[uucdigest] Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4059 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Historical Question open to WAGs ["SEAWOLF 97" <seawolf97@hotmail.] [uuc] Lambos [John Stoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Lambos ["Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] ALMS/WC at Portland ["James Sheridan-Peters" <bmw323is@phosphor] [uuc] Re: Thermometer query [Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] re: ALMS/WC at Portland ["Polands" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query ["Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <robert.fuer] [uuc] Re: <E36> Paint Questions [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] OT - Jag questions ["Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <robert.fuerst@sylv] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:21:15 -0700 From: "SEAWOLF 97" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Historical Question open to WAGs Assembled Bimwads; My better half purchased a nice blue BMW wool ball cap. On it the text is "BMW 1978 1997". Its a really nice cap, but I have no idea what the significance of that year span is. Anybody got any guess ???? TOM ______ o/______\o (oo=00=oo) [ ]====[ ] BMW 540i ... "der bayerische Marschflugk�rper" !! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:24:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Stoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Lambos Heck, for less than the price of a new M3, you can have yourself one of those Lambos. http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam017.htm Almost no one will be able to tell it's not new. Just be ready to mortgage your house for the maintenance and you're all set. - - John S. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:38:23 -0700 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Heck, for less than the price of a new M3, you can have yourself one of > those Lambos. First, who would want one to begin with. They are the bastard child of exotics. The company has been bankrupt, had more owners than rover, etc. and if you ever drove one, you would want to know why the orginal buyers did not have there heads examined. > Almost no one will be able to tell it's not new depends on where you live. Here in Atlanta, that would be parked in the back of the valet lot. People DO KNOW the differece here. And nowadays to drive that woudl be screaming that you do not have a penis and hoping the car makes up for it. In case your wondering, these remarks come from standing behind about 10 20something old hotties in a valet line when a gold chain wearing punk pulled up in one. They actually knew it was an old lambo, was not a diablo, and he must have been dickless by driving it. I was actually impress that they were not impressed. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:45:07 -0400 From: "James Sheridan-Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ALMS/WC at Portland > Anyone going to the ALMS and SV World Challenge races at Portland > International next weekend? Looks like I'll be back home and may try and > make it Saturday and Sunday. Any suggestions on good viewing points, etc? > > I've been to PIR before, but it has been years and I was on the track on a > bicycle at the time... John (and anyone else that will be there), Make sure to find the TC Kline/Tri Point Engineering paddock and say hi that weekend. I'll be there crewing for TC and the #21 GT BMW (James Sofronas driving). I don't know where we'll be, but it shouldn't be too hard to find us. ;) - -- James Sheridan-Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Capital Chapter '98 323is '83 SCCA Spec RX-7 #00 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query Neil: My own observations are in agreement with yours. The IR pyrometer from Raytech does not read differently on silver and black around 200 F and lower. Perhaps it is different when you go higher. I seem to remember a curve from high school. Wien Distribution? Would that control it somehow? Must read up again, I guess. I too found no difference measuring rubber mount temps via IR and probe. I'm sure Gary Derian will be able to confirm that tire manufacturers actually shave off a surface layer and measure the carcass temp rather than the surface, during testing. During the races at Putnam, all tire measurements on Jack Money's car seemed to indicate only the last turn. Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com *** Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> These IR pyrometers work by measuring the radiated infra-red heat and calculating temperature from that. In theory their accuracy is also a function of the emissivity of the object being measured - black emits more energy for the same temperature than white or shiny - but in practice I haven't seen much difference when measuring lighter or darker parts of the same object. Other than the ability to read in the range you want (some don't read high enough to measure brake or exhaust temperatures, you want a top end of at least 750 deg F for that), the only really essential feature in my view is a built-in laser aiming device. Otherwise it's hard to tell just where you're measuring. For the same reason, a reasonably narrow field of view is helpful. A while back I got a one-time great deal on a Fluke 65 with memory which normally retails for over $250, but I note that Griots Garage is offering a decent seeming 0-500 deg F unit with laser aiming for just $99. BTW, although a probe-type thermometer is said to be the device of choice for measuring tire temps at the track, I've done a side-by-side comparison with my IR pyrometer and found little difference between the two methods. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:11:09 -0700 From: "Polands" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: ALMS/WC at Portland John: Since BMW NA is sponsoring a corrall and hospitality tent, (haven't heard about any food though), I would expect a pretty good turnout. The most interesting inter-vehicle activity usually is at the chicane 3/4 of the way down the south side straight. You should be at the farthest west grandstand on the south side to get a good perspective of the rush down the high speed straight, and the breaking-positioning contest entering the chicane. At the Zupan's Historics a couple weeks ago we tried the west infield stands, and it is a good view of the chicane, just not quite as good for seeing up the straight leading into it as the south side. Make sure you make time to wander the pits though, it can be more interesting than some of the racing. Excuse me for saying so, but the Audi LeMans car pit is the most amazing display of technology this side of Cape Canaveral. Last year we were wandering "behind the trailers" and witnessed what looked like a surgical team preparing to do the corner weight adjustment exercise. The car was stripped of carbon fiber, and all the shiny bits were exposed, set up with special cast aluminum "railroad wheels" I assume to remove the vagaries of mere rubber doughnuts, they had it set on the computerized corner scales and went to work on the tweaking right there in front of a crowd of about a hundred people. BMW should be much more of a presence this year than last, when the BMW LeMans cars seemed like the poor step children, in terms of support effort and results. If you bring a bicycle, you will be able to get around and sample lots of different viewpoints, just bring a lock and secure it to the bleacher supports. Enjoy. Steve Poland '88 535is Portland, OR Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:33:08 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] ALMS/WC at Portland Anyone going to the ALMS and SV World Challenge races at Portland International next weekend? Looks like I'll be back home and may try and make it Saturday and Sunday. Any suggestions on good viewing points, etc? I've been to PIR before, but it has been years and I was on the track on a bicycle at the time... Thanks John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:05:44 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query Get yourself a nice FLIR or Raytheon IR camera. Oh wait, those are like $40K. pretty cool though. (I have some photos if anyone would like to see them) For accuracy/price I'd get a contact type unit. 1st ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:23:55 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <E36> Paint Questions Neil, Thanks for the reply. My friend didn't do any of the work himself. The guys who did his car at the time were just doing it "as a second job". This was about 3 yrs ago and they were trying to get established in the area at the time. They were just working paint and body stuff after they finished their regular jobs (from about 4:30 to 9 PM) Now they are a full time shop and have several employees. The shop is not pretty that's for sure, but the work speaks for itself. Good point about geographical location affecting price. My area (Florida Panhandle...Fort Walton Beach) does tend to be cheaper than most large metro areas as well....e.g....my independent mechanic only charges $55 an hour labor vs. $80 an hour at the local dealer. I bought my waterfront townhome 6 yrs ago for only $59K! This makes most coastal dwellers drool when I tell them that. Now I'm struggling with the idea of painting at all. A buddy who works with me that just bought a new E46 last year looked at mine post-detailing and asked me why I was painting it at all....he said his 20K mile 323i has more rock chips than mine at one year old! One reason to do the whole car is there is one spot where I found out after buying the car that has some sloppy blending from a previous paint job. The PO didn't tell the dealer about a "parking lot incident" that didn't show up on Carfax. I guess she had the work done and paid cash to avoid claiming it on insurance. It looks good except for one place about a foot long on the drivers side rear door where there's a dull area. I still need to get a quote from the other "hood-only" shop. I'll make my decision after that. Good point about the gravel trucks....there's plenty of those here. The main thing I have to worry about is the good-old-boys in their huge pickups and SUV's with 48" tires that spew rocks out the side and rear. Also good point about the daily driver vs. garage queen. You are correct about that....the Vette does usually sit in the garage. Phil 92E36/M50 << Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:59:40 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <E36> Paint Questions on 7/23/01 7:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1) I've heard I should either paint the whole car or not at all. One local > shop that does excellent work but only does accident/insurance work and would > probably only do the hood and "blend" with the two front fenders. Any > opinions? Should be imperceptible if done by a good paint guy. The results are all in the technique. > 2) Another local shop (Mexican guy who calls his shop "Fender Benders") did > a friend's '63 Vette and it's the most gorgeous paint job I've ever seen. > The car is midnite blue and the paint looked like it was 10 feet > deep....kinda like staring down into a deep, dark lake. I talked to them > today and he said he could do that to mine. It's a process called "color > sanding". His price is excellent. Entire car with the color sanding process > for $1050! I would think that prepping the whole car for painting (removal of trim, badges, bumper covers; sanding and cleaning) would eat up a bunch of that $1050. Paint shop labor in my low cost city runs $40-50/hour, and is much higher on either coast or in major metro areas. If they're charging less than that then something has to give. Did your friend do the prep work on the 'Vette himself? If so that $1050 might just have covered the painting part. Maybe. Automotive paint itself costs $125/gallon and up. > I haven't talked to the shop in #1 yet, but my bet is their cost > for the hood only will be close to this! In my area the cost to repaint the hood would be around $350. > Has anyone heard of or had any experience with this process? It's $300 more > for the color sanding but it's worth it! (Especially if someone elses > insurance is picking up the tab and this guy's price is so reasonable anyway). > They told me the only disadvantage is you can't take your car through a > mechanical car wash If this process isn't tough enough to go through a car wash, how can it be tough enough for your daily driver? Imagine yourself on the freeway behind a gravel truck... I'd bet that your friend's 63 'Vette is a collector's garage queen that never sees everyday service. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:01:21 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] OT - Jag questions I have a chance to pick up a 1982 (11/81) XJS-HE. Body looked pretty decent, interior is shot. Not sure on the exact mileage, 107K, 207K, etc.? The guy said it runs but the key won't turn in the ignition so I am going to go back and see how hard it is to hot-wire. Or try to get a key made by VIN? The VIN is SAJNV5842CC105946 if someone could run that I'd appreciate it. I'll take a look around the web for some jag junkyards. any knowledge on parts availability, especially the V12 stuff is appreciated also. Thanks, 1st ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4059 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. 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