[uucdigest] Wednesday, March 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 486 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] <Z3> Roll Bars? [uuc] <E30> WTB e30 325is [uuc] Pressure bleeder question [uuc] Re: <E36> strange buzzer Re: [uuc] DIFFULT STARTING Re: [uuc] <e36> common problems? Re: [uuc] <Z3> Roll Bars? Re: [uuc] Re: <E36> strange buzzer [uuc] Dinan Exhaust [uuc] Isetta for Sale [uuc] "Welcome to BMW" video [uuc] Brake Rotors Re: [uuc] "Welcome to BMW" video [uuc] Boston area dyno day / get together update [uuc] Compare Z rated PF and Porterfield RS4? [uuc] RE: cryo brake rotors (tech article-long) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:52:03 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <Z3> Roll Bars? Here is a safe one.Just look under Harddog and then Z3 <A HREF="http://www.harddog.com/">roll bars</A> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:54:20 -0600 From: "Paul Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E30> WTB e30 325is Hello list, Having sold my M5, I am now in the market for an 89 or later E30 325is 5 spd. The car needs to be decent, but not necessarily perfect. Anyone got any leads on a car anywhere near Kansas City? Thanks, Paul Craven Software Quality Assurance Engineer Informix Software, Inc. Lenexa, Kansas, USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:06:04 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Pressure bleeder question I am not sure what pressure bleeder your are talking about, but I used a Motive Pressure Bleeder for the first time ever (using a pressure bleeder or bleeding my brakes) about a month ago and felt it worked very well on my 95 M3. (http://www.motiveproducts.com/) YMMV but worth every penny. Best regards, Rich - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:04:07 -0500 (EST) From: Moe Drippins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Pressure bleeder question I see in teh latest Bav Auto mag a pressure bleeder, made of plastic, using a hand pump (not unlike the pump on a home garden pesticide sprayer) rather than an air line inlet to provide pressure. Anyone know anything about these? Are they worth the $39.95? - - -- Just Moe '95 540 6 speed, BL/SS BMWCCA Peachtree Chapter - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:40:23 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <E36> strange buzzer Avi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes about his unsynchronised headlight buzzer/hazard lights: > 1. Is this normal? Well, it's a bit cheesy but my old E36 coupe did it and so did my brother's. So I can reasonably assume it's normal. > 2 If the answer to 1 is "NO", what is going to/has already failed? No failures of any kind to do with the lights, switches or circuitry - just one of those things. As for the highest-mileage BMW... I read once about a 394k 735i being used for towing duty in the UK (although that might have been a late E23). Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:43:44 -0600 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] DIFFULT STARTING Al, One simple thing, our 88 325ica was doing the same thing, We had a new fuel pump, new injectors, and other misc parts. I broke downand took it to a dealer, they replaced the thermostat!?! well, I haven't had the probs since. Just a stab in the dark here. jason daniels 94 530ita sharked, lowered, bilsteined 325 ica 74 2002tii rust in pieces, but still fun - ---------- > From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] DIFFULT STARTING > Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 4:17 PM > > I have a 1989 525 which starts promptly most of the time, but > occasionally (and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason when it > happens) I have to let it crank for up to 15 to 20 seconds; at which > time it reluctantly starts as if it were flooded, i.e., it starts slwly > and then gains momentum. I have installed a pressure gage ( that pokes > out of the hood)and sometimes it retains pressure between one hour and > overnight and some times it doesn't. Shouldn't the system retain some > pressure for longer than a few days? And what are the chances of the > fuel pump check valve not working, or the injectors leaking? I also > pinched off the return line and it still loses pressure. I recently was > stealing hose clamps from an old Volvo in a wrecking yard and although > the car had been there a long time (maybe a year?), there was still > pressure in the fuel system. > I can't see anything in the Bently manual or the book I have on Bosch > fuel injection which says how long the system should retain pressure. > I have tried to put a check valve in the gas line before the pressure > gage to isolate the problem but I don't seem to get any consistent > results. > If all else fails, I may get a used fuel pump from a wrecking yard and > see if the results are any different. > Also the idle is rough but it recently passed the Cal smog inspection as > well as the Auto Club Diagnostics test. I put some fuel injector > cleaner in am waiting for something good to happen. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1989 BMW 525 > 1983 VOLVO 240 > 1986 Vanagon > 1995 Maxima (not very exciting but it starts all the time) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:00:07 -0500 From: Dave Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36> common problems? David Boyd wrote: >Does anybody have a list, or any ideas on what I >should look out for? Check out Richard Nott's outstanding BMW database at: http://203.102.130.85/staff/rnott/bmw/technical.html See "E36 Common Problems" near the bottom of the page. Dave Meyer 99 328is 94 K75RT Lorton VA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:29:34 -0600 From: Devon Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <Z3> Roll Bars? Have you asked for specifics about there rules? One rule I saw said that the roll bar must be 2 inches above the helmeted head. Scott D Miller wrote: > Stan and his lady friend Sandra came to our GGC autocross in her Z3 1.9. It was > just her first autocross, but now she's all excited about motorsports and wants > to go do a race track driving school in the Z3. Stan, a former CCA member who > has been doing all kinds of motorsports stuff for decades (still owns a Tii), > can get Sandra into an upcoming driving school (not a CCA school), but first the > Z3 needs a roll bar. The roll bar can be bolt-in, but the top must remain > operable once the roll bar is in. Their target date is to have it installed > within a couple of weeks. Here are Stan's questions: > > 1. Is a suitable roll bar available in Northern California? Where? Contact > info? > > 2. If not available locally, is there a good bar available that can be shipped > to the S.F. Bay Area in time for them to get it installed within the target time > frame? If so, who sells it? Contact info? > > Please direct your replies to me, and I'll forward them to Stan. He does not > read his e-mail regularly, so I'll have to call him with the info. > > TIA for any advice and information. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA #44977 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:10:28 -0600 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <E36> strange buzzer Andy, You are correct in that one, I read that a year ago or so in one of the European BMW pulications. It was an E23 with a manual tranny. He also had an E32 shorty, but that only had something like 185K. :) Jason Daniels - ---------- > > As for the highest-mileage BMW... I read once about a 394k 735i being used > for towing duty in the UK (although that might have been a late E23). > > Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:26:24 -0800 From: ngrumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Dinan Exhaust I put a new Dinan Exhaust on my 328ic convertible today! It sounds wonderful! I can't even hear my cold air intake anymore. Now I have to get a throttle body. This neat stuff is addicting....... Jeff '98 328ic w/Dinan Stage 2 Chip/CAI/and new Dinan Exhaust '96 318ti with RD 17" wheels. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:29:57 -0800 From: ngrumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Isetta for Sale There is a "supposedly" classic car company near me in Escondido, CA, that has an Isetta for sale. It seems nice, but not exceptional. Is 20K way too much? - Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:04:12 -0800 From: "Joe H. Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] "Welcome to BMW" video Harvey posted: "They also showed a bare front suspension on a test rig where the tires are being driven by rollers and the full range of turning and suspension travel is being exercised in a lab torture test that duplicates being driven around some test track. In this sequence, you also see the brake rotor which appears "normal" suddenly flash to red hot. An altogether interesting piece of video tape." I wholeheartedly agree. I was sent a copy last year when I purchased my '99 ti Sport. It is definitely worth watching. Anytime I have a friend or co-worker by the house, I pop it in and fast forward to "The Test Rig From Hell". It is used to test suspension systems and simulates continuous laps around the 'Ring. It must be seen to be appreciated. When the shot of the glowing-red brake rotor comes on, I point out to my guest(s) that, yes, BMW's are made a little differently than a Honda, etc. I have received zero arguments with that statement. Joe 00 M coupe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:43:13 -0500 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Brake Rotors Speaking of rotors, the Brembo's on the front of the LTW are very similiar to the MOVIT kit brakes (Yes, I realize he P-car brakes are actually stronger, but the car was built by its previous owner). From Brembo they are called the F40 application. Does anyone know if it would be possible for me to use the new cyramic P-car rotors with my brake setup when they come out? Also, what type of paint is used on the P-car and Brembo calipers from factory? Are they powdercoated? Mine are looking pretty bad and I am looking to refinish them, maybe in the lighter blue in the BMW Motorsport flag. I have seen other painted calipers, but the paint never seems to have the same glossy finish that a new set of Brembo's has. Thanks, Bryan ======================================== The LTW did not come with Brembo rotors but you are correct that the Porsche rotors and LTW rotors are made by the same company....SHW. Porsche calipers have a clear powdercoat over the color coat....this gives them a glossy finish. Foliatec makes a perfect match to their red, black and other colors. The ceramic disks are pretty incredible....not only is there a tremendous weight savings but the stopping power has been described as if 2 993 turbo calipers were being used on each front disk. We will have a pair to test in a month or so. Don't expect to see these on early 996 turbo cars as Porsche engineers are still trying to deal with the heat issues. SD ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.ultimategarage.