[uucdigest] Friday, June 22 2001 Volume 03 : Number 3915 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record ["Joao T. da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] Speed [Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: <E28> Failed Emissions ["Brant M. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] WTB: e36 or e30 M3 (building a track car) ["jedinite" <bimmer@jedin] [uuc] 97 M3 Vanos Question ["James McMillan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record [Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <E30> EBC Brake Pads? [Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <WOB> male driver's observation (long statistical rant) [W8LFTRFL@a] [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? [Neil Deshpande <neildeshpande@yahoo] Re: [uuc] <E36> Euro Motor Conversion? [Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record [Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: New Nurburgring record [Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? ["Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:43:01 -0300 From: "Joao T. da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record We are not talking about just any V12 engine here. The questions here, IMHO, are: 1- How fast would the V12 LMR car lap the Nordschleife? 2 - Would it be feasible for BMW to produce a de-tuned version of that V12 for the street? How powerful would that be? Joao T. da Costa Sao Paulo, Brazil '97 E36/5 318ti '89 E30 M3 >Dan wrote: > >>in summary, Hans broke the 8:00 mark in a specially-prepped V12 X5. >>i'm not a big fan of them SUVs, but that's gotta' be one fast SUV. >>>how long before the Cayenne attempts to match that? > >The real scary thing is that the time is faster than both the E39 M5 >and E46 M3...and the F355...and the 996 GT3. > >Gilbert >_________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:40:43 -0700 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Speed Thomas G. Clark said in a recent post...1. One day a guy on a 12-speed bike was ticketed for going 50 on this road. It was the first time I ever heard of anyone on a bike getting a ticket. A friend of mine and I were screaming through Watertown Square (Boston suburb) one time many years ago, and one of Watertown's finest pulled us over and gave us speeding tickets for 45 in a 25. The officer was really angry with us, both for speeding, as well as for laughing ourselves silly. He was very serious, and we were too stoned at the time to take _anything_ very seriously. We went to court and the judge dismissed the case because we were not driving motorized vehicles. The judge gave us a pretty big smile as we departed the vicinity of the bench. Steve Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:52:23 -0700 From: "Brant M. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <E28> Failed Emissions Jeff - Failed NOx with all else in spec suggests high combustion temperatures. Does your engine have a knock sensor? Has it failed? Is your timing correctly set? Of course, if all else is not really in spec, lean mixture becomes a possibility, etc. Brant <<<<<From: Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> failed emissions Well, my 535i finally failed an emissions test. I know this question comes up fairly frequently, so is there some nice troublshooting info out there that someone can point me to? Yes, I had the car nice and hot, and it was the NO that was high(way out, not just a tiny bit over the line). Thanks. - - --Jeff>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:02:35 -0500 From: "jedinite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB: e36 or e30 M3 (building a track car) Everyone, Looking to buy an e36 M3 or an e30 M3 as a second car to turn into a dedicated (road legal) track car. I prefer a stock (or very close to stock) e36 M3, preferably a 1995. In a perfect world, I would prefer a car with a great drivetrain, a decent body, and a trashed interior. I would love to be able to consider a lightweight, if one is available for sale. The car will be essentially gutted and turned into a dedicated CCA racer, track car, and OneLap entrant. I would strongly prefer to do the prep work myself, rather than purchasing a pre-modified track car. Please contact me if anyone has an appropriate car for sale. I will monitor follow-up responses here, but direct email response would be preferred. Thanks! ~jedinite http://bmw.jedinite.