[uucdigest] Saturday, June 23 2001 Volume 03 : Number 3916 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] <E30> Mintex Pads? ["Mitchell Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Q-tips ["BMW4AMF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] NEED HUB CAPS FOR HARTGE 17" WHEELS [Al Stensby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] '86 325 won't start ["Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] oil in throttle body ["Timothy Shandonay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] <E36> Euro Motor Conversion? [Neil Deshpande <neildeshpande@yah] [uuc] Considering a 6er [Bora Akyol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record [Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re:Speed... ["The Jacob's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] oil in throttle body [Dog-n-Hog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record ["Joao T. da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] NEED HUB CAPS FOR HARTGE 17" WHEELS ["Pat Donahue" <Pat@patdona] Re: [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? [Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:28:12 -0400 From: "Mitchell Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E30> Mintex Pads? Call Bekkers They have them.. in Atlanta too. Mitch - ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: [uuc] <E30> Mintex Pads? > Gruppe: > > Anyone know of a source for Mintex Street pads? I'd > like them for my 88 iS. Ireland Engineering only has > the fronts and I'd rather not have double shipping. > Somewhere in Atlanta would be nice. > > Neil Deshpande > http://www.neilwerke.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:48:05 -0700 From: "BMW4AMF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Q-tips Hey Steve, you left out that I wash and wax my frame before four wheeling!! Andrei - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Albrecht Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:25 AM To: BMW Digest Subject: [uuc] Q-tips Jim Bassett writes...He autocrosses the car, does all the GGC drivers schools AND the car is a garage queen. Thanks for the compliment Jim. My wife caught me one afternoon under the hood with a handful of Q-tips and a can of Goof-Off. She laughed so hard I thought she was going to have a stroke. I bought some stock in Johnson & Johnson last week (Q-tip manufacturers) because I can see the purchase of those items increasing. My wife's new 540 has the three piece 17" wheels with all those rivets around the rim. Those are going to be a real challenge to keep clean. For another perspective, perhaps we can talk Andrei into telling us about painting and clear coating the frame of his pick-up truck, the one with the supercharger. Steve Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:54:22 -0700 From: Al Stensby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] NEED HUB CAPS FOR HARTGE 17" WHEELS I have four beautiful Hartge 17" wheels but only three hub caps. I have tried all over the internet and have visited the Hartge Distributor in Huntington Beach, Ca, No luck. Does Hartke have a web site, it's not hartge.com. Where can I get a hubcap or hubcaps? The wheels have a casting number of H6765.111 and the caps have a casting number of H0571. They are silver with an overall diamater of 6-1/4". Any help is appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:59:57 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] '86 325 won't start My son's '86 325 won't start. Cranks but no spark that I can tell. Does it have a port to plug in the Peake code reader? I have the one with the adapter for older cars but can't find the plug port if it has one. Start diagnosis tomorrow, coil, etc. Any suggestions appreciated. TIA Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched Soon to be Braced ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:56:19 -0400 From: "Timothy Shandonay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] oil in throttle body Hello folks... In trying to smooth out a rough idle, I decided to clean the throttle body this evening. What I found was a fair amount of oil. I did expect it to be dirty....but not with oil. Any ideas why this is happening or what needs to be fixed to stop this? If I'm completely screwed....please don't tell me at all!! Thanks again. Tim 88 iX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> Euro Motor Conversion? Carlos: "Note that quite a few folks have done this to 318ti's so that answers the non-M part." Good observation! "Now you'd think that if this were just a street/school car and not an all out racer like those two, you'd want it done to an E36 M3 so you can have the M3 suspension (frt control arms/offset bushing/subframe[read easy to install x-brace], rear ///M trailing arms, larger brakes, etc...) and also so that you're able to run wider rims/tires. Those two started with M3s, one is a 97 Lux, the other a 95." I was thinking of a basic Euro M3 recreation. Nothing more than that. Good point about it being better in the M3 shell. I drove my first E36 M3 ever this week and it really is a nice car. I was pretty impressed. "I'd hate to find out what those two guys have spent on those cars, they each weigh about ~2700 lbs. Youssaaahhh!!! :-)" I bet I would not be more impressed than I was with all that driving. Wow! Makes me want to get into a driver's school right away. Once the 88 iS is ready and if I'm still around next year I'm surely going to give it a shot! Jack's win, the race (probably the first I've ever watched) and the M5 doing long-distance made the 600x2 miles feel like nothing! Wish I had the M5 when I made the 13 Columbus/OH-NYC trips that one year! Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:59:03 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Considering a 6er I am considering get either an M6 or a 635(3) csi as a third car. First, am I crazy? I had a Porsche 928 before and that car was a beast to maintain. How reliable are these cars? How easy are they to work on and learn on? Any suggestions on where to look for more info. Email off-list if desired too. I just like the way the 6-series cars look. Bora 95 M3 (maybe another M-car to keep it company -) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:48:27 -0700 From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record > We are not talking about just any V12 engine here. The > questions here, IMHO, are: > > 1- How fast would the V12 LMR car lap the Nordschleife? While I'm sure that is would be fast, keep in mind that the LMR chassis was designed to suit the low drag environment of Le Mans. Its relative lack of downforce was illustrated when it competed on the shorter and more complex circuits in the ALMS. > 2 - Would it be feasible for BMW to produce a de-tuned > version of that V12 for the street? How powerful would > that be? Well, it started life making 627 bhp in the McLaren F1 road car. When you take a closer look at the S70 and its variants, you'll find that it has compiled quite an impressive record, winning Le Mans twice in two different chassis, scoring various other wins in sports car racing, as well as serving as the power source for arguably the most impressive exotic road car of all time, the McLaren F1. It has proven to be powerful, durable, and efficient. Perhaps one day it will receive the recognition than it merits. Herman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 04:59:14 -0500 From: "The Jacob's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:Speed... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:44:09 -0400 > From: Eurowerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Speed... > > People usually want the E21 323i rear trailing arms so that they can use the rear > disc brakes that came on the 323i. Some of the 323's did have a limited slip > just like in the 320i"S" package cars...... > Yep, just like I said, it's a popular upgrade amongst the E21 crowd. Subscribe to our list and who knows what you will learn. But don't ask me, Brandon subscribes to this list also. He probably has forgotten more about the E21 than I know after driving them for twenty years and over a million miles! Jacob > > The Jacob's wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:44:19 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Ryan P Echlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:Speed... > > > > > > The 323i diff (e21) was limited slip, > > > > Ummm...NO, they were not! Ask me how I know... > > > > > and my butt-dyno combined with my > > > mk. 1 detection unit (eyeball) told me that the gearing had changed > > > somehow. I (I built up the car, then sold it to the mentioned friend) was > > > able to reach higher speeds with lower RPMs, which was part of the reason > > > for the change, as the 320i was a whiny little something something at > > > highway speeds before the diff swap. We actually just swapped a rear 323i > > > subframe onto the 320i, so we got the diff and the rear disk brakes. Only > > > other thing we had to change was the emergency brake cables. > > > > Nice upgrade, especially with an engine swap. There are posts on the E21 list > > occasionally by people looking for 323i rear trailing arms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for beating the Mustang, I think it was more a matter of how fast the > > > mustang wanted to go, not how fast it could go...then again, that 320i was > > > pretty fast... > > > > Like I said, those old rusty E21's are bad ass. Huh? Collie always drooled > > over them! > > > > Jacob...no M3 for me, give me the E21! >:) > > - -- > Kirk A. Gilchrist > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.euromajic.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 06:19:02 -0500 From: Dog-n-Hog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] oil in throttle body Its not unusual for some oil to be there (it comes from the valve cover breather hose that routes straight back around to the throttle body). Timothy Shandonay wrote: > > > Hello folks... > > In trying to smooth out a rough idle, I decided to clean the throttle > body this evening. What I found was a fair amount of oil. I did > expect it to be dirty....but not with oil. > > Any ideas why this is happening or what needs to be fixed to > stop this? > > If I'm completely screwed....please don't tell me at all!! > > Thanks again. > > Tim > 88 iX > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:43:11 -0300 From: "Joao T. da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Nurburgring record >> We are not talking about just any V12 engine here. The >> questions here, IMHO, are: >> >> 1- How fast would the V12 LMR car lap the Nordschleife? > >While I'm sure that is would be fast, keep in mind that the LMR >chassis was designed to suit the low drag environment of Le Mans. >Its relative lack of downforce was illustrated when it competed on >the shorter and more complex circuits in the ALMS. Very good point. But I imagine it still should do better than an X5... > >> 2 - Would it be feasible for BMW to produce a de-tuned >> version of that V12 for the street? How powerful would >> that be? > >Well, it started life making 627 bhp in the McLaren F1 road car. I didin't realize that there was a connection. > >When you take a closer look at the S70 and its variants, you'll find >that it has compiled quite an impressive record, winning Le Mans >twice in two different chassis, scoring various other wins in sports >car racing, as well as serving as the power source for