[uucdigest] Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4029 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? ["Christian Els" <tiAn@usi] [uuc] Re: Model Years (was E30 Seats) [Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <E36> Question on '94 325is M-Technik ["Scott Miller Family" <bimme] [uuc] Re: Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? [Mike Whitney <whit@attglob] [uuc] Re:language police [Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? [Jim Ochi <jochi@ricochet.] RE: [uuc] Re: Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? ["Keith Tsang" <ktsang1] [uuc] Re:language police [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Re:language police ["Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] WTB - E30 passenger window operator ["Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <r] Re: [uuc] Re:language police ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? ["Money, Jack (J.J.)" <jmo] Re: [uuc] Re:language police [Brad Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Re: Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? ["matthew c. mead" <mm] Re: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? [Eurowerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:02:49 -0500 From: "Christian Els" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? I just put a set of Kumho 712's on my '94 E36 325i (225/50/ZR16's) and I have to say I love the way they drive. I only have about 3k miles on them so far, still look like new, but haven't measured actual wear yet. Even if I only get 25K out of them, I'll be happy based on how well they work. I have not had the pleasure of driving on SP8000's but I have gone through a few sets of D40M2's - can anyone comment on the differences between those? The Kumho are miles better than the D40's and even better than my former personal standard RE71's. Cheers, Christian Els '94 325i - getting there...Bilsteins, OE Sport springs, M3 bushings/bearings/brackets in the garage waiting for me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:41:28 -0400 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Model Years (was E30 Seats) Pat Donahue wrote: >Check your facts?? My brother's '95 M3 was built in May or June of '94 and >I seem to remember they built '95 M3s half way through '96 so they didn't >have to do all the updates. '94 M3s (US) came out very early in '94, probably February production without checking in buried files. However, they built them only up until and through December 1995. The '96 M3 (US) didn't go into production until around March of '96 and was only produced for about three months. - -Phil Marx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:46:23 -0700 From: "Scott Miller Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> Question on '94 325is M-Technik BMW made a limited number of '94 325is M-Technik cars which, if I understand correctly, had the same suspension as a '95 M3, but still had the stock 325is engine and drivetrain. Does anyone know if this car had a stock limited slip diff? Was the final drive ratio the same as a 325is? Any help appreciated, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:41:36 -0400 From: Mike Whitney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? I replaced Dunlop 8000s on my Integra with Kumho 712s, so I can offer some back-to-back experiences. They are actually very comparable tires. Both tires have similar and great dry and wet grip. I believe the Dunlops have a little stiffer sidewalls, so the Kumhos feel a bit squirmier. The Kumhos make more noise at the limit than the Dunlops. The Kumhos wear noticeably better (280 treadwear versus 200), and are less expensive. For street or auto-x/track use, I would definitely buy either again. Great tires for the price, with a slight preference to the Kumhos for wear and price. But if you can get 8000s for the same price, they do offer a little higher performance. All IMHO. - -- Mike Whitney - [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Gum Racing - http://pws.prserv.net/whitney/nogum.html 97 Integra GS-R, 93 Miata LE, 89 BMW 325is ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:language police Shane: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Since words like Internet and Modem are new words and are English, the non - English speaking Europeans are forced to use them, rather than use their own terms. Though my understanding is that there are movements to end this practice by inventing new French and German words to prevent the introduction of new English words into the vocabulary. Maybe it's about time we did the same." There was a similar movement in Hindi to eradicate the English that had made its way into the language. The resulting 'pure' works were so ridiculous they became the subject of endless jokes. Here is one example: Railway Station BECAME Loha-Puthh-Gaamini-Gumun-Agumun-Sthhal, meaning "Where that which comes and goes on steel paths stops" I for one stuck with station! Even my Hindi teacher in school could not remember the pure form. I guess we could do what the Germans do and call it LoPaGaGaA-Sthhal (U-Bahn style) or something, but that sounds even sillier! BTW, initials are phonetic even in Hindi, so Neil Deshpande would be Nei. Deshpande (written in the Devanagiri script, of course), much like Johann Sebastian Bach is Joh. Seb. Bach in German, at least on the books we have at home. Now, if you started removing foreign words from English, you would be left without some interesting Hindi contributions like guru, pundit (the Pande in my last name is a pundit derivative!), verandah, glass (I think), mullygatawny (Andy T?), etc. Neil Deshpande - formal, but not pure! http://www.neilwerke.com P.S. Handkerchief became hand-held piece of bath cloth! Hasthh-something snaini vasthra khund! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:10:32 -0700 From: Jim Ochi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? I have about 10K miles on my Kumho 712's, and by rough estimate they're about half gone, maybe a smidge less. That's not bad, considering I'm running a huge (for the street...) amount of negative camber. They stick fairly well and are very progressive and controllable. Ran them in one autox when I was too lazy to change tires, and they felt really good. A bit slow compared to R tires (of course!), but they stuck well and were very easy to control. Downside is that they seem to be harsher and noisier than my last set of tires, the Yokohama AVS Sports. Anyway, I got them because they're cheap. Since I leave my daily driver in autox trim all year long, it's not worth buying expensive tires just to burn off the inside edge because of my alignment. And, I have R tires when I want to have fun. So far, I've been very happy with them. Jim Ochi [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:57 PM 7/17/2001 -0400, Money, Jack (J.J.) wrote: >Keith, > >I've *heard* that the Khumo's don't wear very well. I know the Dunlops wear >pretty well, especially on the street. Personally I really like the Dunlops >and recommend them all the time. They're awesome in the wet too! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:32:10 -0700 From: "Keith Tsang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? Wow, thanks for all the replies guys, I think I'll go with the dunlops, I figure I can always try out the kumho's sometime later when I wear out the dunlops. I get the general impression the dunlops perform better but the kumho's are more comfortable. But the dunlops can't be worse comfort wise than the RE-71's I have currently (which I really wish I could buy another set, but too bad they are out of production) since I believe the RE-71's have a stiffer side wall. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:20:55 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re:language police "Since words like Internet and Modem are new words and are English, the non - English speaking Europeans are forced to use them, rather than use their own terms. Though my understanding is that there are movements to end this practice by inventing new French and German words to prevent the introduction of new English words into the vocabulary. Maybe it's about time we did the same." >There was a similar movement in Hindi to eradicate the >English that had made its way into the language. The >resulting 'pure' works were so ridiculous they became >the subject of endless jokes. Here is one example: Well, the last line in my post was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek, but I think the long day at the office prevented me from being more obvious about it. Meant to poke a little fun at the German and French movements, and the Americans that have trouble with the introduction of their words into our language. A little foreign culture is a good thing IMHO. But thanks to Neil for another insightful look into India, which I always enjoy. Shane Kleinpeter Tarheel Chapter '96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:01:04 -0400 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:language police Without using foreign words English would be reduced to almost nothing. At the very least it would lack that certain savoie faire. Geeeze '88 325is race car for sale http://patdonahue.com/forsale From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Now, if you started removing foreign words from > English, you would be left without some interesting > Hindi contributions like guru, pundit (the Pande in my > last name is a pundit derivative!), verandah, glass (I > think), mullygatawny (Andy T?), etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:56:45 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB - E30 passenger window operator I need the s-shaped cable for my passenger window. I don't need the motor so perhaps someone that fried their motor still has the old assembly hanging somewhere? Thanks, 1st ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:42:29 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:language police It don't mean a thing if it aint got that je ne se pas. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Without using foreign words English would be reduced to almost nothing. At > the very least it would lack that certain savoie faire. > > Geeeze > '88 325is race car for sale > http://patdonahue.com/forsale > > > From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Now, if you started removing foreign words from > > English, you would be left without some interesting > > Hindi contributions like guru, pundit (the Pande in my > > last name is a pundit derivative!), verandah, glass (I > > think), mullygatawny (Andy T?), etc. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:00:42 -0400 From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? Curt said: <<I hate to agree with Jack but......>> Why? Do you not like me? What have I done to deserve this!?!?! Sniff, sniff....Nobody likes me.... ; ) Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:10:26 -0700 From: Brad Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:language police Indeed, if you go back far enough just about every word in the English language either came from Latin, Greek, German, French, etc. or it came from Old English, which has it's roots in Indo-European, Indo-Germanic, etc. English is truly a modern language. Brad Houser - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:language police > Without using foreign words English would be reduced to almost nothing. At > the very least it would lack that certain savoie faire. > > Geeeze > '88 325is race car for sale > http://patdonahue.com/forsale > > > From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Now, if you started removing foreign words from > > English, you would be left without some interesting > > Hindi contributions like guru, pundit (the Pande in my > > last name is a pundit derivative!), verandah, glass (I > > think), mullygatawny (Andy T?), etc. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:10:10 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:46:15PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > least not yet). I would buy them again, except I've seen recommendations > for Bridgestone RE730s that say they're as good in the dry and better in > the wet, so I'm thinking of trying the 730s next. I'm on my second set of RE730s. I had not heard anything about them - they came on the car (which I bought used). I liked them so much I bought a second set. My commute includes a 12 mile section through local backroads. On the 730s, I don't have to change my driving at all when it's wet, raining, even pouring (unless there's large standing (or running) water). They grip THAT well in the wet. In fact, they've earned me a local region autocross FTD in the wet. I highly recommend the 730s. - -matt - -- matthew c. mead mmead (at at at) goof (dot dot dot) com (you know what to do to email me) http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:55:46 -0400 From: Eurowerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Dunlop SP8000 or Kumho Supra 712's? Christian, The Dunlop D40M2 used to be my absolute favorite tire until they stopped making them!!! The next natural progression was the SP8000 and I am pleased to say that they are even better than the D40's. So far, with the Kuhmo's installed, I can say that they are at least as good as the SP8000's is wet and dry, as to longevity, I don't know yet as I only have about 3000-4000 miles on them. No noticable signs of wear, and excellent roadholding and predictability in the slide. All of the above mentioned tires are in the 205/50/15 size. I have also tried all of the variants in the 225/50/16 size. I am just not a believer in the 17" rim size yet due to cost of tire and bending characteristics. I have several jumps close to my house and on one in particular, you can get better than 40" of air. I don't think that the 17" rims will take that abuse, nor will the newer cars!!!! - -- Kirk A. 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