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:45:59 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] "Welcome to BMW" video Harvey posted: > > An altogether interesting piece of video tape." Then Joe said > I wholeheartedly agree. I was sent a copy last year when I purchased my '99 > ti Sport. It is definitely worth watching. Then I chime in: Had these videos (3) that either came with (or shortly after in mail) my 00 E39. Hadn't ever watched them. One was the Welcome Video, the other two, "instructional"(I memorized the owners manuals instead). After reading this thread I queued them up. Well worth the look, and a cut above the usual self promotion stuff. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze some Volvos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:03:13 -0500 From: Ken W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Boston area dyno day / get together update The event for this Saturday, 3/25, at BPG in Boston, is on as planned. We will be dynoing four or five cars and having a general get-together. Rob and Ben from UUC Motorwerks will be there mostly to hang out and talk to people. Rob should have the E34 M5 Touring with them. Should be a very low key event. BPG will supply some sort of lunch, like pizza or something like that. Should be a lot of fun. For info on location and such, check out <http://www.b-p-g.com/>. We should be starting at about 11:30am. Hope to see some of you there! - -Ken '91 M3 '86 GTI - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ScopusFest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:03:58 -0800 From: Jim & Sandy Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Compare Z rated PF and Porterfield RS4? Is there anyone who has experience with both the Porterfield RS4 and the Performance Friction Z-Rated Performance brake pads which they would share. I need a pad for both street and drivers schools. Which is best for braking pereformance? Thanks for any help. Jim Hudson 1994 325i BMW CCA 144235 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:14:47 -0600 From: "Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: cryo brake rotors (tech article-long) I also live in MN, and I know several fellow PCA track junkies who have had positive experiences with cryo rotors from Diversified Cryogenics. One with a tweaked 911 3.6 Turbo S2 went from rotors lasting one weekend to 4-5 weekends. The failure mode had been cracking. That said, recently I ran across an article in a engineering trade rag about various treatments to improve material properties. The magazine is called Machine Design www.machinedesign.com I looked for the article on their web site, but it seems they only put up a few sample articles, and this wasn't one of them. Anyway, I'll paraphrase some of the information in the article: "Cryogenics is another way to remove residual stresses from parts. The computer controlled process cools parts to -300F, slowly returns them to room temperature, and then often heats them further. Cryogenics changes the microstructure of a part's material from a relatively soft state to a denser and more uniform one. The process is used on a variety of components, such as cutting tools, brake rotors, performance engines, gun barrels, and golf clubs. .... taking anywhere from 24 to 56 hours.... ...cyro treatment converts austentite to martensite, a denser, more refined compound.... ... unlike heat treating, which affects only the surface of parts, cryogenics treats the entire cross section of parts. .. When the rate of change of temperature is slow enough, thermal compression and expansion take place uniformly from the core to the surface, releasing internal stresses. ... The process improves dimensional control in titanium and other metals....process also works on synthetic materials such as nylon, teflon, and other plastics. ... The process has a few limitations......cycle times of at least 24 hours can put a road bump in fast paced manufacturing....parts...are limited to the size of the cooling chamber, which is typically about the size of a large freezer." So if its real, why don't we see it in mass production? Well, the cost is definitely more than a few cents, and added in 1-3 days to the work in progress cost over a million cars, the cost to the manufacturer is in the tens of millions. And, for 95% of the public, there is no real benefit - most cars live their life with the original rotors. Or, if this is snake oil, what about the other process described in the article - SVSR, subharmonic vibration stress relief, i.e., vibrating/shaking the residual stresses out of parts! Sorry for the length, but this article was timely with the current cryo thread. Mark Kittock '96 328i Sport '86 944T track car '97 Contour SE (for sale! - not a BMW, but a great car) '00 Durango tow vehicle ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #486 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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