[uucdigest] Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 453 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Exhaust Options [uuc] quick question -Archived tips? [uuc] More on Rover (for those interested) [uuc] Recall on M-Coupe [uuc] mufflers Re: [uuc] More on Rover (for those interested) Re: [uuc] (no) Recall on M-Coupe RE: [uuc] Exhaust Options Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe [uuc] <OT> re: Z8 goes for 70K over MSRP [uuc] Looks like more router problems [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale [uuc] <WOB> Radar Detection Through M5 Logo. I was wrong! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:14:25 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Exhaust Options Bosal and Ansa are *not* in the same league! I've installed Bosal on two cars, both had excellent fit and finish, lasted through salty winters, and sounded great. Both also had larger pipe diameter than stock. For the big six motors, cat-back Bosal systems are well under $300. I will agree that Ansa quickly becomes "ore awaiting reclamation." Stock systems are great, and installed at this point may even outlast the car. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Money, Jack (J.J.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Exhaust Options > First off, ANSA sucks. If you want to replace your exhaust in another year > or so buy this one. It won't survive the salt winters here in the Detroit > area. Second, Bosal is slightly worse than ANSA. Third, buy the stock > exhaust <snip> > Jack Money ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:18:45 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] quick question -Archived tips? Is there an archive where I could search for a question I know has been responded to (many times) in the past? Maybe a FAQ page? Thanks! Owen 'trying-to-keep-redundancy-to-a-minimum' Mangan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:27:14 -0500 From: Allen Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] More on Rover (for those interested) The British car lists are staying on top of this one. Allen <<<snip>>> Subject: some more about the Rover Company By Alan Jones, Industrial Correspondent, PA News The Prime Minister today pledged to do everything he could to safeguard the future of the biggest Rover car plant as fears grew that the factory could close with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs. Union leaders travelled to Munich seeking urgent talks with bosses of German car giant BMW ahead of a crucial meeting of the supervisory board tomorrow which will determine the future of its loss-making British subsidiary. The union leaders were earlier left reeling after a three-hour meeting near Birmingham with Rover chief executive Werner Samann, who refused to spell out the options to be considered by the 22-member company board. Tony Woodley, chief car industry negotiator for the Transport and General Workers Union, warned: "There is no doubt that my instincts tell me we are dealing with the proposed break-up of Rover. "But we are still very much in the dark. It's extremely serious and I am extremely angry at the way this is being played out and there's no doubt in my mind the British workers and people are being treated despicably. We are being used as soft touches." BMW refused to add to its shock statement last night that it had been working on proposals to restructure Rover. The board is expected to issue a statement after tomorrow's meeting and BMW is due to hold a press conference in Munich on Friday. Trade and Industry Secretary Stephen Byers today telephoned BMW chairman Joachim Milberg to stress the importance of Rover to the UK. In the Commons, Tony Blair told MPs the government would do everything possible to safeguard the future of the huge Longbridge plant in Birmingham. The Tories announced that they would be calling an Opposition Day debate on Rover in the Commons tomorrow. They switched a planned debate on housing in an effort to force Mr Byers to the House to explain the situation. Terry Pye, national officer of the Manufacturing Science and Finance union, who was on the union mission to Munich, said BMW's reticence over the future of Longbridge was "completely unacceptable". He added: "Our members are understandably concerned about securing their jobs. BMW's silence does not bode well for the future, so we are demanding to know what the options are." Meanwhile, the European Commission said it was pressing ahead with its inquiry into proposed state aid to Longbridge. A Commission spokesman said the routine investigation had already started and there was no reason to call it off until the situation became clearer surrounding BMW's rethink of its Rover ownership. The Commission is looking into the legality of state aid worth about �150 million. Such funds to industry must be proved not to give one company or sector an unfair competitive advantage in the European market place. An air of despondency