[uucdigest] Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 458 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] The future of Rover (does it exist?) Re: [uuc] That lightbar idea Re: [uuc] Re: new entry-level car Re: Rant.. [uuc] More on Rover Re: [uuc] <E30> M3 Springs Price. [uuc] RE: <OT> Rover... RE:[uuc] <MISC> BMW Rover latest news [uuc] Hoosier writeup for Ft Myers & Meridian SCCA events [uuc] Re: Entry level car - 240D! [uuc] RE: How do I isolate a noisy tappett (lifter) and a ? [uuc] Ford to Buy Land Rover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:37:35 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] The future of Rover (does it exist?) Zachariah ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > Only too true. > It's amazing the billions, (that's with a "B") > that have been simply poured into this venture > with out a single return in 5yrs. Indeed, negative > returns... Yes, I hear this story in the news almost every day, although it's not about Rover :). In all seriousness it may not be a bad thing for Rover to get it over with and fold. Their cars will never be bought in large numbers, no matter how good they are. And the 75 is very good - it's (obmwc) BMW quality, certainly. But in Britain, where the car must succeed because of the big fleet markets, the buying public is fickle, badge-frenzied and heavily influenced by eloquent but bitchy, self-denigrating media. There's no way you'll ever get a sales rep - sorry, Business Development Manager - out of his A4 1.6 or 318i and into a Rover. Maybe they ought to stop trying. Of course this means 50,000 jobs being lost, which for many makes the option unthinkable (and certainly leaves me with a nasty taste in the mouth). But the UK is still reasonably cheap as far as skilled labour goes, making it an attractive manufacturing base compared to other European countries, so some employment losses will be reclaimed. Furthermore the retained Land Rover, MG and Mini divisions should expand and provide further employment. Perhaps, even in the medium term, employment prospects might improve for existing Rover staff. I'm no economist and totally unqualified to comment, but it warrants consideration, don't you think? Andy T '87 Rover 213SE (actually a H*nda, but there you go) "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:27:50 EST From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] That lightbar idea I've spent the last couple minutes looking through the variety of things www.galls.com offers. I was sadly disappointed when the "Vehicle Immobilizer" section came up empty. Darn. But, I have been able to find some nifty accessories in the light department. My lightbar idea has now turned into a lightSHOW idea. They have these great lights that mount just behind the windshield and have mirrors that prohibit the light from blinding the driver. And what about those grille mounted lights.... I've got my grill off while I work on the headlights anyway!!! Hmm....too much to think about. Anybody else getting ideas? Group purchase from Galls?! Steve >From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [uuc] That lightbar idea >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) > >Steven Reed asks: > > > Where can I buy a lightbar? It doesn't > > have to be blues and reds. Maybe just > > oranges? > >Try http://www.galls.com > >Or, more specifically, >http://www.galls.com/shop/viewproduct.jsp?catcode=60 > >I've always fantasized about having a nice little blue-and-red lightbar >atop my E30 for traumatizing those left-lane bandits... > > KC Boyce > '85 325e > E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:32:37 EST From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: new entry-level car Aww hell...make it three you crazy bloaks! I seriously doubt...scratch that... BMW will never do this so we can count that off. However, I've been thinking about how neat it would be if I started my own business that modified Bimmers. The market is pretty full already but if this was our claim to fame maybe we could create a niche in the market. Hmm.. and I could install hidden flashing lights in all my projects too! Wow, the gerbil up top is really running now... Steve >From: "John G.Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [uuc] Re: new entry-level car >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:59:09 GMT > > > I've thought about this before.. (not the height thing, but an >entry-level > > car) Why not bring back the E30!! The exterior design is still plenty > >I like the cut of your jib sir! > > > attractive, the interior could be mildly updated to today's ergo specs, >and > >More aerodynamic side winds too. Maybe we could make the >rear window like the M3s ;-) > > > voila, there's the perfect solution! You E30 drivers out there, imagine > > your car, brand new, with even "just" the current 323 2.5L engine, and > >So many choices, so much fun....... >Make mine the new 2.2 240bhp four! > >It must have: > Four round headlights not hidden behind a plastic cover > Optional close ratio six speed (dog-leg?) > Be subtle, no huge spoiler please > No plague of gadgets, the basics will do. > Folding rear seat is handy and doesn't add weight > >I'm only 5'6" :-) I was in the back of a two door '85 320i today >and was surprised how much leg room there was. > > > Anyone else want to start a petition? ;) Long live the E30!! I'd >rather > > have a brand new, updated E30 than an E46! > > > Grant - wanting a brand new 2002 E30-style coupe.. > >That's at least two of us then. > >-- >Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-) >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland >Web : http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk - The Ultimate BMW Homepage! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:49:24 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Rant.. [uuc] More on Rover Don ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > Have you EVER read such a bunch of politically self-serving crap > as this article? And seen as much whining from the people who > are causing the losses (the workers?)?? Nope. I agree with you there. > I particularly loved: >>Keith Bagnall, who has worked at the sprawling Birmingham site for >>more than 30 years, said: "We have been here before and we all know >>that BMW are only interested in the plant at Solihull and the >>profitable Land Rover part of the company." > Hey Keith - get a brain. It's all about profit. Sure - BMW should > loose money on every piece of crap coming out of your plant and make > it up in quantity so your plant can drive BMW profits down to the > point where BMW can't make competitive designs and then BMW will be > exactly where you are. There's no need to take it so personally, Don. And re my post about the quality of the new cars being actually very good... oddly enough the division with quality problems - Land Rover - is the one doing well. As for the remaining line-up, they can't sell them, and if you can't sell you can't make a profit. Add in the spiral of negative, socialist, good-cop-bad-cop press plus political scare-mongering, in-fighting and chest-beating - no-one in their right mind is going to buy a Rover. Besides this guy Keith is probably a shop floor steward and an unreliable commentator, with 30 years' of somewhat emotional memories of employment behind him. > I feel better now.. I should hope so! :) Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:43:38 EST From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E30> M3 Springs Price. I just sold the set of M3 springs I had to a fellow lister. I bought them a few months back thinking I'd use them but my plans have since changed. They were the most mint pair I've ever seen change hands, less than 40k on them. I sold them for $125 which is the high end of what they should go for. Steve >From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] <E30> M3 Springs Price. >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:56:26 -0500 > >Alex: > >I paid $125 for one set and $135 for another. Shipped. Both were bought >from Listers. I've seen used parts' dealers sell them for $200. > >If I were paying $200 and I drove less than the 90% long-distance that I >do, I would go with the H&R sports ($220). Steve Shelton has that setup on >his car and I like it quite a lot. > >Neil Deshpande >1988 325 iS - M3 springs/Bilstein Sports >1989 325 iC - M3 springs/Bilstein HDs > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:01:33 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: <OT> Rover... Felix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > What's the PM driving (or being driven around in?) How about > the Union Leader? and all of these British Journalists? Last I heard, a Chrysler Voyager - that's his own personal transport. For reference the Secretary of State for Transport has two Jaguars. An official one and a personal one. He had one of them converted to LPG after criticisms that he was a hypocritical, socialist fool with all the public sensitivity as a plate of lard (I'm on a roll here, sorry). When my old man used to work for HMG they swapped all their old ministerial 2-litre Vauxhall Carltons for Rover 825 turbodiesels with the boost wound up, to apparently good effect - at least someone had their heart in the right place. God forbid a British journo would be seen at the wheel of a Rover. An Audi is much more "third way" and respectful to our European partners. Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:59:57 -0500 From: Jacob Steijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE:[uuc] <MISC> BMW Rover latest news Ya know, when _I_ try my hand at business and post more than 3 years out of 5, the IRS tells me it was just a hobby and I can't claim a loss at all. Just putting things into _my_ perspective... At 08:20 AM 3/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Only too true. >It's amazing the billions, (that's with a "B") >that have been simply poured into this venture >with out a single return in 5yrs. Indeed, negative >returns... > >*sigh* > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:07 GMT >> From: "John G.Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [uuc] <MISC> BMW Rover latest news >> >> Personally I think they're making the best out of a bad job. >> Longbridge will cary on with new British owners. >> >> - -- >> > It's a beautiful day, let's play two! -- Ernie Banks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:30:41 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Hoosier writeup for Ft Myers & Meridian SCCA events Those of you on Hoosier tires who either won or placed at the Ft. Myer ProSolo2 and Meridian Solo2 National Tour events might be interested on the writeup's appearing on the official Hoosier Tire website at: http://www.hoosiertire.com Just scroll down the screen on the Hoosier homepage and you should see the links to the Hoosier result pages of these events, compliments of Hoosier tire distributor for solo applications, Tom Reichel at Mid-Atlantic Motorsports. I believe Hoosier still has some A3S03 autox radial sizes available at 40% off list. If interested you can reach Tom for pricing and availability at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Sipe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:38:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Entry level car - 240D! Hi everyone, If anybody thinks discussion about revival of the E30 in some form is unrealistic or even silly, that's nuthin'. The 3-pointed star fans have a better idea... Not long ago I owned an E420 (only about a year) and I joined the MBZ mailing list. The hottest thread at the time, and taken _very_ seriously mind you, was about what a great idea it would be for MBZ to reintroduce the 240D (circa '78-'83). Damn thread went on and on and on. I kid you not. The paid-for tooling was the most recurrent case made for the 240D, although I suspect that these guys didn't realize that nobody would buy these lumbering dinausaurs in this modern day and age. Of course, I'd buy a new reformulated E30 over another MBZ anyway, so perhaps I'm as much as a jaded freak as these diesel dorks. Regards, Dave McLaren > Rob wrote: > >The same logic holds that BMW should continue the E36 as that tooling is > >already paid for. In other words, fallacious logic. > Not really that the E36 should continue... only if there was still a > substantial market for the E36, alongside the E46, then yes, keep the E36 > going too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:39:51 -0700 From: Bruce McReynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: How do I isolate a noisy tappett (lifter) and a ? Miles wrote: <snip> noisy lifter, How do I isolate which one is making the noise. Might try using an automotive stethoscope. Can pick one up a Pep Boys, etc. Also useful for listening to various other bearings, etc. Now my question: Small and intermittent leak from water pump. I'm betting on an internal shaft seal. (Have a new one in the boot ready for when it finally gives up the ghost. Got it from Circle Tire. Thanks, Michele. Great price and service.) Any advice on how I should be treating this? Forget about it until it blows? NOTE: 32mm wrench from Park Tools available at bicycle shops for approx. $7 fits fan nut just fine. Is thread on E30 fan nut also backwards? News: Road racing comes to New Mexico! Inaugural open track event April 8-9 and Sandia Motorsports. URL is http://www.sandiamotorsports.com/i Bruce McReynolds Santa Fe - the City Different - NM '88 M3 - evolving '89 635CSi BMWCCA 127260 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:05:08 -0500 From: "Joseph Lerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Ford to Buy Land Rover I copied this from DLJ web site: Ford agrees to buy Land Rover from BMW - sources DETROIT, March 16 (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co. F.N has agreed to buy the profitable Land Rover sport utility unit from German luxury automaker BMW BMWG.F for 3 billion euros ($2.91 billion), acquiring another prestigious name in the global consolidation of the auto industry, sources close to the talks said on Thursday. The deal, which includes BMW's Land Rover Solihull assembly plant in England, will be announced on Friday, sources said. The move would strengthen Ford's hand in the luxury and sport utility segments. Its Premier Automotive Group already boasts the Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lincoln, Mercury and Volvo brands. Ford's board of directors met at noon on Thursday. Ford's deal with BMW comes a year after the U.S. automaker bought the car operations of Sweden's Volvo VOLVb.ST for $6.45 billion. Earlier Thursday, BMW said it would sell the bulk of its money-losing Rover operations to Alchemy Partners, a British venture capital fund, in an abrupt end to the German car maker's costly six-year drive to expand abroad. Neither BMW or Alchemy would reveal financial details. 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