[uucdigest] Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4060 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Lambos ["Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] RE: [uuc] Lambos [John Stoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] E36 Rear Headrest Removal ["Noe, Steve (CIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Lambos [ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Lambos ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Lambos [Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Lambos ["Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] OT -- Lambos ["Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Lambos ["Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] OT - Jag questions ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] 86 325 no dash lights or instruments ["Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum] [uuc] <WTB> E30 325 ["Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:26:33 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Lambos uhhh, the Diablos were on the lower half and a tad more expensive. http://www.thecarexperience.com/Make_Index/lamindex.htm 1st > -----Original Message----- > From: John Stoj [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Lambos > > > Heck, for less than the price of a new M3, you can have yourself one of > those Lambos. > > http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam017.htm > > Almost no one will be able to tell it's not new. Just be ready to > mortgage > your house for the maintenance and you're all set. > > - John S. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Stoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Lambos uhhh, the Diablos were on the lower half and a tad more expensive. http://www.thecarexperience.com/Make_Index/lamindex.htm and: In case your wondering, these remarks come from standing behind about 10 20something old hotties in a valet line when a gold chain wearing punk pulled up in one. They actually knew it was an old lambo, was not a diablo, and he must have been dickless by driving it. 1st I guess I've lost touch with the 20-something gold-digger subculture. - - John S. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:44:47 -0400 From: "Noe, Steve (CIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 Rear Headrest Removal How does one remove the headrests? I know the posts remain attached to the car. While I am at it, how does one remove the posts? TIA Steve '98 M3/4 '89 Honda HawkGT NT647 '87 Volvo 745ti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:44:58 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam015.htm if you got this one, the people who knew that it was one of the very early ones would have a bit of respect for you in that you're crazy enough to buy one what with the crippling maintenance costs & goofy road manners. the only nice Countach is a very early one. once they started adding scoops & flares & such they lost the purity of the original design. when running properly the early cars were actually faster (better aero, tho likely lots of lift) than the later ones. this one looks just like the model I had as a kid. or you could sell the extra kidney & go for a Miura : http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam014.htm Ben no matter how cool various BMW's have looked in their time, the original Countach has that certain something..... John Stoj wrote: > Heck, for less than the price of a new M3, you can have yourself one of > those Lambos. > > http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam017.htm > > Almost no one will be able to tell it's not new. Just be ready to mortgage > your house for the maintenance and you're all set. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:52:06 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos People drive Lamborghini's for the same reason deer have antlers. The ability to spend money extravagantly proves you are capable of providing a comfortable living. For the deer, growing antlers expends a lot of energy that might otherwise be spent on muscles. The ability to both have muscles and grow antlers proves one prowess. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam015.htm > > if you got this one, the people who knew that it was one of the very early ones > would have a bit of respect for you in that you're crazy enough to buy one what > with the crippling maintenance costs & goofy road manners. > > the only nice Countach is a very early one. once they started adding scoops & > flares & such they lost the purity of the original design. when running > properly the early cars were actually faster (better aero, tho likely lots of > lift) than the later ones. > > this one looks just like the model I had as a kid. > > or you could sell the extra kidney & go for a Miura : > http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam014.htm > > > > Ben > no matter how cool various BMW's have looked in their time, the original > Countach has that certain something..... > > John Stoj wrote: > > > Heck, for less than the price of a new M3, you can have yourself one of > > those Lambos. > > > > http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam017.htm > > > > Almost no one will be able to tell it's not new. Just be ready to mortgage > > your house for the maintenance and you're all set. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:06:32 -0400 From: Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos Michael Lawrence wrote: > In case your wondering, these remarks come from standing behind about 10 > 20something old hotties in a valet line when a gold chain wearing punk > pulled up in one. They actually knew it was an old lambo, was not a diablo, > and he must have been dickless by driving it. I was actually impress that > they were not impressed. Yes, it's very important to take that sort of thing into consideration. One must be sure to base their happiness and satisfaction on other people's reactions to their toys. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:09:00 -0700 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I guess I've lost touch with the 20-something gold-digger subculture. > > - John S. No, they actually are anti-gold digger to a degree. If you SEEM to be trying to impress with money, you are fighting a uphill battle with some groups. But there are always people somewhere that will be impressed by money though, it was a damn shame I could not find them with my M3. All of my dates hated it because it rode rough, was not as nice as an Acura on the inside and the radio sucked ass according to them, lmao, ahahhaha. Now if I could afford a Miura S, hell I would even wear a gold chain if I had. That is an awesome car. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:11:42 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] OT -- Lambos Just saying there's a HUGE difference in used Countach vs. Diablo prices, Unless M3's got real expensive. Either way, if I owned one I wouldn't give a shit what god thought.... 