[uucdigest] Tuesday, July 24 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4052 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #4050 ["R. Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] <E30> M20 blowed up? (LONG) ["Money, Jack (J.J.)" <jmoney@viste] [uuc] Rode in E46 M3 [Avinash Heroor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] help with spark plugs ["Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <OT>: track event [Jerry Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Any VW owners out there? [Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: I am now the proud owner of a '87 528e [Adam Wilson <svt_contou] [uuc] H&R Cup suspension kits ["Dan Hermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Any VW owners out there? ["Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] RE: [uuc] Re: I am now the proud owner of a '87 528e ["Karl Zemlin" <zem] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:05:12 -0500 From: "R. Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #4050 Must have been the Mitsubishi. I used to own an NSX and "exhaust flaps" would be news to me (although the stock exhaust didn't stay on my car for long). VTEC on the NSX does, however, function on the exhaust side. I *believe* that less expensive cars (e.g., civic) in the honda line incorporated variable timing only for intake valves, but that was a few years back and who knows what they're up to now. Someone in the know please correct me if I'm off base. Scott Staewen x-NSX (traded for a nice family car, an E39M5) >I think one of the first cars with the adjustable-flow exhaust (via flaps) >was the Acura NSX or the Mitsu 3000GT (sorry, I forget which!). >Another >"benefit", in addition to the free-flow effects at high engine speeds, was >quiet operation around town. >Tammer Farid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:12:06 -0400 From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E30> M20 blowed up? (LONG) Yo Tom, Sorry to hear about this. Below are my opinions/thoughts/musings. Feel free to email with other questions if you want. <<The car's always run a bit hot (temp would start to creep up at idle). It lacked an aux fan when I got it, so I installed one. I also backflushed the rad and refilled with 85% distilled water/15% antifreeze and a bottle of water wetter. That seemed to help the problem, but the car still ran a bit warmer than expected in traffic. I was told this was not atypical of the M20 motor. Not sure if it's significant to this problem or not.>> One other thing comes to mind which you did not mention.....the fan clutch? It's amazing how much difference this makes. Probably not the only issue though. <<It started bucking and missing as well.>> Not sure about this. When I experienced this type of running problem it was due to a failed coolant temp sensor but the temp gauge never read hot or out of the ordinary. Course there's 2 sensors, one for the gauge and one for the DME. <<So now I'm trying to decide what to do. It seems certain the motor is hurt somehow, but to what extent? Could it be something as simple as an a pressure relief valve in the oil pump, failing pump, or a pickup tube that fell off?>> Failing oil pump seems reasonable to me but I've never had it happen in any of my BMW's, only an old Jetta and it experienced the same results you described except for the bucking. <<Once the motor is out, should I swap in a good used motor purchased from a used parts source (Bimmerworld, most likely) or attempt to fix the dead one?>> Depends on how much you wanna spend. M20's are fairly cheap to purchase and you could always work on the other in your spare time....assuming you have some. <<Hell, is it even reasonable for a backyard mechanic to pull a motor? I'm no master mechanic, but I've done suspensions, brakes, installed cages, seats, and belts, removed and flushed radiators, swapped diffs and shafts, and all the normal maintenance repairs and some bolt-on upgrades. Pulling the motor looks to me like it's all about organization -- make sure you remove and label everything and then be slow and careful while removing it to not destroy it, you, or the car. Is that accurate, or am I in way over my head?>> The keys are the right tools and organization. Label all parts/connections. The right tools consist of a hoist with a load leveler. Without this I wouldn't wanna do it. Personally, I found it not difficult at all to do this work. I had a hoist and borrowed a leveler the first time. I simply took my time and had the help of 3 or 4 good friends. After my success with that one I felt much more confident. So confident in fact, that I swapped a complete powertrain and suspension by myself the week before an event. The car ran great and everything was properly installed. Only took me 3 days for everything. This was on the M3 though, not the iX. <<I'd like to do as much work as feasible myself. Cost is, of course, a major factor. Time is also a factor -- I'd love to have the car back on the track for MADS Fall 2001 at the beginning of September.