[uucdigest] Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 456 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: new entry-level car, was: "Re: [uuc] Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 " Re: [uuc] Re: Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 [uuc] Re: Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 Re: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Tricks (Part ...uh..) was: Re: [E36M3] DYI in your garage...fire alarms et al. [uuc] Re: Willow Springs Website Fw: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Tricks (Part ...uh..) was: Re: [E36M3] DYI in your garage...fire alarms et al. RE: [uuc] Exhaust Options Re: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Tricks [uuc] RE: new entry-level car [uuc] RE: more on the Rover sell-off [uuc] That lightbar idea [uuc] BMW sells Rover Re: [uuc] <WOB> Radar Detection Through M5 Logo. I was wrong! [uuc] <FS> bmw motorsport/ptg springs [uuc] <OT> Rover... [uuc] Re: new entry-level car [uuc] For Sale - E30 M3's and other stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:58:12 EST From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: new entry-level car, was: "Re: [uuc] Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 " Grant wrote: *snippage* "I'd rather have a brand new, updated E30 than an E46!" */snippage* Umm....I've never met this man in my life... *stepping away from poor naive Grant* ;) Steve '87 325iS ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:02:18 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 Oh, I fit in one alright... although if a pretty girl walks by I could probably wave with both hands and still steer the car. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ps - yes I know the original post was meant as a <g> but wanted to add > that the coupe is not entirely un-livable for some of us tall(er) folks. > I think Rob is bitter he won't fit into one ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:39:15 -0500 From: "Dean Boucouras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Compact Axed As BMW Readies New Z2 > Oh, I fit in one alright... although if a pretty girl walks by I could > probably wave with both hands and still steer the car. > > - Rob > Rob, You could do that in just about any car, couldn't you? Dean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:08:08 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Tricks (Part ...uh..) was: Re: [E36M3] DYI in your garage...fire alarms et al. I need to call Allstate and ask about my insurance coverage anyway. Would it be ok if I asked about a group purchase on life insurance policies on Chester? Its only a matter of time and we could all use the money :) Chester Wong wrote: > > Hmmmm...how did you know? <g> ;-) > > Actually, this reminds me of a story..... > > 'Lil Chester making two friend eggs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:11:16 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Willow Springs Website Dan writes, in part (in Digest #455): > ... The guides contain a track map > with detailed descriptions of each turn. Does anybody know whether a > similar > guide exists for Willow Springs? The upcoming Willow Springs driving school > Check out Willow Springs' website at: http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/ Gerry O'Connor BMW CCA - LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:43:53 -0500 From: "Dean Boucouras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Tricks (Part ...uh..) was: Re: [E36M3] DYI in your garage...fire alarms et al. > I need to call Allstate and ask about my insurance coverage anyway. > Would it be ok if I asked about a group purchase on life insurance > policies on Chester? Its only a matter of time and we could all use the > money :) > Count me in. Disability is another good bet (Just kidding Chester). Dean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:18:18 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Exhaust Options Don Eilenberger wrote: >Borla. Look at it and it rusts - which is OK 'cause it also won't >fit correctly. Best used as landfill.. Whoa there Don. I'm not sure which Borla system you're referring to (E28's?) but the M3 crowd loves their Borlas. Both E30 and E36 flavors, after all they are stainless steel. You might be right about the fitment, but mine's OK. - -Carlos 91 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:23:12 -0800 From: Don Cicchetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Tricks Hah! Great story Chester. (hair on fire...) I did the same thing as a teenager, but with a can of Berrymans carb cleaner using the old IV method of hanging up the can, and making the car run on the stuff. Cheapo plastic pipe came off, carb cleaner everywhere, catches fire - whoosh.... Like a fool, I grab the can off the hanger, get Berrymans all over my arms, and throw the can on the lawn and run. Only get my hair toasted fortunately, but by the time the fire was out, (only took a few seconds to hit it with the extinguisher) the harness was toast. Ever completely re-harness a 67 Buick for the price of a tune-up? yeah, now that's capitalism! DC - -- __________________________________________ Don Cicchetti CCA member - guitar player '71 02/M42 "Ingrid" -Beatnik Motor Works- __________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:27:23 -0500 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: new entry-level car "Grant Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: > > I've thought about this before.. (not the height thing, but > an entry-level car) Why not bring back the E30!! [...] > You E30 drivers out there, imagine your car, brand new, with > even "just" the current 323 2.5L engine, and updated ergonomics, > including a cupholder (hehe)... They did exactly that => see Z3 Weight: 2900-lbs Performance: 6.8 secs (somewhere between *yahw* and *hehe*) > My guess is a new E30-based entry-level car would come in > little over 20k.. very affordable! Z3 with 2.5L engine starts around $30K Z3 with 2.8L engine starts around $36K Remember that even the old E30 325i was over $30K new in late 80's. So $36K is pretty good (would be equivalent to 30K with 1.85% inflation rate over the last 10 years). > Plus, I've never heard complaints about E30 headroom.. seems > like enough to me (I'm about 5'9" though..) if you put the > seat down and back. Yep, the headroom is OK ... as long as you don't try putting on a helmet. Then it's suddenly NOT ENOUGH. > Anyone else want to start a petition? ;) Long live the E30!! > I'd rather have a brand new, updated E30 than an E46! Grant, go out and drive an E36 or E46 just for kicks. No comparison. E30 still could still pass for an inexpensive daily driver, but is no match for either E36 or E46. Technological progress and all that. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:28:04 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: more on the Rover sell-off ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > check out this article : > http://www.msnbc.com/news/382429.asp > > note the $3.1 billion charge against 1999 books ! No kidding! I wonder how much of that BMW AG had to _give_ to Alchemy to get Rover off their hands. Oh, and BMW is now rumored to be selling Land Rover. Perhaps to cover part of the $3.1B tag for giving away Rover? $3.1B sell-off charge, $1.xB purchase price, around $2.xB in losses over the last 6 years ... all for a Mini ... some investment. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] That lightbar idea Steven Reed asks: > Where can I buy a lightbar? It doesn't > have to be blues and reds. Maybe just > oranges? Try http://www.galls.com Or, more specifically, http://www.galls.com/shop/viewproduct.jsp?catcode=60 I've always fantasized about having a nice little blue-and-red lightbar atop my E30 for traumatizing those left-lane bandits... KC Boyce '85 325e E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:32:51 -0500 From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW sells Rover See the story here for details... http://www.msnbc.com/news/382429.asp?cp1=1#BODY Here is this important part of the article: "LONDON, March 16 : German luxury car maker BMW AG on Thursday sold out of its struggling British subsidiary Rover, marking an abrupt end to its costly six-year drive to expand abroad. Germany's third largest carmaker said after an apparently stormy supervisory board meeting it would sell the bulk of Rover operations to British venture fund Alchemy Partners in the face of Rover's mounting losses." Bye Bye Rover.... Now that's Rover's gone, build us a new 2002..... - -Justin - -- '76 02 (Whimsical) '92 325is BMW CCA#77056 check out http://users.vei.net/jgerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:33:40 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOB> Radar Detection Through M5 Logo. I was wrong! 30 GHz is 3 x 10^10. Light speed is 300,000 km/s or 3 x 10^10 cm/s. Doesn't that come out to 1 cm for wavelength? Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Also, police radar is relatively long wavelength. The frequency sounds high, but the speed of light is high too so this results in high wavelength as compared to the size of an M5 logo. The 30 GHz for Ka band computes to about 10 cm wavelength (since light speed is 300,000 km/s), which is quite a bit larger than the M5 logo. This is why I thought of the wrap around. Basically, stuff much smaller than the 10 cm would be pretty much invisible to the radar. > > "Seek simplicity and distrust it." Alfred North Whitehead. > > Neil Deshpande > 1988 325 iS > 1989 325 iC > > P.S. Perhaps I should not be admitting this here, but I sometimes find myself enjoying the general engineering discussions on this List more than the BMW-specific ones! Pure BMW content to follow in the next mail. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:39:14 -0500 From: Rich Beebe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <FS> bmw motorsport/ptg springs during a recent 'ncc' event at the ptg race shop, a few (4) ncc members picked up a set of bmw motorsport springs. we all bought a set because they were supposed to be the E36 LTW springs and they were going to give us the ride height we were all looking for. 2 other digest/ncc members also bought the same springs and have already put them on their cars. well, the drop is much more than the LTW springs should have been (2.25" in the front and 2" in the rear). these are obviously some form of motorsport race spring, but we haven't been able to confirm any details yet. part numbers do not come up in NA books. they are definitely euro springs. these are factory motorsport springs (4 white dots on fronts and rears) and retail for $700+/set, based on what rick @ ptg told us. i am about to call rick @ ptg and ask him to buy mine back (they're simply too low for my 'daily driver'), but i thought i'd offer