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:25:21 -0600 From: "James McMillan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 97 M3 Vanos Question At 95k I have begun to hear a rattling coming from the location of the vanos system above 1200 RPM. For those that have had the problem, how long before replacement/repair is needed? How much time needed and cost for parts and repairs? Thanks, James R. McMillan aka M3INCORP 97 M3 Colorado ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:27:24 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record Gilbert Hoffman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> in summary, Hans broke the 8:00 mark in a specially-prepped V12 X5. i'm >> not a big fan of them SUVs, but that's gotta' be one fast SUV. >how long >> before the Cayenne attempts to match that? > > The real scary thing is that the time is faster than both the E39 M5 and E46 > M3...and the F355...and the 996 GT3. You're surprised? The X5 LM has something like 700 HP and AWD. There was a great writeup of it in C&D and Automobile and likely every other car mag a couple of months back. - - Mark '97 Carrera S '97 528i 5-spd '88 M3, track car, soon to be a JS racer - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:52:24 -0400 From: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E30> EBC Brake Pads? Tabe sez > Has anyone on the list used EBC Green or Red brake pads? How did they > behave relative to others you've used? > A fellow at the last driving school I went to (BMW Club of Quebec, Sanair) was driving a VR6 Corrado and went through the EBC RED ('track') pads half way through the first day! He went through a second pair before he had gone through the second day and it was raining! The layout @ Sanair was sort of a cobbled together road course (part of an oval, part of a drag strip, some other bits) and was not particularly hard on brakes... EBC Suck!!! YMMV Chris Pawlowicz '89 325i - Pagid Sports (blue) *very* nice, dust a little bit ;) '74 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:11:19 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <WOB> male driver's observation (long statistical rant) Not my story, but an amusing bunch of statistics that were passed on to me by a friend. (I think this one originated in California or New York.) Phil 92 E36/M50 Thankful for the minimal traffic (compared to this anyway) in the FL panhandle! A Male Driver's Observation: I was riding to work yesterday when I observed a female driver cut right in front of a pickup truck causing him to have to drive on to the shoulder to avoid hitting her. This evidently angered the driver enough that he hung his arm out his window and flipped the woman off. "Man, that guy is stupid," I thought to myself. I ALWAYS smile nicely and wave in a sheepish manner whenever a female does anything to me in traffic, and here's why: I drive 48 miles each way every day to work, that's 96 miles each day. Of these, 16 miles each way is bumper-to-bumper. Most of the bumper-to-bumper is on an 8 lane highway, so if you just look at the 7 lanes I am not in, that means I pass a new car something like every 40 feet per lane. That's 7 cars every 40 feet for 32 miles. That works out to be 982 cars every mile, or 31,424 cars. Even though the rest of the 32 miles is not bumper to bumper, I figure I pass at least another 4000 cars. That brings the number to something like 36,000 cars I pass every day. Statistically, half of these are driven by females, that's 18,000. In any given group of females, 1 in 28 are having the worst day of their period. That's 642. According to Cosmopolitan, 70% describe their love life as dissatisfying or unrewarding. That's 449. According to the National Institute of Health, 22% of all females have seriously considered suicide or homicide. That's 98. And, 34% describe men as their biggest problem. That's 33. According to the National Rifle Association, 5% of all females carry weapons and this number is increasing. This means, that EVERY SINGLE DAY I drive past at least one female that has a lousy love life, thinks men are her biggest problem, has seriously considered suicide or homicide, is having the worst day of her period, and is armed. Flip one off? I think not. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? Gruppe: Paul England and I drove a 100% stock Zinnoberrot 1988 M6, 81k miles, on Wednesday. I was, of course, comparing it to my 1992 M5 as was Paul, probably. I must confess I was unimpressed and this is from someone who is not a power junkie and drives a 1988 325 iS with perfect happiness. 1. The steering seemed a bit inferior to my M5 and I guess this is from the lower ratio (14.5 vs 13.5?) and from the lack of servotronic? Comments? 2. The car appears to pivot about a point more rearward than the M5 does when steering, giving the a boatlike impression. Any idea why? I was a bit upset by this and found it the least pleasant thing of all. 3. The suspension appeared to lack stiffness. But at 81k miles should this be so? Perhaps the heavier car makes for a faster suspension degradation than an E30, but my 68k-mile M5 is a lot tighter. 4. The transmission was smooth, but the you had to reach forward for the lever. A bit of an ergonomic throwback. I found this a little odd, but no doubt a bent shift lever would fix it easily. 5. Power appeared to be a lot lower than my M5. Could this be the low-down torque or just the top end? I'm not sure, but is appeared to be quick, but not rapid. I've always thought both my 88 iS and my 92 M5 as being quite rapid. 