>> Sounds to me like you need a good used motor. Cost and time will both be minimized here unless your problem is something relatively simple like an oil pump. I guess the hard part is if you did spin a bearing, then you have at least bottom end work to do. Time and money are factors here! Good luck, please let us know what you find out and what you plan on doing. I'd be more than happy to help you but I really don't live anywhere near you I don't believe. ; ) Jack Money #86 JS M3 '89 325iX http://elephantmotorsports.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:30:56 -0700 From: Avinash Heroor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Rode in E46 M3 A pal at work just got his new E46 M3 and kindly agreed to drive when we went out to lunch. Awesome car. The engine sounds fantastic. The seats have many adjustments and were comfortable. The moving redline tach is really cool when you see it in action. The ride is really comfortable compared to an E36 M3, the suspension does great over stuff like railroad tracks. The funniest thing I noticed was the big yellow sticker near the gearshift : "Service *required* at 1200 miles: (emphasis mine). It's not broken in yet, so he was taking it easy. I'm in line to drive it as soon as it's broken in. I want one. Badly. Sigh. - --Avi. '00 1150GS '92 325i San Jose, CA - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:57:59 -0500 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] help with spark plugs I ran them in or 92 325i and had no problems. I also run them in our E30 325 with no issues. The are terrible in the old 3.3 and 3.5 tough. That car like the Silbers only. Jason Daniels - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] help with spark plugs > Anyone using Bosch or NGK platnum plugs? > > I have used some in the past in a 535 and they sucked, rough idle, etc. > > Was wondering if they work in a 325/M3 fine? > > if anyone has used them, let me know > > thanks > > Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:00:18 -0700 From: Jerry Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT>: track event It's a bit of drive for Bay Area folks, but Willow Springs is great fun - - especially for the high-horsepower guys. And you can't beat the price. - -jerry <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Drive the "Fastest Road in the West"! Willow Springs Summer Special Hosted by NASA LA Chapter August 11 & 12, 2001 Register and submit fees by July 31st, pay just $190 for the entire weekend! What to expect: - - Extended Track Time � in excess of 1 hour and 20 minutes per day! - - No Traffic � maximum of 30 cars on track in each run group (except HPDE 4)! - - Great Value - $20 early-bird discount! - - Superior Safety Program � Professional staff with full fire/rescue and paramedics on site! - - Quality Instruction � Large staff of licensed instructors providing one-on-one training. - - Prizes � all early registrants will be entered in a drawing for a complimentary 2 day NASA Competition Racing School! Winner to be announced at the track. - - Easy on-line registration * Run group size will be limited... register now!* For more information and to register online visit: www.open-track.com or call 310-772-8202 Simply register online and deduct $20.00 from your 2-day entry fee. (No discount for one day entries) *This offer applies to HPDE only* Track info: <http://www.willowspringsraceway.com> Accommodations: We typically stay in Lancaster, about 20 minutes from the track. Essex House is a nice step-up from your typical Motel 6/Super 8 venue, yet is still reasonably priced, but there are alternatives: <http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?stx=7737307&stp=y&tab=B2C&city=Lancaster&state=CA&zip=&country=us&slt=34.698101&sln=-118.135803&cs=4> Rosamond is only 5-10 minutes from the track and may be appealing: <http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?Pyt=Typ&stx=7737307&stp=y&city=Rosamond&state=CA&country=us&slt=34.869099&sln=-118.280098&cs=5> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:43:07 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Any VW owners out there? Guy bought a lighted ///M shift knob off of me on eBay. He paid a lot of money for it, what with the lighted "///M" and all. He wants to use it in his "gen IV" Jetta. I believe that a Jetta is a VW product. The BMW shifter is a smooth tube that the shift knob is slid down over, located by a notch in the top of the shaft. Any idea what this "gen IV Jetta" might have for a shift knob? TIA, ED Now I try to provide customer service, but some questions . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: I am now the proud owner of a '87 528e Why put the time and money into the wrong car? Exactly right, then why get an E28 at all? Why not get an E12? For a quarter of what you'd pay for a good E28 535i or 535is, you can get a good E12. Then take the money you saved and drop in a 3.5l engine and do some shocks and springs. Since the E12 is going to be a bit lighter to start out with vs. an E28, and there is no weight penalty for dropping in a 3.5l vs the stock 2.8l M30, it really is a great way to go. Get rid of US bumpers and save another 100 pounds or so. Considering that the E12's hardly have any electronic gizmos compared to an E28, it means less to break, and anything that does is easy to troubleshoot and fix. The cars are alot of fun to drive and work on. This link says it the best. Simple, reliable, and the best all around car BMW ever built. http://www.racetep.com/e12.html Adam Wilson '81 528i http://www.automotiveinfopage.com > - -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: I am now the proud owner of a '87 528e > > > Eric, if you have a 528e and you want more power, > you should sell it and > get an E28 535i or 535is. With bolt-ons, you'll be > lucky to get anywhere > close to 535 performance in an eta. And it won't > cost that much to > upgrade. Why put time and money into the wrong car? > > Just my .02 cents worth... > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:12:19 -0500 From: "Dan Hermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] H&R Cup suspension kits Does anyone have any experience with the H&R Cup suspension kits? For about the price of a set of Bilstein Sports and H&R springs, you can get the Cup kit which advertises shocks/struts that are custom-valved to match the springs. I'm not sure what the spring rate is (anyone know?) but the ride height change is similar to that of the H&R Race springs. I'm considering putting this on my 88 325is track car instead of the ideal but $$$ coilover options. tia, dan 88 325is 96 M3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:44:27 -0500 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Any VW owners out there? just like the BMW if they are all like the one I saw in a shop on SAT. Can't say they are the same diameter though. Jason Daniels - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: [uuc] Any VW owners out there? > Guy bought a lighted ///M shift knob off of me on eBay. He paid a lot of > money for it, what with the lighted "///M" and all. He wants to use it > in his "gen IV" Jetta. I believe that a Jetta is a VW product. > > The BMW shifter is a smooth tube that the shift knob is slid down over, > located by a notch in the top of the shaft. > > Any idea what this "gen IV Jetta" might have for a shift knob? > > TIA, > > ED > > Now I try to provide customer service, but some questions . . . > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:05:50 -0500 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: I am now the proud owner of a '87 528e 6th and 7th. Via a getting hit a couple of times over the last 6 years I've "upgraded" my car a couple times with insurance money. What was an '84 528e 5spd turned into an '84 735ia, which then turned into an '85 535i 5spd. If you like the e28 but want to say "AHHYEEEE", the 535 is clearly a better answer. The M5 is the right answer, but my checkbook likes the 535 better. As a 9-year owner of a 528e, I tend to agree with the others. Enjoy the car for what it is. You'll like the gas mileage and it has enough power to handle traffic. Any "upgrades" you make will detract from the 528e's strengths and probably give you only slight improvements in performance. When the redline is at 4500 RPM, how high can your hopes really go?? - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: I am now the proud owner of a '87 528e - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Eric, if you have a 528e and you want more power, you should sell it and > get an E28 535i or 535isWhy put time and money into the wrong car? > > Just my .02 cents worth... > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA I will second that and 3rd it and 4th it. DONT try with the 528e. If it is in great shape, INT etc. just find a 535i with a ratty int. swap them out and then sell the 528e. You will spend alot of time and money and still not have anything close to the 535i. If you dont like it stock, then it will not get much better no matter what you do short of changing motors. I dont care if you chip it, diff, etc. a new anything will smoke it. Now, after you drive a stick 535i, you will love it. and driven easily, can return good mileage aswell. I put about 150,000 miles on one and it is right up there with my LTW M3 as my fav car so far. Hoping that will change after the 911 turbo and 360 modena Mike ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4052 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. 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