[uucdigest] Monday, March 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 479 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] <MISC> BMW Motorcycle list/site Re: [uuc] BPG Intake Shootout results/computer problems H*LP Re: [uuc] Re: Bmw/Honda Re: [uuc] Cryogenic treatment of metal (including brake rotors) [uuc] Re: DIY Mechanical Work [uuc] Re: BMW Merger speculation-Enough! Re: [uuc] BMW + Honda Re: [uuc] Re: Bmw/Honda [uuc] Tire pressure Autocross - Michelin sport Re: [uuc] BMW alarmsystem Re: [uuc] Camber/Caster Settings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:18:58 -0600 From: "Herb Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <MISC> BMW Motorcycle list/site Go to www.imbwr.org for such a list. Herb <Grinning> - ---Two Wheel Only Campground---at Blueberry Farm in Avinger Texas--- - ---800-559-1013-----Now Open ------Berries Fresh June and July--- - --------------------- http://www.herbstark.com --------------------- - ---- 1997 R1100RT "Hot Rod" ----BOOF#2--VI - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aziz Meruani Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <MISC> BMW Motorcycle list/site Just wondering if there is a BMW Motorcycle list or site available...my brother is looking into getting the R1100, so thought I would try and find some firsthand information for him. Thanks. - -Aziz BMW CCA #145895 Sharked '89 325i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:54:36 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] BPG Intake Shootout results/computer problems H*LP In a message dated 3/20/00 8:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Ah... but look what your (and probably many) e-mail reader did to the link after about 72 characters: > http://www.b-p-g.com/products/news_by_bpg/intake_shootout/intake_shootout. > html see... the "html" got cut off. >> //////////////////////////////////// I've been to this site twice...I get it to come up ok, but for some reason as I'm using my mouse to page down the text, the mouse suddenly disappears! My entire keyboard locked up, so I did all I know to do, which was ctrl-alt-delete. That got me out and shutdown. So, I tried again, dang if it didn't happen a second time. I've noticed that there are a few sites that this will happen on my system. What is wrong with my keyboard/mouse/computer? If it should happen again and my keyboard locks up, is there any way to "reset" the mouse and keyboard without using ctrl-alt-delete? Thanks for any help with my Sony Vaio. Ken Arutunian '95 M3 PS since I'm having so much trouble with the site...could someone e-mail me privately with the overall results? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:03:54 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bmw/Honda There are no blueprints for "soul". When I drive an expensive BMW, I look around at the iterior, I feel how the motor and suspension respond, and I think "this is good stuff, there's something special built in." Even if that car breaks and is in the shop, well, I'm sure even Kathy Ireland gets the sniffles. I have driven my fair share of recent Acuras and Hondas. I look around, I feel how the motor and suspension respond, and I think "someone set all this stuff up so I would think it's really good stuff in the showroom and that would entice me to sign the papers and take it home." And as two, five, ten years go by, that car becomes just another old car. I've enver disputed Honda's engineering. I wil point out the grotesque micro-calculations that make their parts suitable for exactly what they are supposed to do and not one iota more. No, I'm not referring to some power-mad desire to pump in a ton of boost for mega-horsepower... I'm talking about brakes that work perfectly when Aunt Martha drives it but turn to scrap when Johnny Racer goes deep. I'm talking about piston rods to which the term "overbuilt" could never be applied. These are not engineering faults (just the opposite, it takes a lot of engineering to pare down parts to be 100% sufficient and no more)... but they are indicative of a company that, despite the enthusiasm of a handful of engineers that cycle through the F1 program, views cars as consumable appliances. This is in sharp contrast to the distinctly European view of cars as their own entities that we take into our own stewardship for awhile. Honda thrives on inspiration... the inspiration of other companies that Honda in turn replicates, polishes, packages, and markets very well. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chaz Yoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bmw/Honda > Rob, I think you're confusing the difference between marketing and > engineering. Honda has chosen to make entry in the automotive market > to make the kinds of cars that it makes: softer suspensions, quiet, > smooth running engines, and low price. BMW doesn't make a car that > competes against the Civic because it has chosen a different market > segment. To compare the two is just plain silly. > You have to cut away the marketing and look at their effective > engineering abilities. If you believe that Honda, Toyota, Ford, or any > other company can't make a BMW-like tuned suspension, you're sadly > mistaken. You don't actually believe that they don't have the > technology or the ability to dump the money into research, do you? > They have a market segment and they cover it very well. > > The NSX, for example, is a fine example of a car which is in a niche > market. Sure you can get a faster car for less money -- a Mustang > Cobra will probably beat it in a drag race with plenty of money to > modify its suspension to give it a run for its money through the > twisties. But it shoots for a market which is unique: to build an > expensive sports car that wealthy executives won't wrap themselves > around a tree with. > Your preferences for an ideal car (which are absolutely dead-on, btw) > simply don't translate