arguably the >most impressive exotic road car of all time, the McLaren F1. > >It has proven to be powerful, durable, and efficient. Perhaps one >day it will receive the recognition than it merits. > >Herman Perhaps in the MT book? I want one (i.e. the book). Regarding recognition for BMW engines, 5 out of 12 engines of the year is not bad: http://www.testing-expo.com/engineoftheyear/categories.html not to mention the Porsche Prize for the engineers who developed Valvetronic (in German): http://www.tuwien.ac.at/pr/news/2001/010622A_porschepreis.htm Thanks for the info. Joao - -- Joao T. da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:09:47 -0400 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] NEED HUB CAPS FOR HARTGE 17" WHEELS Deutschland �ber alles! Try http://www.hartge.de/ since they're based in Germany. Geeeze From: "Al Stensby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have four beautiful Hartge 17" wheels but only three hub caps. I have > tried all over the internet and have visited the Hartge Distributor in > Huntington Beach, Ca, No luck. Does Hartke have a web site, it's not > hartge.com. > Where can I get a hubcap or hubcaps? The wheels have a casting number > of H6765.111 and the caps have a casting number of H0571. They are > silver with an overall diamater of 6-1/4". Any help is appreciated. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:46:48 -0400 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? A few thoughts: 1) Power The M6 was a couple of hundred pounds heavier than the E28 M5... was it maybe as much as 500lbs more? Whereas the E28 M5 and 3.6 E34 M5 have similar power to weight ratios, the M6's extra heft hurts. In addition, the S38 (as the M30) is very sensitive to good valve tuning and condition of the ignition parts. Even a fresh coil can make the car feel like it "woke up" and out-of-spec valve adjustment can really sap its energy. (side note: as I recall, BMW used to claim a quicker 0-60 _and_ higher top speed for the M6 vs. the M5... with a lower diff ratio, the latter claim must surely have been marketing despite the questionably better aerodynamics of the coupe.) 2) Suspension feel Besides another generation (actually 1.5 generations) of suspension development, the M6's coupe body is noticeably less stiff than the contemporary E28 sedan, and certainly much less so than the newer E34. Chassis flex would noticeably affect suspension feel, especially in a car that long. I said "1.5 generations" because the original 6-series of the late '70s was E12-based. The major facelift in '82 was little more than revised rear suspension from the E28 and tweaked sheetmetal/interior. 3) Interior BMWs of that era, if taken apart repeatedly or just left in the sun, can start to look crappy inside as their plastics and leather age. And once again, a generation of development goes a long way. Another thing to consider is that the E24 was not entirely a BMW design (was it Guigaro that had a part?)... as such, much of the fit-and-finish integration of major components is not up to BMW's normal standards (note the frameless door glass, unique in any of the larger BMWs). The interior switchgear, gauges, etc., are all converted E28 parts. This also explains the too-forward shifter. 4) "Pivoting rearward" In a car of that age, I would really suspect a lot of the bushings have deteriorated... bad subframe, diff mount, and dog bones can cause that "swing axle" feel and floatiness. Overall, the 6-series cars (particularly the very early and very late examples) are beautiful machines. However, like any car, you must take them in the context of their time. Let's face it, BMW does not introduce a new chassis just for the fun of it. Technology and materials improve and although many of us like to think of ourselves as "purists", i.e. "there's only one real 'X'"), it is a pretty good bet that the newer version of a model will always be a better car, albeit different in some characteristics. Every new model launch is scrutinized by "defenders of the faith" who sunk good money into the outgoing model and they will find any little thing to pick on about the newer one to bolster the image of their soon-to-be "old model". I admit to the very same thing, I used to think of the E34 as an overweight pig with boring looks compared to my faithful E28s. Then I drove an E34 (thanks Pat!). It took another year or two to come around, but suddenly I found an E34 in my driveway with my name on the title. What about the E39? Luckily for me at this point, it does not draw me enough to make a change. Is it a better car? I would be kidding myself if I said no. Do I still prefer the more-raw E34? (A laughable question compared to the more-more-raw E28s I had!) Yes, actually. For me, the E34 still holds enough character and "close enough" performance (especially since Jim did the software and Brett did the 6-speed and diff change) to stick with it. Do I hanker for more power and the toys of the newer cars? You're damn skippy I do. Project X. - - Rob http://www.robertlevinson.com too many six cylinder BMWs: '94 M5 3.8 Touring ex-'88 M5 3.88 Turbo ex-'85 535i Turbo ex-'86 535i ex-'85 535i > From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] <E34/E24> M5 Vs M6? Comments? > > Paul England and I drove a 100% stock Zinnoberrot 1988 M6, 81k miles, on > Wednesday. I was, of course, comparing it to my 1992 M5 as was Paul, > probably. > I must confess I was unimpressed and this is from someone who is not a power > junkie and drives a 1988 325 iS with perfect happiness. > > <snip> > > Neil Deshpande > http://www.neilwerke.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #3916 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. 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