hung over Rover's Longbridge plant as workers arrived for their shifts. Workers voiced fears that BMW was about to announce a decision to axe Longbridge's 9,000 employees, a move which would spark off tens of thousands of job losses in the West Midlands components industry. Keith Bagnall, who has worked at the sprawling Birmingham site for more than 30 years, said: "We have been here before and we all know that BMW are only interested in the plant at Solihull and the profitable Land Rover part of the company." The 50-year-old assembly line worker added: "They offer with one hand and take away with the other." Rover has plants at Cowley, near Oxford and Solihull, West Midlands as well as Longbridge. The Birmingham Evening Mail newspaper said in a front page comment, faxed to BMW in Munich: "Sadly, today marks one of the darkest days for Birmingham since the Blitz, with BMW exposed as a cynical opportunist rather than a trustworthy guardian of the Midlands' biggest employer." <<<>>> That last paragraph seemed to be a bit emotional to me. Didn't realize BMW signed on to be a guardian, thought they bought the company to make money.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:48:12 +0000 From: Don Trieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Recall on M-Coupe I test drove an M Coupe last nite and just love the way this car drives. I'm thinking of getting one now but I recall there was a recall for some fuel problem or something else where the dealer cut a hole in the carpet to replace the part? What was the whole situation on this again? TIA Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:52:27 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] mufflers With this talk about stock mufflers...if I was to replace the system on my 88M5, is stock the way to go??? I thought large gains could be had on the S38 if you get a free flow muffler...and, if you can (and I can, I live in Indy) get rid of the cat stuff. When I look through vendor mags, there are no less than one million types of aftermarket exhuast systems available for M3's, NONE for E28 M's. Is there a nice exhaust system made for this car that is reasonable, nice and throaty, and gives a gain (coupled with a Conforti chip and exhaust cam sproket)? Alex Cagann 88///M5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:56:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jefrem Iwaniw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] More on Rover (for those interested) On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Allen Patterson wrote: <snip> > That last paragraph seemed to be a bit emotional to me. Didn't realize > BMW signed on to be a guardian, thought they bought the company to make > money.... That's the socialist European press for you.... - -jefrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:08:11 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] (no) Recall on M-Coupe Don Trieu wrote: > I test drove an M Coupe last nite and just love the way this car > drives. I'm thinking of getting one now but I recall there was a > recall for some fuel problem or something else where the dealer cut a > hole in the carpet to replace the part? What was the whole situation > on this again? not a recall, but a service issue. there are various theories & failure modes, but apparently the Z3 fuel gague has been suspect for quite some time, in roadsters & coupes. my car has (on 3 ocassions in 12k miles) had a glitch where the gauge flips between "F" & "E" several times after filling up, then reads correctly for the rest of the tank. the issue with carpet cutting is that the official BMW service procedure is to make a rather large cut in the carpet behind the passenger seat to get to the fuel sender, then tape the carpet back down when done. There is another way to do it, but not sure what it is. look in the archives on the Z3 message board for more information. I keep records of when I fill up the car & know within a range that i am comfortable with what sort of mileage I get out of a tank (220-240), so the gauge could be completely non-functional & it wouldn't bother me too much, but that's just me. Ben Keyes '99 M coupe '88 M5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:08:36 -0500 From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Exhaust Options Rob writes: <<Bosal and Ansa are *not* in the same league!