6. The quality of the interior appeared to be worse than the E30 88 iS. The plastic bits did not mesh as well (particularly the bits covering the vertical panel just below the windscreen. Is this correct or did I just drive a crappy car? I'd welcome any comments as I really like the M6 and am kind of thinking that if some things fall into place I'd like to dump my 89 iC and take on another car that will be a little less than perfect so I can do some mods as wanted (rather than repairs as needed) to it. My fiancee is tending to the E30 M3 so I'm thinking E24 M6. As a matter of interest, Paul England was driving my M5 post the test-drive when a 1985 Euro 635Csi with the tag M6GEEK pulled up alongside him. The driver said he had some recent engine work done and was putting out 300 HP or so. It appeared to be Diamantschwarz (though much peeled) and Paul and I both thought it would look pretty cool in Carbon Black. Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> Euro Motor Conversion? Neil Deshpande wrote: >Could this be fitted to an E36 non-M or would you need a US M3 to >carry out the conversion? Fun question Neil, I've often wondered what is necessary for the basic conversion. Note that quite a few folks have done this to 318ti's so that answers the non-M part. Now you'd think that if this were just a street/school car and not an all out racer like those two, you'd want it done to an E36 M3 so you can have the M3 suspension (frt control arms/offset bushing/subframe[read easy to install x-brace], rear ///M trailing arms, larger brakes, etc...) and also so that you're able to run wider rims/tires. Those two started with M3s, one is a 97 Lux, the other a 95. I'd hate to find out what those two guys have spent on those cars, they each weigh about ~2700 lbs. Youssaaahhh!!! :-) Carlos 91 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:46:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record Dan Hermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: >>in summary, Hans broke the 8:00 mark in a specially-prepped V12 X5. >>i'm not a big fan of them SUVs, but that's gotta' be one fast SUV. Hey I wonder if it got up on two wheels??? :-) :-) You know two wheels like the X5 at the Golden Gate aut..o.... oh nevermind. ;-) (someone has to fill in for S. Miller!) Carlos Motor City Chapter 91 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:01:23 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: New Nurburgring record on 6/22/01 5:36 PM, "Dan Hermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hans Stuck Sets Record in BMW at Nurburgring: > http://www.americanlemans.com/News/News.asp?ID=279 > > in summary, Hans broke the 8:00 mark in a specially-prepped V12 X5. i'm not > a big fan of them SUVs, but that's gotta' be one fast SUV. The really impressive thing was the observed top speed of 194 mph! Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:02:27 -0400 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? Most likely the feel of the M6 would improve greatly if you replaced all the bushings, springs, and dampers with stock units. Sitting still on the suspension as much as that car had to with the low mileage puts a constant load on everything in one direction which tends to leave a lasting impression. If you ever want to feel a really nimble 6-series I'd invite you to hook a ride with one Dwight Derr in his 633i. He's gone way past stock replacement parts though. As for the feeling of speed, that can be a factor of both the slack suspension and the seats. I once drove an 840i and thought it was sluggish until I watched the speedo. The suspension and seat just absorbed the feeling of being pinned in the seat. Of course the motor probably could use some TLC. Geeeze From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul England and I drove a 100% stock Zinnoberrot 1988 > M6, 81k miles, on Wednesday. I was, of course, > comparing it to my 1992 M5 as was Paul, probably. > > 1. The steering seemed a bit inferior to my M5 and I > guess this is from the lower ratio (14.5 vs 13.5?) and > from the lack of servotronic? Comments? > > 2. The car appears to pivot about a point more > rearward than the M5 does when steering, giving the a > boatlike impression. Any idea why? I was a bit upset > by this and found it the least pleasant thing of all. > > 3. The suspension appeared to lack stiffness. But at > 81k miles should this be so? Perhaps the heavier car > makes for a faster suspension degradation than an E30, > but my 68k-mile M5 is a lot tighter. > > 5. Power appeared to be a lot lower than my M5. Could > this be the low-down torque or just the top end? I'm > not sure, but is appeared to be quick, but not rapid. > I've always thought both my 88 iS and my 92 M5 as > being quite rapid. > > I'd welcome any comments as I really like the M6 and > am kind of thinking that if some things fall into > place I'd like to dump my 89 iC and take on another > car that will be a little less than perfect so I can > do some mods as wanted (rather than repairs as needed) > to it. My fiancee is tending to the E30 M3 so I'm > thinking E24 M6. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #3915 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. "Chicago's Premier Automotive Appearance | Center" . http://www.detailwerkschicago.com |==================================================== | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com |==================================================== | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
