[uucdigest] Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4061 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Oktoberfest gathering ["Harmon W. Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] RE: [uuc] OT - Jag questions [Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] E36 Rims and Tires - Alpina [Jason Briedis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Ball Cap Significance [Michael Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Speedvision E46M3 Article ["steve crowl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Jag questions [Michael Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] synth oil query ["R. Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] synth oil query ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] synth oil query ["Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Racings for the soul ["KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] was Lambo, now Holy Unreadable Speedometer Batman [Ryan Keefe <rkee] Re: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query [D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Before it gets booted for OT - Lambos.. [Don Eilenberger <deilenber] Re: [uuc] synth oil query [ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:22:29 -0500 From: "Harmon W. Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Oktoberfest gathering My memory from 1997 is that Legends is the downstairs bar, and is the biggest place in town. I'd prefer Monday, as there is supposed to be a Roundel staffer gathering on Tuesday evening. But hey - let the majority rule. Harmon Fischer Club Elder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:19:41 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] OT - Jag questions Zowie.. 1st is looking for trouble with: >I have a chance to pick up a 1982 (11/81) >XJS-HE. Body looked pretty decent, interior >is shot. Not sure on the exact mileage, 107K, >207K, etc.? The guy said it runs but the key >won't turn in the ignition so I am going to go >back and see how hard it is to hot-wire. Or try >to get a key made by VIN? The VIN is > >SAJNV5842CC105946 > > if someone could run that >I'd appreciate it. > >I'll take a look around the web for some jag junkyards. >any knowledge on parts availability, especially the V12 >stuff is appreciated also. > >Thanks, >1st Robert (Chris).. When you say 'pick-up' - you mean someone is giving it to you right? Most junkyards will take it without the key - they just come pick them up and take them away on the flatbed. Questionable if they'd pay you, or you have to pay them.. Not really kidding - these things sell for $1,000-4,000 in NJ. The $4,000 ones are in mint condition and more or less run, usually low mileage (because they never ran very long in one shot.) The $1,000 ones are more like what you describe (but this guy may have put air in the tires.. most of the ones I see have permanent flat-spots in the tires from sitting in one place so long, until the guy who owns it's wife tells him it's her or the car..) As far as the V12 engine - it looks nice, well - it would look nice if it didn't have all the crap on top of it. Was '82 still using the Stromberg carbs? That was the sorta-reliable-for-a-Jag V12 one.. the FI ones are famous for eating the FI computers. Cold-solder-joints galore.. and for spouting fuel leaks from the maze of plumbing on top of the engine - right near LUCAS electrics. Handy if you need to barbecue something.. I'm guessing you're considering this because you have absolutely nothing else to do - right? A 20 year old Jag that wasn't very good to begin with? See if you can get a motor-club that includes towing and motel expenses before taking it out of the driveway.. HINT: RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! You'd be better off looking for a BMW coupe from the era and fighting the rust.. A survivor of Jag lust in my youth.. two of them (one '65 XKE roadster and a Mk-9) cured me of Jag lust (but I guess every auto-enthusiast has gotta learn by themselves..) Still hang around a garage where these puppies get dragged in once in a while (they never arrive under their own power..) Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2001 07:40:47 MST From: Jason Briedis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 Rims and Tires - Alpina I am selling a set of Alpina Softlines. 18"x8" They are in PERFECT condition. See pics and answers to most of your questions at: http://www.e30m3info.com/wheels_fs.htm thanks... - -Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:08:33 -0700 From: Michael Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Ball Cap Significance Query My better half purchased a nice blue BMW wool ball cap. On it the text is "BMW 1978 1997". Its a really nice cap, but I have no idea what the significance of that year span is. Anybody got any guess ???? Could this be years of BMW's to avoid purchasing because of some catastrophic problem endemic to those model years? Just kidding. Mike 94 530i (ignoring any endemic problems and enjoying the ride) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:01:57 -0500 From: "steve crowl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Speedvision E46M3 Article Article about Porsche backing off complaints about lack of V8 M3 homologation plans. Excellent pic of the Motorsports and PTG cars: http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/06road/010725b.html cheers, steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:16:57 -0700 From: Michael Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Jag questions 1st asks questions about the purchase of an old Jag. I have always been told that if you own a Jag, you need to have a mechanic in the family. Mike 94 530i (so far, sooooo good) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:17:27 -0500 From: "R. Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] synth oil query Hello All: I have a question for you -- particularly you techie (sp?) types and those knowledgable about BMW politics. There is a great deal of confusion out there regarding the proper viscosity oil for the new M cars. My understanding is that BMW specified Castrol 10W60 synthetic for US production E39 M5's prior to March '00. In March '00 the recommendation changed to 5W30, which I believe is the same time frame as a change in piston rings on the S62 engine. 