[uucdigest] Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 528 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW?? Re: [uuc] Mounting tires on BMW wheels [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance [uuc] You be the Cop [uuc] Re:95 m3 Re: [uuc] Musings on an E34 M5 engine in my E36 [uuc] <E36><M3>Silly Oil Question [uuc] <FS> Motorola cell phone kit Re: [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW?? [uuc] Testing Brake Components Re: [uuc] BMW Williams Re: [uuc] Re: <e28> M5 control arm bushings [uuc] Re: Euro E36 seat belts, weight loss and Saab motors [uuc] 750 Thrust Arm Bushings [uuc] animal oil in K&N filter oils ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:53:22 -0600 From: Robert Ledesma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW?? Michael Weishaar wrote: >I was looking in the paper yesterday, and they showed the race results >of the Brazillian F1 race, and I noticed that there was no mention of >BMW. They were listed as Williams. I thought BMW paid big bucks for >the team to be called BMW-Williams, instead of Williams-BMW. Phil Marx wrote: >Just in case anyone cares, the hats that BMW Mobile Tradition donated as >door prizes at Gateway Tech say: BMW.WilliamsF1 Team. >On the adjustment band it says: www.bmw.williamsf1.com >some snippage< Guys, Even on that website it lists the car type as: "WilliamsF1 BMW FW22." I don't think it matters how much money BMW spent, they're still only the engine supplier, which always gets listed second (if at all). It's been like this for as long as I remember. So, unless BMW wants to spend enough money to actually buy the Williams team I think they'll always be listed second. Just my '02 cents, Robert BTW, congratulations to the Williams/BMW team for a great start to the season! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:56:13 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Mounting tires on BMW wheels The AH rim contour BMW uses must be broken down at the valve stem. BMW has issued tech bulletins on this issue. The tires come on and off from the front. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Worthless trivia follows. > > So, I got a new set of rubbers mounted today (hmm...) New set of Pilot > Sports on M-Contour II wheels. Talked to the mechanic afterwards, > and he was saying that mounting tires on BMW wheels is a bitch. Gotta > use tons of lube and be patient, he said (hmm...). The shop uses all > the right Hunter equipment. > > It is not the low profile rubber with stiff sidewall, but BMW wheel > design that make it hard. Apparently, those huge rear tires on Viper > are actually pretty easy (they had R compounds mounted on viper wheels > waiting for a client there). M3 wheels are pretty bad. The worst are > "throwing star" M-roadster wheels. According to the mechanic, when > one of those shows up "everybody in the shop runs away." The way I > understood it, with these wheels you actually have to (dis)mount the > tires from the back side of the wheel. > > Gleb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:15:19 -0500 From: "Bailey Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance Alex F asked: <So the moral of the story is: even if some #@%$ calls you in over the phone/CB, the cops can not issue a ticket unless they personally witnessed the event? True or false?> And the answer is... TRUE!!! With a few exceptions, which vary state-to-state- such as DUI and Domestic Violence- a PO cannot issue a citation unless he actually observes the non-felony offense. Note however, that I have had several Reckless Driving cases in my court where the prosecuting witness is a civilian who saw the alleged infraction and went down to the County Attorney and swore out a complaint. Though it usually ends up being someone PO'd about a neighbor's kid squealing tires and such. Bailey Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:10:14 -0500 From: "Duane Collie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] You be the Cop >So the moral of the story is: even if some #@%$ calls you in over the >phone/CB, the cops can not issue a ticket unless they personally witnessed >the event? True or false? >alex f Alex, It depends on the state. Here in the great Commonwealth of Virginia, you - as an outraged John Q. Citizen - can go swear out a complaint against Billy Bob Reckless to the local Magistrate and in effect, make an arrest if the police decide your story has even a whisper of merit when they review it. The cops will then have Billy Bob come to the station for an interview and 'arrest' him, usually releasing him on his own recognizance and a summons to appear in court. The State's Attorney does the prosecuting of the case, with John Q. as the star witness. Now, John Q. has to be able to identify (pick out) the arresstee in court, and the police WILL issue John Q. a subpoena to appear (just in case he wanted to make a vengence play and then dissapear on the court date). But yes, it's doable in VA. Other states will vary. So its wise to be careful of who you cut off as you speed on by in my part of the world! - - Duane Collie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:15:39 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re:95 m3 In a message dated 3/28/00 7:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Seek 95 M3 Advice > > Im considering purchasing a 95 M3 production date 6/95 with 62K the thing to do is to replace the plastic impeller'd waterpump if it has not already been done. with 62k miles,, it's either already been done, or probably needs to be done really soon (they usually give out just over 50k, ask me how i know) 95 is the year of choice for modifications. if you will ever consider serious upgrading the performance of the engine, 95 is the year to get. tommy 95 AAturboM3 12.013 in 1/4mi on street tires ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hart) Subject: Re: [uuc] Musings on an E34 M5 engine in my E36 Don't know a thing about the powerful M-ach 5, might suggest you contact Alpina at least for reviews on the B6, etc, and weight penalty. Keep in mind that certain parts of the Euro 3 series they swap into have lighter fiberglass or aluminium parts, or so I am told... If you do go ahead with your swap, please post me, as I would be interested in putting the M-3 motor and tranny in my E36 convertible. I haven't the slightest clue how to do it, so if your mechanic becomes doubly flexible (including price, for which yours undoubtedly will be the most flattering..maybe he can work on my car when he gets p.o'd at your project!). John P.S, Glad somebody else out there realizes displacement upgrading kicks the crap out of one quarter of a second, premi fueled chip/air kits (thats about $900 folks, and nothing for an encore..but I digress..