>> I thought Bosal was the brand that Steve D'G claimed rusted as you watched it. What am I thinking of? Jack, Bosal, Boysan, Boris, Buttkiss, Beancounter....blah blah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:11:52 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Status of S52 Engine in M Coupe Pat Donahue wrote: > I know from experience that many cars seem to top out in 2nd right at 60. I > assume they're designed that way to minimize that 0-60 time. It would seem per a UK M coupe owner, the car will go to ~70 in 2nd gear. does anyone have the actual ratios for the Euro 5 speed (M coupe/roadster) & E36 Euro 6 speed (E36 M3) ?? US E36 M3 & coupe/roadster are all the same. Ben Keyes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:16:25 -0800 (PST) From: "J.L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> re: Z8 goes for 70K over MSRP My best friend is taking delivery of a CL500 next month, and he is in the same situtation. The cars are going for $20k to $40k over MSRP, so it has tempted him to sell it. From what I've heard, a lot of dealers won't allow you to sell the order since they're doing you the *favor* of selling at MSRP, which cuts into their *potential* profits. What you're left to do it to buy the car, pay luxury, gas guzzler, and sales taxes, and then sell it. I'm hoping the dealer will be cool about it and so he can just sell the contract to avoid all these costs, but we haven't contacted the dealer yet (afraid to)...perhaps Steve Diamond can share some advice? Jay L. 98 M3 97 993 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:27:32 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Z8 goes for 70K over MSRP Did anyone catch the sale on eBay for the Z8? <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273416926">htt p://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273416926</A> I believe the person had a buyer's order and ended up "selling" the order to someone else to take over. Was watching that auction myself, since I also have a signed buyer's order for a Z8, and was thinking that if the demand was great enough that I might go ahead and put mine for sale too. (I know this is openning up for a potentially long thread, but what the heck...) What are thoughts of the above? Thanks, Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Looks like more router problems Can't get to the UUC Motorwerks webpage ping www.uucmotorwerks.com ICMP Host Unreachable from gateway nss5-gp.psc.net (198.32.224.254) for icmp from mercury (129.228.59.46) to 61-216.205.61.interliant.com (216.205.61.61) no answer from www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:42:31 -0800 From: "Jerry Chyo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale Brian wrote: > Not to be rude (but I will) If you find someone to pay you a > $100,000.00 or > that car let me know, I have a big red bridge in San Francisco to > sell them! Brian, That car has been for sale forever. I remember seeing it on eBay something like 6 months ago. The price has actually dropped. If memory serves, he was asking $120k then. He made it sound like it was some custom, one-off M5 prototype from BMW of the M5 using a 540iS. I checked back when the auction was supposed to end and surprise! No bids. I think he'll have to drop the price a bit again. Like maybe half? :^) Jerry Chyo '88 M5 - custom for sale for $3,000,000 '72 tii - moe custom, only $1,500,000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:48:55 -0800 From: "Jerry Chyo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: PSEUDo M5 for sale Jim, Boy you Frisco (they hate being called "Frisco") guys are touchy about your bridges. :^). Let him sell the Bay Bridge. Then all those low-life East-bay guys (hi Sherm) won't be able to get in. Jerry Chyo - Bay War Instigator, Monterey Peninsula Chapter '88 M5 '72 tii Jim of stock suspension wrote: > Hey, hey, hey - leave our bridge alone!! Since you're in the Everglades > chapter, maybe you should try selling a theme park designed > around a mutant > rodent and his flash-frozen creator... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:04:02 -0500 From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Radar Detection Through M5 Logo. I was wrong! OK, I guess extrapolating high school physics can take on only so far. As Einstein once pointed out, "Things should only be as simple as necessary and no simpler." I bow to the superior radar knowledge of the men from Raytheon (Luis Marques) and Lockheed Martin (Joe G. Thomson)! They were right in pointing out that radar will pass through some substances easily and not others. If they passed through cars (metal) they wouldn't be much use would they? The mechanism (via electric field or something) is different from x-ray penetration, which is what I knew about. Also, police radar is relatively long wavelength. The frequency sounds high, but the speed of light is high too so this results in high wavelength as compared to the size of an M5 logo. The 30 GHz for Ka band computes to about 10 cm wavelength (since light speed is 300,000 km/s), which is quite a bit larger than the M5 logo. This is why I thought of the wrap around. Basically, stuff much smaller than the 10 cm would be pretty much invisible to the radar. "Seek simplicity and distrust it." Alfred North Whitehead. Neil Deshpande 1988 325 iS 1989 325 iC P.S. Perhaps I should not be admitting this here, but I sometimes find myself enjoying the general engineering discussions on this List more than the BMW-specific ones! 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