[uucdigest] Monday, March 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 477 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Ultimate Bimmer [uuc] WOB:valentine one....used vs new Re: [uuc] DIY Mechanical Work [uuc] <iX> Control Arm bushings-->M3 my observations [uuc] RE: ZM8? [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #473 [uuc] Advantages & Disadv of 2 dr vs 4 dr M3 Re: [uuc] Looking for a history lesson [uuc] Camber/Caster Settings [uuc] Flywheel [uuc] Manual 7s, horrible 8s and the the roaring '30s [uuc] ZF Trannys [uuc] re: BMW Merger speculation-ENOUGH! [uuc] <OT> Looking for Robert Moore [uuc] BMW + Honda [uuc] Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors -- snake oil, or not? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Ultimate Bimmer All this talk of bringing back the E30 and Jerry's iX tale have got me thinking... I now really REALLY want to build an E30 332iTX. That is: E30 iT body shell E30 M3 fenders (bolt on in the front, lotsa welding in the back) E30 iX drivetrain S52 3.2; maybe its Euro counterpart. Does anyone know if the oilpan from the new 3.0 will bolt into the S52? And, a more important question, does anyone with deep pockets want to finance my little daydream? KC Boyce '85 325e E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:03:44 -0500 From: David Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WOB:valentine one....used vs new The old ones were good, the new ones are better. I think someone working for Valentine 1 regularly post to this list and the Porsche list to sell units. Ha! With all the talk I sold some blood and bought one inc. the concealed display. FYI they do sell returned units for $359. I even got 10% off the concealed display. All for $400 delivered. David 94 530it 87 930 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:15:38 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] DIY Mechanical Work Thank you for the help John and everyone else who contributed in helping me change my timing belt...the job is now done and in general, went pretty smoothly. As for being capable of doing this project myself, I found it pretty simple w/ the help of Bently. I only asked the question looking for a simple answer since I guess I'm pretty anal about hurting my car...it's my first and if anything happened to it I'd be broke. Thanks guys, most of you were a big help. Chris Reynolds ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:34:13 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <iX> Control Arm bushings-->M3 my observations <snipped from Jack's comments> Some say to use the offset bushing commonly found in E30 M3's. This will give you more caster, probably not something the iX needs anyway...not sure if it would cause any negative effects or not. <snip> I'm using the e30 m3 offset bushing in my ix. Prior to installing them I had pretty new stock bushings, cut front springs 1.5 coils, Bilsteins all around, larger ST rear sway bar set on stiffest setting. The car handled well. I had seen someone else who had the e30 m3 bushings and so I decided try them. They really made a very large handling difference, so much so that I considered changing back to the stock units, but I soon got used to them and I'm pretty sure they are an improvement. They appear to cause the front end to grab better, which translates to, you need less input from the steering wheel to turn the car. This is what took some getting used to. I also found that they enable the front in to grab better in the snow (the car does not understeer as much in the snow) I would not recommend that you use the m3 bushings unless you get a bigger rear bar to go with them though. I was also able to exit my favorite on ramp at about 300 more rpms than with the stock bushings. My perceptions could be wrong, so take it for what it's worth. If your in the Northern Calif. area, (SF bay area) your welcome to drive it. - -Matt PS looking I'm looking for a set of stock 15x7 ix wheels, I have a set of 14's with almost new Gaurdex's with trim rings & caps that I'd be willing to work in as trade also. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:46:43 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: ZM8? Zeemax is an aftermarket company that makes really tacky bodykits. they have Testerossa wide body kits for the E30, and Porsche 928. Brian Jacobs 98 318ti Testorossa kit on order. NOT 99 Z3 coupe Everglades CCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:44:02 -0800 From: James Dye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #473 My flywheel in my 1995 M3 is in need of replacement. Knowing that the stock dual mass affair will most likely just fail again, any recommendations on a high quality after market replacement with limited side effects (like a rattle at idle.) Any recommendations regarding HMS, Dinan, Korman, Tuner, Active Autowerkes, flywheels? Some of these are reworked BMW parts (HMS and Dinan for instance) and some are newly constructed alum. pieces (Turner, Active Autowerkes) Thanks for the help. Jim Dye ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:58:41 +0000 From: Don Trieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Advantages & Disadv of 2 dr vs 4 dr M3 I'm considering purchasing a 98 M3 sedan w/45k Estoril Blue, 5 speed. Any thoughts on the advantages and disadvantages of a 4-door in terms of value, resale, performance, etc. What should I be looking for when checking out the car? TIA Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:20:40 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Looking for a