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:42:14 -0700 From: Pearson-Franks Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36><M3>Silly Oil Question Digesters: So, I got 3,000 miles on the new-to-me '95 M3, and of course I wanted to swap synth for dino juice. I had topped up to the upper mark for a day at the track already (wu-who!) so I expected to get 7ish quarts out in the deal, right? Wrong! (and hotly so!) I drained easily 8 quarts, judging from the 6 quart container I overflowed, another quart and a half container quickly pulled over, and a puddle of approximately 28" diameter . . . oops. So I refilled with 6 quarts; no oil on stick. Add another, *no* *oil* *on* *stick*. Add another (8 now, for those of us with fingers not pushing keys or mice) and the oil level just touches the tip of the dipstick. So, what's up with this? Bentley says 6, my owner's manual says 6. My geezermobile 540i takes 8, *not* the sveldt M3! Any wisdom (or wit) welcome. ;~) Larry F. - -- Larry Franks Issaquah, Washington '95 540i/6 '95 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:54:29 -0500 From: neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <FS> Motorola cell phone kit I took this thing out of my 325is this weekend, and I don't need it. It is from Cellular One, and works with any Profile series or flip phone (but not that itty bitty startac thing). It is the delux unit, complete with a microphone, speaker, and the little window-mount, spiral pimp antenna. Make an offer, or tell me what you have to trade for it (it doesn't have to be car stuff). Good trade ideas include, but are not limited to: control arms, (for the 325is) E30 M3 springs, (for the 325is) ModelMotoring. Aurora, A/FX and/or TYCO H.O. scale slot track and/or cars. (for my basement) - -- Do Svedanya! Neil Hitze http://www.hitze.com/~neil "..the underdog will eventually survive...." --Colin James Hay "This is not a step." --Heywood Banks Star Trek stuff for sale: http://www.hitze.com/~neil/startrek/startrekforsale.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:58:38 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW?? << Michael Weishaar wrote: >I was looking in the paper yesterday, and they showed the race results >of the Brazillian F1 race, and I noticed that there was no mention of >BMW. They were listed as Williams. I thought BMW paid big bucks for >the team to be called BMW-Williams, instead of Williams-BMW. >> I got a spiffy free T shirt from BMW group. It says BMW.WilliamsF1Team. Twice. It carries part # 80 30 0 018 148 and is made in Turkey. That part # is for size L. Michel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:04:15 -0500 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Testing Brake Components Date: 28 Mar 2000 18:29:28 -0800 From: Gleb Arshinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am not sure I understand. Is this done once for the whole 996 turbo line of cars, or is this done for every instance of 996 turbo produced. If it is the former, it does not seem sufficient. If it the latter, it seems excessive =================================================== No Gleb...it is done for the entire series. This has been Porsche's test procedure for years with previous models. They also perform crash tests on cars for the series, not each one coming off the production line. That would be excessive. SD ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.ultimategarage.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:07:13 -0600 From: "Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Williams I confirmed with my F1 source www.Formula-1.co.uk that in the case of BMW and Williams, BMW paid enough to have the official team name be BMW Williams while the other remain McLaren Mercedes, BAR Honda, Jordan Mugen-Honda, etc. Mark '96 328i Sport (just took the Hakka's off, the 17" OZ Monte Carlos & Yoko AVS Intermediates are back on!!!!! - of course we're now guaranteed to get 6" of snow) '86 944 turbo track car 1st track event of the year only 5 weeks away! '00 Durango 4.7 future tow vehicle >> Subject: [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW?? >> I was looking in the paper yesterday, and they showed the race results >> of the Brazillian F1 race, and I noticed that there was no mention of >> BMW. They were listed as Williams. I thought BMW paid big bucks for >> the team to be called BMW-Williams, instead of Williams-BMW. > >Actually that is the rule in Formula 1. First nominee is the sponsor (the >tobacco company :-)), then it's the team name (the owner :-)) and last - the >engine supplier. even if the engine supplier holds major stakes in the team >(such as Mercedes holds some x0% in McLaren). > >In Williams case, BMW is also major backer, but Compaq gets to keep the >largest decal on the sides. so the team name is Compaq Williams BMW >(although the official website is BMW Williams F1. > >> I didn't get to see the race, but it doesn't look like BMW is doing all >that terribly this year (so far). > >right - it's been almost 30 years since a new entry mftr/engine supplier >scored a podium place in the first race. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:10:30 -0800 From: Jerry Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <e28> M5 control arm bushings Shiv, Regarding Dinan's "custom bushing", it's no different than what you'll get from Steve Haygood or Steve D'G (a 750 bushing turned down). Regarding Mr. Dinan's shop's technical capabilities and quality of work, I can say I know a number of people who could relate less than stellar results from their work. Like many businesses, Mr. Dinan has some people who are very sharp, and some that aren't. If you're lucky, and have an interesting performance project, the sharp ones will work on your car... but that may not be the case in the more mundane work orders. That's just life. :^) Like any larger shop, it will pay to get aligned with a good service writer. When the occasion arises for me to avail myself of Dinan's products, I always talk to Jeff Hecox. BTW, I have found Steve Dinan personally friendly and great to talk to at the track; he has a wealth of knowledge about the tracks I run here in NorCal, and shares it quite willingly - to a point, I'm sure! :^) Good luck, - -jerry Shiv Sikand wrote: > I was trying to establish if they have the same procedure for > modification and whether or not there is any known quality or > performance issue with one compared to the other. > > I know they both start from the same point, I was interested to know if > one can tell the difference from an engineering standpoint. > > Dinan may not be known for his prices or friendliness, but no one I know > faults his technical capabilities and quality of work. > > Thanks, > Shiv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:16:27 -0800 From: John Edward Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Euro E36 seat belts, weight loss and Saab motors >> possibility of all alloy body to keep weight down despite >> the cost penalty, rather than steel body with alloy subframes, >> suspension & brakes. > > I can buy the subframe, suspension and brake theory, but I wonder about > the validity of the alloy chassis. This car will have to be cheaper than, > or as cheap as, the 3 series, and previous use of expensive spaceframe > technology has not shown huge weight advantage so far. Audi's alloy A2 is > very light, at under 1000kg, but it's a still a small car that wouldn't > weigh much more if it was made of steel. Don't forget that the Audi A8 is an aluminum structure, though admittedly it's a pricey piece of hardware. The Lincoln LS, which is cut to a tighter budget than anything BMW does, uses aluminum front fenders, hood, etc. though nothing structural. >> weight target of 1000kg > > That'll be the day :). Oh, admittedly they'll have to leave the power widgets and two-dozen airbags off to hit that...that 'M2 roadster' is starting to sound a lot like a Honda S2000. > This question was aimed at Neil D but as John points out, Saab's V6 is > fundamentally a Euro-GM design. Saab persists with the blown I4 (based on > a Triumph 2000 engine, apparently!) because of the torque delivery, it's a > "clean" engine emissions-wise, and very efficient. And I've read that a > large proportion of Saab's loyal customer base won't consider anything > else. Saab's inline-fours started as a Triumph back in 1969, but have been redone a number of times since - by the mid '70s they had little in common with the Triumph pieces, as of '81 *nothing* in common, and they've been redone at least twice more since then. > countries. Including the Mercedes A-class, incidentally, whose diesel > versions are seemingly being bought by minicab firms by the boatload. It rather surprised me to see, when in Germany in '98 doing Euro delivery on our 540i, an imposing number of A-class cabs. John. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:37:24 -0500 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 750 Thrust Arm Bushings You don't need to spend a lot of money on these for your E28 or E24 car. Pick up a pair of fluid filled 750i bushings (the green ones made by Boge) and take the center down equally on both sides so it fits perfectly in your subframe. I use a 20hp Leadwell lathe but you can use a few hand tools around the shop. Now machine a few mm off the steel casing equally on both sides so this will not contact the subframe with side deflection of the arm. If your thrust arms are in very good shape except for the bushing, you can simply replace the bushings...on the car with an OTC7249 or you can carefully remove the old arms with the proper ball joint press (you dont want to damage the ball joint side) and 5-10 tons with your shop press and proper sized arbor. I personally would rather replace the thrust arms with new Lemforder/oe components at this time. This way you can use a bit more force and a separator fork to muscle the old ones out. Pick up a new set of arms from your favorite parts supplier and press in your newly machined bushings. Be careful using a shop vice and big socket in lieu of a press and arbor....you may break the handle off the vice or puncture the bushing (remember, these are fluid filled) with a poor fitting socket. SD (PS- these bushings work great in E32/E34 cars without the machining) ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.ultimategarage.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:42:16 -0500 From: Ken W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] animal oil in K&N filter oils So I got a recharger kit for my K&N filter and was nauseated to see that the oils contain animal oil! Anyone have info on that? I called K&N to find out what the deal is, and after a bit of floundering the guy asked me if I was an animal rights activist. No one could or would tell me anything. Makes me want to get an ITG. - -Ken '91 M3 '86 GTI - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ScopusFest ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #528 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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