into what's best for the market. People in > Lincolns want nice cushy rides with suspensions that absorb everything > but the biggest potholes. > Just because Honda produces FWD cars with four-cylinder engines says > nothing about their engineering talent. You'll note that they are > considered some of the best engines in the world and just because it > isn't enough power for you doesn't mean you should discount it. > > Chaz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:13:24 -0500 From: Phil Cataldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Cryogenic treatment of metal (including brake rotors) Gleb and others, This process has been widely used for treating rifle barrels in high precision shooting circles, and stiffening metal parts subject to severe vibration and wear. I don't think it makes much sense for brake rotors though. It is will harden/stiffen the metal somewhat (I have an article from a materials magazine somewhere). If you harden the metal, the brake pads will wear faster. If you don't harden it, the pads wear less, and the rotors wear more. It sure seems like a zero sum game to me. Rotors are MEANT to wear, as are brake pads. Cryo treatment is not pseudo science, and has applications in many areas, but I don't think brake rotors are one of them. If you like to eat up brake pads, and not replace rotors, go for it. I for one believe in changing them every so often to maintain that heat sink area and get rid of any warping that may have occurred. Phil Cataldi Engineer, Shooter, BMW owner 91 318is (new and improved with smashed quarter panel) 98 Z3 (sold...) 89 Euro E30M3 cabrio (on the boat in a day or two) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:23:32 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: DIY Mechanical Work Chris, In a message dated 3/20/00 8:44:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Thank you for the help John and everyone else who contributed in helping me change my timing belt...the job is now done and in general, went pretty smoothly. As for being capable of doing this project myself, I found it pretty simple w/ the help of Bently. I only asked the question looking for a simple answer since I guess I'm pretty anal about hurting my car...it's my first and if anything happened to it I'd be broke. Thanks guys, most of you were a big help. >> Glad it went well....that is one job I let my mechanic do...I know I could probably do it, but I wasn't sure...it's great learning about all aspects of your car, and a great feeling of satisfaction when all goes well! Happy Motoring, John Weese BMW CCA #76646 Nittany Bimmers Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:27:25 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: BMW Merger speculation-Enough! In a message dated 3/20/00 8:44:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Greto writes: << The Quandt family is staunchly against BMW losing its independence. I seriously doubt BMW will be bought by anyone anytime soon. >> Way to go Michael....Now, let's move on!!! BTW, if BMW were to be bought out, I'd have a big "hole" in my stomach...what an empty feeling!...like losing a good friend. Let's hope it doesn't happen! John Weese BMW CCA #76646 Nittany Bimmers Chapter 6 Bimmer Family ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:33:16 -0800 From: Don Cicchetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW + Honda >Rob wrote: > >> <sigh> >> >> Where do I sign the lease papers on that Lincoln? >> >> Technology is only half the battle. Inspiration and soul are probably >> more important, both things that Honda (the "play it safe" company) is >> sorely lacking. BMW can't learn anything useful from Honda and any merger >> would serve solely to enrich Honda and cheapen BMW. Herman replied: >C'mon Rob. One thing Honda cannot be accused of is lacking >inspiration and soul. > >You're talking about a company that has enjoyed success in top-level >motorsports that BMW can't even match. A company that built its >first F1 car *and* engine in the 60's, and was well on its way to >doing so again had its technical director not died of a heart >attack. A company that owns two race tracks, one of which >incorporates a museum to showcase its proud motorsports history. A >company that has not retreated from other programs just because it >has re-entered F1. Major expenditures for a modestly sized company >that "plays it safe." Need I go on? Herman makes some good points here, and as anyone who saw the "Speedway" movie in IMAX (and didn't toss their cookies) can tell you, no one quite knows how Honda builds their race motors to make that much power and still hold together so well. There are obviously folks at Honda who have lots of soul, as well as being some of the best engineers on the planet. Having said that, most of the actual street cars, are wellll, appliances. Really GOOD appliances, but appliances nonetheless. You know, as a guitar player I have noticed that Yamaha has made some really nice guitars, but they were all kind of generic sounding, and posed no challenge to Gibson or Fender. I asked my guitar-builder friend why the Japanese could make so many great things, and never really "got" how to make a great guitar. He said: "they simply don't know how to make a good magnetic pickup", and he is right. Neither do the Germans, the Brits, or anyone else. ALL of the great pickups are american. Anderson, Fralin, Lace, Rio Grande, Van Zandt, EMG, Duncan etc etc So Yamaha introduced a line of guitars with Duncan pickups. Selling like crazy... Who can fault an Accord/Camry etc for quality, fit and finish, etc? You can't, they simply set so high a standard that they become the measuring stick for what most customers love in cars. But.... no soul. Sorry. no more soul than a great Maytag washer. The culture of BMW has produced everything from the hilarious 2002 owner's manual (not TOO fast now son... to the kid on