history lesson I was at the 1964 US GP at Watkins Glenn and I recollect the Honda (driven by Ronnie Bucknum, and slotted last on the grid) was white. And I am pretty sure that the USA racing livery is white w/blue chassis, and since chassis are no longer visable, it is white w/two blue stripes, front to back. An interesting side note: for some reason El Commentadore (sp?) refused to enter his Ferraris as the factory SPA. Driven by Surtees & Bandini, they were entered by S.E.F.A.C. (Luigi Chinetti?), and their livery was white, w/a single blue stripe, front to back. I have a marvellous pix of the mechanics unloading Bandini's #8 car w/ the prancing horse badge rampant on a field of blue. I made sure I got the horse else no one wld believe it was a Ferrari. carl 98 M3/4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Camber/Caster Settings Hello All, I plan on installing camber plates in my E34 M5 this week and would like some input as to proper settings for a daily driver, occassional autocross or track school (i.e. I don't want to plow in the real tight corners but I don't want a really lose tail at 80mph on a big sweeper). I have already had some private emails from some of you that have been very helpful. I also expect to receive some input from the alignment shop. However, it would be helpful to have even more information. The car has a Dinan Stage I suspension with the Bilsteins, stock swaybars and tire size (235/45/17). >From what I have learned, it appears I could run 2 degrees negative with no real adverse tire wear problems and 0 toe. Opinions? The big question is caster. How much should I run? I know from my research too much will give me some bump steer and some adverse effects on weight transfer (too much on outside rear tire). So, I am looking for a happy medium. Again, opinions? Kevin Kelly Golden Gate Chapter 91 M5 P.S. I have already learned what each of the different elements is so there is no need for definitions--just recommended settings I can give the alignment shop. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:33:41 -0500 From: "Henry Caldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Flywheel Jim Dye wrote: >>My flywheel in my 1995 M3 is in need of replacement. Knowing that the >>stock dual mass affair will most likely just fail again, any >>recommendations on a high quality after market replacement with limited >>side effects (like a rattle at idle.) Active Autowerkes has a high quality lightweight flywheel that weighs only 12 lbs. Unlike some l/w flywheel that some have complained of idle noise, I cannot hear any noise at idle. This is a good upgrade if you need to replace one and if you are needing to replace the clutch. Saves all that labor cost when doing the clutch.I have had it installed in my 325i with great results. The only down side is you better keep an eye on the tach needle,or you will be visiting the redzone at lot. Besides the darn thing just looks marvelous. Henry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:07:55 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Manual 7s, horrible 8s and the the roaring '30s Grant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) asks: > Are 7-series models available with a manual in Euro markets? Good question. Aside from the 725tds and 728i, the current range is auto-only. Previously (and upon launch) the 3.0 litre 730i V8 and 4.0 litre 740i could be had with DIY in some mainland European markets. Whether the 740i came with a 5- or 6-speeder at that time I'm afraid I don't recall. Perhaps one of the European guys can confirm. And as Dean points out, a 6-speed auto from ZF with steptronic control is around the corner - BMW and Audi are amongst the first takers. Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > I was in London last week and I saw a 8 series parked on the > street near Harrods. It had some huge rear wheels and tires > and was badged a Zeemax ZM8. Does anyone know what this is? Zeemax is a tuner of dubious merit based somewhere in West London. Their speciality is taking the rear wings off 5s, 7s and 8s and bolting on plastic extensions (just as one would have done with a Mini, or maybe a beach buggy) and fitting cheap, deep-dish wheels. The obligatory white/red leather retrim and 10kW stereo follow suit. As for the German national racing colour? I also heard it was once white because of the same story already mentioned (in the '30s Mercedes was trying to shave last ounces off their car to save weight and stripped the paint off). Silver seems to have been adopted as an alternative since (though BMW's racing colour is usually white, a la F1, Le Mans and even the M3 LTW). Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:23:40 -0800 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] ZF Trannys Paul from New Zealand wrote: :In late '87 or early '88 these autos were modified to :prevent them self destructing when revved hard in :Neutral or Park. It was in 1986 that the ZF HP trannys got a modified "A" clutch pack . This reduces, but does not eliminate the trannys from self destructing when reved in Neutral or Park. All Range Rover Classics have the same ZF trannys as many BMWs so after 5 years of reading two Land Rover lists a day I am very familiar with them. I have never heard of a post '86 ZF tranny going out after revving it to 2,500 rpms for a smog check (like many mid 80's BMWs), but some have gone bad while revving at 3,000 rpms + while winching for long periods of time. :I had already purchased sufficient Redline auto tranny :oil for my auto so I gave it a service (filter