them to the digest first. ron katona and james sheridan-peters both have them on their E36s and say the ride is 'kart-like', but not punishing at all. if you would like to email them and inquire about the ride quality, i will put you in contact with them. i'm offering the springs (brand new) to anyone on the digest for $450 plus shipping. if no one is interested, i will contact rick @ ptg to take them back. email me privately if interested. thanks. rich beebe ncc 95 M3 88 M3 87 325is ITS btw, i know this is an old thread at this point, but..... you know you're a bimmerhead if.......you have the front fender of the #10 PTG M3 race car on your home office wall. <g> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:52:19 -0500 From: Felix Vicente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Rover... ya know, maybe it's just me, but if all of these people in the UK went out and actually *bought* Rovers instead of standing around griping about how BMW is pulling out, maybe there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. There was an editorial in this month's Car magazine that quoted BMW would have lost *less* money on Rover in '99 if they had stopped production and paid each employee 30k GBP (approx 50k USD) to stay home. That's pretty sad. What's the PM driving (or being driven around in?) How about the Union Leader? and all of these British Journalists? - -Felix Vicente Miami, FL (occasionally) '95 325i blk/blk, many mods '95 525iA, calypso/beige, just a chip '98 740iL, white/beige, stock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:59:09 GMT From: "John G.Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: new entry-level car > I've thought about this before.. (not the height thing, but an entry-level > car) Why not bring back the E30!! The exterior design is still plenty I like the cut of your jib sir! > attractive, the interior could be mildly updated to today's ergo specs, and More aerodynamic side winds too. Maybe we could make the rear window like the M3s ;-) > voila, there's the perfect solution! You E30 drivers out there, imagine > your car, brand new, with even "just" the current 323 2.5L engine, and So many choices, so much fun....... Make mine the new 2.2 240bhp four! It must have: Four round headlights not hidden behind a plastic cover Optional close ratio six speed (dog-leg?) Be subtle, no huge spoiler please No plague of gadgets, the basics will do. Folding rear seat is handy and doesn't add weight I'm only 5'6" :-) I was in the back of a two door '85 320i today and was surprised how much leg room there was. > Anyone else want to start a petition? ;) Long live the E30!! I'd rather > have a brand new, updated E30 than an E46! > Grant - wanting a brand new 2002 E30-style coupe.. That's at least two of us then. - -- Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland Web : http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk - The Ultimate BMW Homepage! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:57:13 -0500 From: "Simon Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] For Sale - E30 M3's and other stuff I am postin this for a net impaired friend, don't ask me any questions about this stuff, I haven't seen any of it, I have never met this person, I only know this person from buying an EVO box from him. His name is Doug Kincaid, phone # 573-295-6458 For Sale 89 M3 red/tan 87K miles. Oil pan baffle, korman short shift, Stumoug muffler, new cap, rotor, plugs , fuel filter & fuel pump, fuel regulator, DME, battery, Alpine CD, Pyle speakers and amps, $13500 ( I think) 88 M3 White/Cardinal 50K miles (I believe, supposedly spotless car), Oil pan baffle , Jim C chip, evo airbox, new belts hoses, exhaust cam sprocket, short shift, Racing dynamics braces, bilstein sports,New ground control rear shock mounts, new ground control coil over adjustable springs, evo II spoiler, Indy parabolic door mirrors, borla muffler, car cover, Redline, HRE model 501 mesh 16*8 wheels. It is in the June 98 (if you still have that lying around..lol) Roundel pg 40 $21500 I assume this stuff is all for the E30 M3 OEM rear wing white mint $325 OEM chip $50 OEM radio/cassette $175 OEM onboard computer $175 OEM cruise control Complete mint $350 Air conditioner $225 2 elec window regulators $125 Cardinal red interior mint- pics available $1000 Cardinal red interior average $600 Brake rotors - freshly turned 50K miles $100 has other rotors too slotted, like new yadda yadda Gauge cluster $250 OEM sway bars mint $150 Complete set of coolant hoses & clamps & thermostat $200 RD strut brace front & rear $425 RD aluminum 4 piece pedal set new in wrap $325 Comp adjustable rear sway bar links used $110 new $160 Repco deluxe brake pads front & rear new in box $50 "M" logo Tan floor mats high quality near mint $60 4 OEM BBS 15*7 wheels with center caps, mint mounted with 225/55/ZR15 goodrich Comp TA $700 OEM motorsport steering wheel $150 EVO II suede motorsport steering wheel $450 EVO II rear wing in carbon fibre $400 EVO III rear wing in carbon fibre $850 4 16*8 3 piece OZ wheels, reconditioned professionally, has a one piece 16*8 as a spare, all five for $1300 M coupe wheels style #40, five triangle spoke, 2 17*7.5 & 2 17*9 painted silver $1000 Again don't ask me questions, if you have any call him. Thanks for the bandwidth. Simon 88 M3 ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #456 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
