[uucdigest] Thursday, July 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4037 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: stupid E39 question [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] Re: Dunlops and Kumhos and Bridgestones ["Lin Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] Re: E36 idle [Mike Whitney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] OBD -- Read and enjoy ["Joao T. da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: thoughtful answers to a stupid question ["R. Scott Staewen" <st] [uuc] <WTB> Tail lights for E36 Sedan [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] stupid E39 question [Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] Re: electrical surges. ["Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Re: The Big Jump ["Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Re: thoughtful answers to a stupid question [Eurowerks <eurower] Re: [uuc] electrical surges. ["Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:26:49 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: stupid E39 question I've always jacked up the rear of my BMWs by placing a 2x4 (about one foot in length) on the jack, and then jacking up the diff. The diff is pretty solidly mounted to the subframe. However: 1. I've never heard anyone officially say this is OK to do, and B. I don't have an E39, nor an E46. My .02 cents worth, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:07:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Timothy Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] stupid E39 question > >This is a theory that I never got around to trying and >I thought I would throw it out for ridicule or support >because I was wondering it myself. I would be >concerned with just using the 5.5" area to support the >car because of the stress in an area that is not >reinforced and it would be a real b#%ch to bend an >$80K automobile in half. But what if you used a 2 or >3 foot piece of 2X4 between the car and the jack, >would the pressure of the jack then be dispersed from >an area that is 5" X 5" to an area that is 4" X 72". >I'd be interested in hearing anybody else's thoughts <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:33:55 -0400 From: "Lin Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Dunlops and Kumhos and Bridgestones RE730's are not that noisy, they have a low pitched whir, barely noticeable over wind noise. RE71's and A520's make more noise. Just get into the throttle. Gary Lin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:40:00 -0400 From: Mike Whitney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: E36 idle "Gary Krumian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I get a high pitched sound, almost like a belt screech, and a low > and lumpy idle. Have you seen your cat lately? Mike, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:01:17 -0300 From: "Joao T. da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] OBD -- Read and enjoy The following is from a (U.S.) National Research Council press release about a report on the effectiveness of the EPA's vehicle emissions programs: (...) New technology may change how vehicle-emissions tests are conducted in the future. For example, the current version of on-board diagnostic systems in cars built since 1996 alert motorists to potential problems in both the exhaust and emissions-control components by illuminating a light on the dashboard, and the vehicle's computer can be used by mechanics to trace the source of a malfunction. However, these systems do not actually measure emissions, instead relying on the computer to indicate whether any emissions-related malfunctions exist. Nonetheless, EPA has issued a rule requiring states to use on-board diagnostic systems for testing individual cars and trucks. Whether this technology can become effective and reliable as a testing device and whether it would result in large costs to inspect and repair low-emitting vehicles, perhaps at the expense of finding and fixing high-emitting vehicles, requires an independent examination, the committee said... The whole press release may be found at... http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309074460?OpenDocument ...but the message appears to be that OBD-II is a waste of taxpayers' money. Regards, - -- Joao T. da Costa Sao Paulo, Brazil 1997 E36/5 318ti 1989 E30 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:23:54 -0500 From: "R. Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: thoughtful answers to a stupid question Kirk A Gilchrist replied: Do not attempt to jack up one side and then the other. The proper method is to jack from the ends. Do the front first, and then the rear or vice versa. Put the jack under the differential and then under the sub frame on the front. Do not touch the oil pan!!! Thanks Kirk. I'll have to look under the car carefully when I get home, but I know there's a plastic belly pan covering most of the front of the car. Doesn't that cover the oil pan and subframe, or is part of the subframe exposed? (ie, without a lift, must I remove the belly pan in order to jack up the front of the car?) rss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:40:32 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <WTB> Tail lights for E36 Sedan Hi everybody, I'm in need of a pair of tail lights for a '94 325i sedan (i.e. 4 door) that I just picked up. I'm hoping somebody has replaced theirs with clear corners and has some for sale. Please reply off-digest. Thanks, Shane Kleinpeter '96 M3 '94 325i <--- Brand spankin' new track car (ok, to me anyway) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:32:06 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] stupid E39 question >This is a theory that I never got around to trying and >I thought I would throw it out for ridicule or support >because I was wondering it myself. I would be >concerned with just using the 5.5" area to support the >car because of the stress in an area that is not >reinforced and it would be a real b#%ch to bend an >$80K automobile in half. 528i/E39 is only about 1/2 that.. but I digress.. >But what if you used a 2 or >3 foot piece of 2X4 between the car and the jack, >would the pressure of the jack then be dispersed from >an area that is 5" X 5" to an area that is 4" X 72". >I'd be interested in hearing anybody else's thoughts >on this although I can barely fit my floor jack under >the car by itself, let alone with a 2 X 4 on it. Problem on an E39 is where? The sills of the rocker panels have a lip on them, so the 2x4 would have to either be slotted to clear it - or not in full 4" contact. Also - a 2x4 will bend considerably when lifting that much weight, even pressed against the rocker panel sill.. Better solution below.. > I >have seen that the S2000's have jacking points on the >front and rear of the car so that you can lift both >front or both rear wheels at the same time, you might >want to check out your options there. > >Tim OK - on a 528i/E39 (not the 540i) - there is a rubber pad on the bottom of one of the aluminum cross-members in the front. It is specifically referred to on the parts CD as "jacking pad".. I have heard of E39 owners lifting the front of the car using this jack point and a good floor jack. I'd still suggest a piece of 3/4" plywood on top of your jack saddle if it isn't flat or padded (mine is cupped) The other common jacking point for the E39 seems to be the center point of the differential.. again, a padded cover on your jack would be a good idea. I would be MUCH more comfortable with raising a car this way then trying to raise it by lifting one side of it.. Even then - your positioning of the jack stands is critical.. the car WILL move a bit when you lift one and or the other, and the jack stand has to be able to take this and remain stable. Personally - I won't work under a car on jack stands. I know one person who was killed this way, and don't need the risk. Have a friendly mechanic who will let me use his lift for a few bucks.. and it's well worth it. YMMV - and disclaimers abound: if the car falls on you it's your own fault.. if the car bends in half and folds up it's your own fault. If an earthquake occurs while the car is on jacks and it falls through the earth and bonks someone on the head in China after passing through the earth - guess what? It's your own fault. I won't lift a car this way anymore.. but I'm sure someone will.. Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:15:59 -0400 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: electrical surges. The voltage regulator is exactly what it is. Get it fixed before you start frying sensitive electronics. - --------------------------- Now offering BMW special tool rental and pay per incident tech help. - --------------------------- Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual > From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] electrical surges. > > list, > > car: 1988 325ica > issue: following my wife home the other night in traffic at night I noticed > that her tail lights were going up and down in intensity. Yes I know the A/C > kicking on and off and the acceleration producing more juice than at idle > thing, and it is not that. It is a sudden very quick, slight > up/down/up/down. Not in any pattern, but continuos. I saw this on her trip > computer a few months ago and figured that the display was failing. I was > wrong. Could it be the voltage regulator? I haven't but a meter to it to > check output yet, but figured this could be the prob. the alternator/voltage > regulator were replaced about 35K ago.Any ideas would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:05:01 -0400 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: The Big Jump I used to jump a set of railroad tracks near my cousin's house in South Norfolk (Va, USA guys) because there were about 6 tracks together and the pavement between them was horrible. The road up and down both sides was smooth and made a nice hill with the top cut out and full of tracks. I started doing that with my full sized Bronco and found the speed where it was perfectly smooth. Nearly the same speed worked for my MGB. The M5 also went over smooth as silk. I got to the point where I did it just right all the time and it was like driving over a smooth hill. I wasn't really thinking about it when I was driving my grandmother over to my cousin's house, just cruised it like I always did. At the last second before leaving the ground I realized from her reaction that my grandmother knew how rough it was and was bracing for all the bumps especially at that high a speed. The look on her face was priceless when there was almost no bump at all. When she got out she just stood there staring at the car for a while. You could imagine her thinking those dang BMWs sure rode smoothly!! Geeeze '88 325is ITS race car for sale http://patdonahue.com/forsale From: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ah, the jumping... There was this railroad diagonal crossing where I > used to live. Speed was good. 30 or 40 maybe. Up & over, the right > wheels wouldn't even touch the tracks. The landing zone was declined, > so landings were silky smooth. :) I'm sure it felt more exciting that > it actually looked though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:50:42 -0400 From: Eurowerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: thoughtful answers to a stupid question The subframe should be slightly exposed right behind the oil pan...... "R. Scott Staewen" wrote: > Kirk A Gilchrist replied: > > Do not attempt to jack up one side and then the other. The proper > method is to > jack from the ends. Do the front first, and then the rear or vice > versa. Put > the jack under the differential and then under the sub frame on > the front. Do > not touch the oil pan!!! > > Thanks Kirk. I'll have to look under the car carefully when I get home, but > I know there's a plastic belly pan covering most of the front of the car. > Doesn't that cover the oil pan and subframe, or is part of the subframe > exposed? (ie, without a lift, must I remove the belly pan in order to jack > up the front of the car?) > > rss - -- Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.euromajic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:45:22 -0400 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] electrical surges. Check: Battery levels and condition of cells if possible corrosion on the terminals Cables at Alternator, Starter(!), and Battery Output from the regulator last The condition of other elements in the charging system can affect the output from the alternator. Geeeze '88 325is ITS race car for sale http://patdonahue.com/forsale From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > car: 1988 325ica > issue: following my wife home the other night in traffic at night I noticed > that her tail lights were going up and down in intensity. Yes I know the A/C > kicking on and off and the acceleration producing more juice than at idle > thing, and it is not that. It is a sudden very quick, slight > up/down/up/down. Not in any pattern, but continuos. I saw this on her trip > computer a few months ago and figured that the display was failing. I was > wrong. Could it be the voltage regulator? I haven't but a meter to it to > check output yet, but figured this could be the prob. the alternator/voltage > regulator were replaced about 35K ago.Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Jason Daniels ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4037 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. 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