [plans for a pool, horseback riding, sporting clays, tennie
courts, clubhouse, etc], as well as an amazing history...if you live within
4 hours of the track and haven't been, make the trip NOW and sign up for a
membership while you're there!  No promotional affiliation, just a satisfied
member).  As far as the butt dyno goes, I don't think there was too much
power to gain in an engine already making close to the 100hp/liter mark,
however, the new intake definitely sounds better and looks better in the
engine compartment.

Thanks to Will Turner for taking care of us with the intake.  Hope you guys
do well in the Speedvision races.  We'll be out supporting the bimmers when
the ALMS (with the E46 PTG cars), Speedvision (with the Turner Motorsport
328's), and Trans Am series (word is someone might campaining a Jaguar XKR
against the Vettes, Stangs, and Cameros this year) comes to Charlotte on
March 30-April 1.

- -Bryan Watts
H-prepped CSL #9 or #19

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:38:40 -0600
From: "-A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] Uhhhhgly!

on 3/15/00 9:00 AM, [uucdigest] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:51:04 -0500
> From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [uuc] Uhhhhgly!

[SNIP]

> The upside of the Echo is that I have yet to see one that has
> been performance enhanced (slammed, blacked out, rootie-tootie
> exhaust, 20x10x400 tires and emblemized with green turnsignals
> and blue headlights and the Holland Tunnel exhaust..).
> 
> The downside is that we prolly would steer directly off the road
> from hysteria if we ever DID see one thats been enhanced.
 
May I suggest that you tighten that harness and brace for impact my friends.
I think that just such an ECHO was featured at the Chicago Auto Show,
boasting features such as the availability of TRD parts.

I have yet to see one on the streets but I am certain that slammed ECHOs are
closer than we think (or would hope for???).

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:51:12 -0800
From: Randy Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re:  What Radar Detectors are good other than Valentine One?????

Benjamin R. MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi to all, 
>Valentine One is out of my budget.  No way, cant justify spending $400 on a
>detector.  Not saying that I speed, just would like one for piece of mind;
>yeah, that's it.....<grin>.
 
 As a twenty-year user of high-end detectors,  i agree with everything
everyone else has said about the V1.  I've only had mine for a little over
a year and i'm still impressed with it compared to all my other detectors.
The rearward antenna and directional arrows are the biggest advantages,
among many others.   I would say you can't afford *not* to have one in
these days of ever-increasing radar use.   


>Well, isnt there something else for cheaper, around $100-150 that would
>work *pretty* well?  

 Well any detector is better than none at all,  but the level of protection
will be quite low compared to the you-know-what.  You have to pay
extra attention to your surroundings and be extra alert and only use
the detector as a supplement to your eyes.  Just today i got hit with
Laser on the way to work then again on the way home,  but i had 
already spotted the officer holding the gun up to his eye and had quickly
slowed down before he zapped me.  Had i not been paying attention,
he would have gotten me for sure.   Instead,  he got the guy in the
Toyota who was easing past me in the next lane who was going
about 10 mph faster.   In the morning encounter i was the only
car on the road and he gave me a good long zapping as i came
down the hill but by that time i was only going a few MPH over the
limit.  He did give me a good looking at as i cruised by him, and i 
acted like i was surprised to see him sitting there :-)   You really
have to stay alert and look ahead if you're exceeding the limit.

 Another time i was flying across the desert on a long straight
highway at some seriously high speeds and spotted something
small and black in the distance,  so i slowed it down and sure
enough just as i got it down to legal speeds i got hit with CHP
instant-on Ka band.   Had i not been looking ahead and paying
attention,  he would have nailed me big time.  Not even my
V1 would have saved me in these instances.  All it did was
verify that i wasn't zapped before hauling it down to acceptable
speeds :-)   A $59 detector can do that just as well......

  Check out these sites;  they're heavily V1 biased but can  provide 
some valueable insights on many of the non-Valentine 1 type of  
radar detectors out there,  and how they perform.  

Valentine One user reviews and comparisons to other detectors:
http://www.deja.com/products/at_a_glance/glance.xp?CPID=&PDID=8078&RVRS=&SORT=&uniq=953190626.755499046

Automobile Magazine Detector Article from 1994:
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/pages.cfm?page_id=165

Rating the High-End Detectors from Car and Driver April 97 issue:
http://www.caranddriver.com/FrameSet/0,1350,_sl_NewArticle_sl_0_cm_1633_cm_1348_1_24_cm_00,00.html

List of related Car and Driver tests (detectors, jammers, lidar):
http://www.caranddriver.com/FrameSet/0,1350,_sl_RadarDetectors_sl_1_cm_1777_cm_160_cm_00,00.html

And of course: 
http://www.valentine1.com

 Randy Walters
 89 325is w/V1
 Radar infested So Calif

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