1st 1st said: > uhhh, the Diablos were on the lower half and a tad more expensive. > http://www.thecarexperience.com/Make_Index/lamindex.htm > > and > Mike said: > In case your wondering, these remarks come from standing behind about 10 > 20something old hotties in a valet line when a gold chain wearing punk > pulled up in one. They actually knew it was an old lambo, was not a > diablo, > and he must have been dickless by driving it. > > > I guess I've lost touch with the 20-something gold-digger subculture. > > - John S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:21:50 -0700 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos not sure where your pointing that at. IMO, the lambo is a hunk of sh*t that only fits in with the show money crowd anyway. My observations with the hotties shocked me, I expected them to be ignorant and impressed with the car. They had just been talking about how cute an Acura was seconds before the lamboshitty pulled up. My comments about the lambo being crap come from growing up around one. My father's friend had a early model, then a 86. Both were very very horrible in the realibilty and craftmanship. Like a bad joke actually. about 80% of the time, he would be stranded in them somewhere and my dad would come to his rescue. haha, just thinking about it makes me happy to think how reliable my M3 has been for what it can do. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [uuc] Lambos > Yes, it's very important to take that sort of thing into consideration. One must > be sure to base their happiness and satisfaction on other people's reactions to > their toys. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:08:21 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] OT - Jag questions The only choice here is a 502 Chevy. Cheaper, faster and lighter than the V-12. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have a chance to pick up a 1982 (11/81) > XJS-HE. Body looked pretty decent, interior > is shot. Not sure on the exact mileage, 107K, > 207K, etc.? The guy said it runs but the key > won't turn in the ignition so I am going to go > back and see how hard it is to hot-wire. Or try > to get a key made by VIN? The VIN is > > SAJNV5842CC105946 > > if someone could run that > I'd appreciate it. > > I'll take a look around the web for some jag junkyards. > any knowledge on parts availability, especially the V12 > stuff is appreciated also. > > Thanks, > 1st > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:56 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 86 325 no dash lights or instruments My son's '86 325 just lost all dash lights and instruments except the speedometer. He' bringing it home this weekend for me to look at. Other than fuses, power plugs, and grounds, any suggestions on what to look for. Wasn't there a web page dedicated to this somewhere? TIA Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:57:02 -0400 From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WTB> E30 325 Folks, A friend of mine is interested in picking up a good, well maintained 325. He currently has a Z3 1.9l and would like to return to E30dome for a daily driver/winter car. He formerly had a 325es which suffered timing belt failure. So, he's looking for something that is in good shape, maybe requiring a little work but not much....and no rust! Car should be a 5spd, 2 or 4 door, eta or i engine (eta is probably more realistic for his budget), and might as well be stock. This car will see no track time so performance mods are not considered "worth the additional cost". Budget is around $2500. I know this probably won't net a decent 325i but perhaps a decent eta car could be had. Mileage is not a huge concern but the car should be well maintained with records. If anyone has a car for sale or knows of a decent example please email me with details or contact info. He'll probably travel some distance for the right car (southern would be great!) but not to Cali, probably not west of the Rockies. Thanks for the bandwidth. ********** Jack Money #86 JS '89 325iX http://elephantmotorsports.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:17:04 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query Back in the old days when I did all the race tire stuff for BFGoodrich, we used needle type pyrometers. We felt that the temp under the surface was a better indicator since it cooled less in the distance between the last turn and the pits. Neil is exactly right when he comments that tire temps are dominated by the last turn. Set your car up on a skidpad, measure front to rear tire temps, understeer coefficient and lateral g's. Explore anti-roll bar settings and tire pressures. Then you will have a framework for track testing. The fastest skip pad setup is not necessarily the fastest track setup. A track setup usually requires more understeer. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Neil: > > My own observations are in agreement with yours. The > IR pyrometer from Raytech does not read differently on > silver and black around 200 F and lower. Perhaps it > is different when you go higher. I seem to remember a > curve from high school. Wien Distribution? Would > that control it somehow? Must read up again, I guess. > > I too found no difference measuring rubber mount temps > via IR and probe. I'm sure Gary Derian will be able > to confirm that tire manufacturers actually shave off > a surface layer and measure the carcass temp rather > than the surface, during testing. During the races at > Putnam, all tire measurements on Jack Money's car > seemed to indicate only the last turn. > > Neil Deshpande > http://www.neilwerke.com > > *** > > Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > These IR pyrometers work by measuring the radiated > infra-red heat and calculating temperature from that. > In theory their accuracy is also a function of the > emissivity of the object being measured - black emits > more energy for the same temperature than white or > shiny - but in practice I haven't seen much difference > when measuring lighter or darker parts of the same > object. > > Other than the ability to read in the range you want > (some don't read high enough to measure brake or > exhaust temperatures, you want a top end of at least > 750 deg F for that), the only really essential feature > in my view is a built-in laser aiming device. > Otherwise it's hard to tell just where you're > measuring. For the same reason, a reasonably narrow > field of view is helpful. > > A while back I got a one-time great deal on a Fluke 65 > with memory which normally retails for over $250, but > I note that Griots Garage is offering a decent seeming > 0-500 deg F unit with laser aiming for just $99. > > BTW, although a probe-type thermometer is said to be > the device of choice for measuring tire temps at the > track, I've done a side-by-side comparison with my IR > pyrometer and found little difference between the two > methods. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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