[uucdigest] Wednesday, June 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 3902 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] RE: Speed......... [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] Re: Deals Gap [Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Justification for Higher Education [Erik Rutberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Re: Deals Gap [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] RE: S54 ["KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] RE: Spoilers Schmoilers ["Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] speed.... ["Jack Siembab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: Deal's Gap ["Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: speed, and a location to do it in Florida...... [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] Re: Speed [Jeff Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: speed, and Florida [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Speed [Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] RE: Spoilers Schmoilers ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Re:Spoilers Schmoilers [steve lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Re: Deal's Gap ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] pissin' contest, was: Re: [uuc] speed.... :-) [Don Eilenberger <deilenber] Re: [uuc] Re: Deal's Gap ["Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] RE: Garage full of Dreams ["KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:17:04 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: Speed......... Fastest on 2 wheels - 155 indicated mph. '95 Honda VFR 750. Flat out. Fastest in the 540 - 145 indicated mph. Ken Kemper ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Deals Gap Ben G. wrote: >Don't ride it in a car or you will annoy the motorcyclists >and barf at least twice before you get to the end! I don't remember any >straights longer than a few hundred feet at any place. Ben, in that case (almost no straights) won't a car outcorner a bike? I remember seeing a video of a Schnitzer M3 vs a Kawasaki bike (both driven by hot-shoe Nurburgring drivers) and the M3 would catch the bike in the corners, the bike would accelerate better out of the corners but in the long straight the M3 had a higher top speed and it passed the motorcycle. Are you the same Ben Greisler that rallies? :) If so I believe one of our chapter members bought a 318ti (M3 motor) that either you drove or co-drove. Small world. Carlos Motor City Chapter 91 M3 <--will never see a Rally course, not the way you people beat on cars! :-) :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:40:44 -0400 From: Erik Rutberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Justification for Higher Education Here is my list: Price Dependent: E28 ///M5 ///Mcoupe (new engine) E30 325iX touring 2002 turbo Price independent: e28 ///M5 (again) McLaren F1 (of course) ///M1 328 roadster (1936-41?) 3.0 CSL factory Batmobile 507 to park in the house Price dependent Modifeds: e28 ///M5 (yet again. My current daily driver) 318ti, supercharged (already have one) ///M6 E30 ///M3 Price independent modifieds: e28 & e34 ///M5 Dinan turbos 318ti, with euro ///M3 turbo M1 Grp. 5 3.0 CSL (Modified ///M5 6-cyl.) Obviously I like my e28 ///M5 a little bit. Erik Rutberg 2001 Z3 roadster 3.0 (wife's car) 1997 318ti sport, supercharged and much more 1988 ///M5, Dinan stage 3 susp and more 1985 735iA 1973 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:46:22 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Deals Gap Yes, Carlo, I am the past cobuilder/codriver/co-etc of that 318ti rally car. It is a great car and even better than the old E30 M3 rally car we had built. Fun stuff! Rick and I were glad to see it go to a worthy team. They did great at the Ski Sawmill Rally Right School and Race. Good guys and we wish them well. As for Deals Gap, motorcycle versus car: The bike will wipe any car on that road. The road is very narrow and the car has no choice but to simply follow the paving. the bike has the chance to actually set up a "line" and run the road efficiently. If the road was as wide as the Nurburgring, it would be a different story. I have driven the Nurburgring and have had the pleasure of riding in the Ring Taxi while it passed a sport bike! Yee ha! Ben Greisler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:45:48 -0700 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: S54 Brett, a) Are those cam lobes treated with graphite? They seem to be a darker color then normal. b) Why the strange re-entrant profile on those lobes? Nice touches on the oil traps on the bumpstick. Are those two oil spray bars? Appearances are a high level of refinement but simplicity at the same time. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:53:26 -0400 From: "Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Spoilers Schmoilers I saw 133 a little over 2 years ago in my '88 911. It had more in it, but I'd only owned the car for 20 hours and I chickened out. A bow to the original topic of this thread: this car doesn't have the Carrera "whale tail" or matching front spoiler, and this was one of the very few times since I've owned it that I missed them. Under 100 mph the "whale tail" is only useful for resting tools and detailing supplies on. For policemen taking notes: this incident (followed by nearly 90 minutes of low triple-digit cruising) occurred on I-90 Westbound in the great state of Montana approximately 3 weeks before the "Reasonable and Prudent" speed limit was removed. It was sunny, there was no traffic, and the entire episode would be considered reasonable, prudent, and lots of fun. No personal land speed records in BMWs yet, as I haven't found the right place for it here in Florida. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:03:45 -0700 From: "Jack Siembab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] speed.... 156 MPH ... 91M5 Chipped... - -Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:02:43 -0400 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Deal's Gap hmm. Death wish? Shifter cart. Geeeze '88 325is race car for sale http://patdonahue.com/forsale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:05:28 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: speed, and a location to do it in Florida...... Try the Howard Franklin Bridge between Tampa and St. Pete. Plenty of room, 5 lanes wide each direction (big, fat roomy lanes at that), no place for radar (at least not so much that you would get caught if you have a decent detector), and traffic at night is light enough to open her up. >>No personal land speed records in BMWs yet, as I haven't found the right >>place for it here in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:58:31 -0700 From: Jeff Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Speed 1st, Of course only to confirm that my JimC software had in fact removed the top speed limiter, I have taken my 98 M3 up to about 147mph indicated. I was amazed because it was still pulling and the tach was still climbing steadily. I am pretty sure it would have gone all the way to red line in 5th. This was done out on I 505 in california on the way to thunderhill. Very empty, very straight, and still very scary : o As a side note, I did this a couple of times with my stock MXX3 set up and the car was extremely stable and ran straight and true. I've also done this a couple of times with my new Yoko AVS sports (235/40 up front) and they were much more skittish and felt like they were hunting around on the road as compared to the MXX3s. FWIW I've also taken a 993 Twin Turbo to red line in fourth gear I have no idea what the indicated speed was. I was way too afraid to even look down at the speedo, but it was very fast and it got there way before I was ready for it. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:10:44 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: speed, and Florida Oh, and it's also something like 18 miles long............... >Try the Howard Franklin Bridge between Tampa and St. Pete. Plenty of room, 5 >lanes wide each direction (big, fat roomy lanes at that), no place for radar >(at least not so much that you would get caught if you have a decent >detector), and traffic at night is light enough to open her up. >>No personal land speed records in BMWs yet, as I haven't found the right >>place for it here in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Speed Fastest? However fast Hans Stuck had that Group 4 M1 at the end of the front straight at Putnam Park. O'fest '99. ;-0 Carlos (no dammit, I'm lying and I'm an idiot for not buying a ticket!) 91 M3 <--maybe 125 at Grattan x95 M3 <--140 at SIR and I about pooped my pants bef. turn 2, I passed another E36 M3 into 1, whoopsy... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:04:43 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Spoilers Schmoilers No Montana trooper would consider that "reasonable and proper". I got a warning for 93 mph there. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I saw 133 a little over 2 years ago in my '88 911. It had more in it, but > I'd only owned the car for 20 hours and I chickened out. > > A bow to the original topic of this thread: this car doesn't have the > Carrera "whale tail" or matching front spoiler, and this was one of the very > few times since I've owned it that I missed them. Under 100 mph the "whale > tail" is only useful for resting tools and detailing supplies on. > > For policemen taking notes: this incident (followed by nearly 90 minutes of > low triple-digit cruising) occurred on I-90 Westbound in the great state of > Montana approximately 3 weeks before the "Reasonable and Prudent" speed > limit was removed. It was sunny, there was no traffic, and the entire > episode would be considered reasonable, prudent, and lots of fun. > > No personal land speed records in BMWs yet, as I haven't found the right > place for it here in Florida. > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:18:36 -0700 From: steve lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:Spoilers Schmoilers I'll second Ed's motion - I've seen just short of 140 indicated on a few occasions crossing straight, flat, and empty stretches of CA and AZ desert in my bone-stock E28. Of course, my speedo could be optimistic. steve '87 535is On 6/19/01 10:23 PM, "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree. I have seen in excess of 138 indicated, probably well over > 130 in my stock E28 and it still had RPM, pedal and oomph left. I was > deficient in the spheres category (and the car had been sitting in > Tennessee for most its life) > > Ed > > Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: >> >> I disagree. >> >> I could never get a stock E28 to go over 127mph. 130? Couldn't happen. >> Aerodynamics of a sheet of plywood. >> >> Must've been the "longtail" effect of the spoilers on the modified E28s that >> let me push them to... well, let's not talk about that, okay? ;-) >> >> - Rob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:13:33 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Deal's Gap That would be tough if the road were rough. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > hmm. Death wish? Shifter cart. > > Geeeze > '88 325is race car for sale > http://patdonahue.com/forsale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:27:55 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: pissin' contest, was: Re: [uuc] speed.... :-) >From: "Evan Arnerich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] speed.... > >1st wrote: > > >Rob started it, Who has gone the fastest here on wheels? > > I have gone 128 or so. I know I am on the low end. > >You may want to qualify that question like this: > >Who has gone the fastest here on no more than 4 wheels? > >There are a few trains and planes (just before takeoff and after landing) >that'll beat most cars. > >Evan (your 128 beats my 110 on two wheels BTW) If we wanted to really qualify it - how fast on a public road.. but nope - not gonna go there. Observed via Smiths Instruments speedo in my '65 XKE - 140MPH, top down for about 10 minutes (of course done on a closed - sorta - course, with a professional driver [me]..) That's as fast as the factory claimed, and as fast as it would go without being dropped from a plane. Despite their reputation for poor-reliability (HA!) - the Smiths were noted for being somewhat accurate.. I used to see 115MPH on my '75 Norton Commando - on an actual private closed course {front entrance road to Bell-Labs in Holmdel NJ} on a fairly regular basis.. bike would have gone faster if I didn't run out of road (sharp bend at the end..) Guards once chased me - didn't catch me with their jeep.. :-) And we got 137MPH - observed on optimistic BMW speedo on my 1985 K100RT - on a dyno :-) Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If you don't know concentration, which gives you peculiar pleasure, your life looks like hell. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:31:05 From: "Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Deal's Gap >hmm. Death wish? Shifter cart. Now that's an idea I can really enjoy! Gilbert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:34:52 -0700 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Garage full of Dreams Price no object- Porsche GT2 McClaren F1 GT Mark40 Dinan 750 TT and strocked F1 type 18 wheeler (like Ferrari's). "Normal stuff- Land Cruiser or Sierra E46 M3 Toyota Tundra E39 M5 (Schnitered, Hammaned, or Alpina'd whichever) E46 M Coupe Deuce and a half enclosed with A/C , fridge, and retrofitted with tools and work area. And others..... - -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #3902 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. 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