his scooter) to the new M5. NO ONE else can make those cars, any more than someone else can make Tom Anderson guitars. It's just too focused a vision to translate to a different corporate culture. BTW, I thought that the 240Z and the Datsun 2000 had soul, but not much since then has. snip >IMHO, the least of all evils is probably Ford, who have shown a >reasonable stewardship of the brands it has acquired, and employs >the man who has steered BMW product development for many years. >Better yet would be a strategic partnership, not a takeover, with an >similarly-sized, engineering-oriented company like Honda. >Unfortunately, the trend of consolidation and subsequent brand-based >engineering is the current wave in the industry. And the current wave in the industry may or may not be the future. It may just be a load of buzzwords. We all thought that the sale of Rover and the income produced by selling LR to Ford would strengthen BMW, but the pundits are saying it weakened BMW. I don't get it, and I wonder if the pundits have a clue, honestly. According to something someone sent me, today the Quandt family said "BMW is not for sale". But of course, the speculators need something to yabber about.... DC - -- __________________________________________ Don Cicchetti CCA member - guitar player '71 02/M42 "Ingrid" -Beatnik Motor Works- __________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:41:12 -0800 From: Don Cicchetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bmw/Honda Chaz made one point I want to respond to: >The NSX, for example, is a fine example of a car which is in a niche >market. Sure you can get a faster car for less money -- a Mustang >Cobra will probably beat it in a drag race with plenty of money to >modify its suspension to give it a run for its money through the >twisties. But it shoots for a market which is unique: to build an >expensive sports car that wealthy executives won't wrap themselves >around a tree with. Recently I finally got to the bottom of something that has always puzzled me; why the NSX goes through rear tires every 5000 miles. They have the rear tires toed in, so that the car's perceived response to steering input is razor-sharp. This is impressive engineering? yikes! We owned an Integra BTW and loved it, but I don't even want an NSX. Imagine, you cannot drive the car from El Lay to Noo Yawk and back without buying a new set of tires along the way.... Surely there must be a better way. I do agree that Honda could build a "BMW" if it chose to, but I am certain that we could all tell the difference too. DC - -- ___________________ Donald Chris Cicchetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] DC Technologies, San Diego, CA Recording, CD Mastering Sound System Design and Install Video, & Live Sound support. __________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:42:43 -0500 From: Al Hyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Tire pressure Autocross - Michelin sport I have a 99 M3 and plan to participate in a couple of driving events this spring. For drivers schools and Autocross what tire pressure should I use for the stock Michelin Sport tires?? Thanks, Al 99M3 Silver X brace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:25:39 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW alarmsystem My '95 525iT has that kit. I believe the module fits in the rear of the console. My manual mentions '93 thru '95 model years so it should fit those years. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Does anyone know which model and year the BMW Part # 82 11 1 467 028 Remote > Keyless Security System fits? Second question where can I get a plug and > harness, looks like 22 pin female, and a wiring diagram to use this in a 93 > 525iT. I have searched all over the car for its supposed "plug and play", and > have not found the hook-up TIA > Daniel BMW CCA 12660 > 93 525iT > 89 325is > 73 2002tii ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:32:04 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Camber/Caster Settings 2 deg negative camber will cause noticeable inside shoulder wear of the front tires if you do a lot of highway driving but they should still outlast the rears. That would be the limit for me. As far as caster, the 8 deg stock setting is plenty. I don't know the bump steer curve for the E34 so I can't speculate in too much detail, more positive caster will cause roll oversteer which will make the car twitchy, how much I don't know. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello All, > > I plan on installing camber plates in my E34 M5 this > week and would like some input as to proper settings > for a daily driver, occassional autocross or track > school (i.e. I don't want to plow in the real tight > corners but I don't want a really lose tail at 80mph > on a big sweeper). I have already had some private > emails from some of you that have been very helpful. I > also expect to receive some input from the alignment > shop. However, it would be helpful to have even more > information. The car has a Dinan Stage I suspension > with the Bilsteins, stock swaybars and tire size > (235/45/17). > > From what I have learned, it appears I could run 2 > degrees negative with no real adverse tire wear > problems and 0 toe. Opinions? The big question is > caster. How much should I run? I know from my research > too much will give me some bump steer and some adverse > effects on weight transfer (too much on outside rear > tire). So, I am looking for a happy medium. Again, > opinions? > > Kevin Kelly > Golden Gate Chapter > 91 M5 > > P.S. I have already learned what each of the different > elements is so there is no need for definitions--just > recommended settings I can give the alignment shop. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #479 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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