change) and :put it in. Despite tales to the contrary from others I love Red Line fluids and use them in the BMW (MTL and synth diff lube) but I don't use the synthetic ATF in ZF trannys. I have nothing scientific to back it up but over the years many Land Rover owners have had tranny problems after switching to synthetic ATF. I use good old Castrol Dextron III. :IMO the bottom line here is these trannies are not noted :for longevity. However, it seems logical to me that you :can maximize their life by regular, careful servicing and :sympathetic use. Highest mileage I've heard of so far :for one is 185,000 miles. Can anyone beat that? If you change the fluid and filter every 60K they last for a long time. On the Land Rover list there are many with over 200K and some people with over 300K. Kevin Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:04:52 -0500 From: "Michael J. Greto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: BMW Merger speculation-ENOUGH! The whole point of dumping Rover was so that BMW can remain independent. With BMW no longer flushing cash down the Rover commode, it is now the most profitable auto manufacturer (margin %) on the planet. Why would Ford first buy Rover and then BMW? They would have bought the whole she-bang if it was for sale. The Quandt family is staunchly against BMW losing its independence. I seriously doubt BMW will be bought by anyone anytime soon. Michael Greto BMW CCA Everglades Chapter '98 ///M Roadster (FOR SALE) Many former Bimmers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: "J.L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Looking for Robert Moore Sorry, but I'm just looking for Robert Moore. I lost your email address, and wanted to let you know your parts have been shipped. Email me back for the UPS tracking number. Jay L. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:33:20 -0800 From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW + Honda Rob wrote: > <sigh> > > Where do I sign the lease papers on that Lincoln? > > Technology is only half the battle. Inspiration and soul are probably > more important, both things that Honda (the "play it safe" company) is > sorely lacking. BMW can't learn anything useful from Honda and any merger > would serve solely to enrich Honda and cheapen BMW. C'mon Rob. One thing Honda cannot be accused of is lacking inspiration and soul. You're talking about a company that has enjoyed success in top-level motorsports that BMW can't even match. A company that built its first F1 car *and* engine in the 60's, and was well on its way to doing so again had its technical director not died of a heart attack. A company that owns two race tracks, one of which incorporates a museum to showcase its proud motorsports history. A company that has not retreated from other programs just because it has re-entered F1. Major expenditures for a modestly sized company that "plays it safe." Need I go on? A recent report touched upon the corporate cultures of the various Japanese car companies. Honda was the only one of the group that actually had people who had enthusiasm for cars and their work, rather than just cranking out product. I hope that BMW is able to remain independent, but if it doesn't, who would you want to take over? GM, so they can install former toothpaste/detergent salesmen and make BMW just another brand? VW, so they can build 3/5/7's all from one chassis? IMHO, the least of all evils is probably Ford, who have shown a reasonable stewardship of the brands it has acquired, and employs the man who has steered BMW product development for many years. Better yet would be a strategic partnership, not a takeover, with an similarly-sized, engineering-oriented company like Honda. Unfortunately, the trend of consolidation and subsequent brand-based engineering is the current wave in the industry. back to work... Herman ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:35:31 -0800 From: Gleb Arshinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors -- snake oil, or not? So, I always thought this process was BS (you know looks like BS, smells like BS, ...). All placebo effect, much like loud exhausts, or, for that matter, most of the rest of "no downsides performance" products aftermarket industry peddles. I mean, in a mass-production environment it would probably cost pennies to cryo-treat everything, and I am not aware of manufacturers actually doing it. Admittedly, all correlation, rather than cause/effect type of evidence, but I felt it was strong enough. Now, I've learned that local track buddies (Hi Jim & Donna :-), sane enough looking people (hehe), are cryo-treating their rotors. Being an open-minded person, I tried to find some evidence of cryo benefits on the Net. I failed. All that I saw was pseudo-science description of the process by vendor and multiple "testimonials". I'll stick to cheaper forms of placebo, thank you very much (now, where did I put those fuzzy dice :-) So, is anyone aware of any evidence, for or against the process? I am thinking either proper scientific study published in some SAE journal, or, perhaps, material science journal. Conditions of use under which improvement was shown/not shown would be important. It would most interesting if conditions were similar to brake rotor duty. An indirect evidence like "Caterpillar cryo treats rotors on their trucks, and what's good enough for Cat is good enough for me," would be interesting too. I suspect some of the digesters have material science background. Please chime in. 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