5W30 is specified for my car as well, a 4/01 build M5. There is a sticker on the engine to this effect, and 5W30 is what the US dealers seem to insist on. The confusing thing is that this recommendation is apparently for the US market only. I have read that in Europe 10W60 is recommended, and European dealers are equally adamant about using 10W60. Given that I live in a blastfurnace (Houston, TX) I feel that 10W60 may afford a bit more protection to the engine, and am considering changing to the higher viscosity oil. I am a bit uncomfortable going against BMW NA, however, without knowing exactly *why* 5W30 is recommended on US cars. So, does anyone out there know? Is this merely a CAFE standards issue or is there a basis other than political for specifying lower viscosity oil for US cars? TIA. Scott Staewen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:32:34 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] synth oil query Thicker oil protects better but increases viscous drag a bit. No harm will come from the 10W-60. I'd use the thicker oil. The Castrol is really expensive. Mobil 1 15W-50 is much cheaper. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello All: > > I have a question for you -- particularly you techie (sp?) types and those > knowledgable about BMW politics. > > There is a great deal of confusion out there regarding the proper viscosity > oil for the new M cars. My understanding is that BMW specified Castrol > 10W60 synthetic for US production E39 M5's prior to March '00. In March '00 > the recommendation changed to 5W30, which I believe is the same time frame > as a change in piston rings on the S62 engine. 5W30 is specified for my car > as well, a 4/01 build M5. There is a sticker on the engine to this effect, > and 5W30 is what the US dealers seem to insist on. The confusing thing is > that this recommendation is apparently for the US market only. I have read > that in Europe 10W60 is recommended, and European dealers are equally > adamant about using 10W60. Given that I live in a blastfurnace (Houston, TX) > I feel that 10W60 may afford a bit more protection to the engine, and am > considering changing to the higher viscosity oil. I am a bit uncomfortable > going against BMW NA, however, without knowing exactly *why* 5W30 is > recommended on US cars. > > So, does anyone out there know? Is this merely a CAFE standards issue or is > there a basis other than political for specifying lower viscosity oil for US > cars? > > TIA. > > Scott Staewen > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:04:33 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] synth oil query R. Scott Staewenopens an oil thread: > I have a question for you -- particularly you techie (sp?) types and those > knowledgable about BMW politics. > > There is a great deal of confusion out there regarding the proper viscosity > oil for the new M cars. My understanding is that BMW specified Castrol > 10W60 synthetic for US production E39 M5's prior to March '00. In March '00 > the recommendation changed to 5W30, which I believe is the same time frame > as a change in piston rings on the S62 engine. 5W30 is specified for my car > as well, a 4/01 build M5. There is a sticker on the engine to this effect, > and 5W30 is what the US dealers seem to insist on. The confusing thing is > that this recommendation is apparently for the US market only. I have read > that in Europe 10W60 is recommended, and European dealers are equally > adamant about using 10W60. Given that I live in a blastfurnace (Houston, TX) > I feel that 10W60 may afford a bit more protection to the engine, and am > considering changing to the higher viscosity oil. I am a bit uncomfortable > going against BMW NA, however, without knowing exactly *why* 5W30 is > recommended on US cars. I don't have the definative answer but that has never stopped me from speculating before. This is being driven by: 1) A belief that US cars don't see the adverse (long high speed autobahn runs) that German cars do 2) The cost differential between plain old 5W30 Synth and Castrol RS 10W60 and if NA said it was ok then all the post 3/00 M5 owners would demand it as part of their all inclusive 36 month maintenance package. At retail about $26 per oil change vs $88 for the 10W60. The 10W60 is a lot cheaper in Germany, at my servicing dealer in PA the cases I've bought all indicate they have been air freighted from the fatherland. Just a couple more possible explanations with no factual basis. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE(elaware) not DE(utschland) 00 M Geeze - 12/99 build date locked into 10W60 for life some Volvos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:36:07 -0700 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Racings for the soul Hey in yesterday's WSJ , Marketplace section, Work&Family column is quoted non-other than our own Kathy Lyle on the theraputic benefit of racing. Cool. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:33:01 -0700 From: Ryan Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] was Lambo, now Holy Unreadable Speedometer Batman Did you see the closeup photo of the dash? That speedometer is crazy! Now we know where the Lexus IS300 engineers came up with their Chronograph inspiration... BTW, it says the same cost in Euros and USD, I'm pretty sure there's a exchange rate equation not happening there... ;) =Ryan John Stoj wrote: Heck, for less than the price of a new M3, you can have yourself one of those Lambos. http://www.thecarexperience.com/Lamborghini_listing/lam017.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:57:50 -0700 From: D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Thermometer query Hi Gary, I read with interest your comments on car set-up on the skid pad. All of my experience with that has involved about $200K worth of test equipment measuring every angle and load, then calculating the understeer gradient. This is beyond the capability of most small race teams. Do you know of a way to get the understeer gradient without all the expensive test gear? - -Damon '94 325i '95 993 Gary Derian wrote: > Set your car up on a skidpad, measure front to rear tire temps, understeer > coefficient and lateral g's. Explore anti-roll bar settings and tire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:16:34 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Before it gets booted for OT - Lambos.. Mike said: >Now if I could afford a Miura S, hell I would even wear a gold chain if I >had. That is an awesome car. > >Mike Yup. Mosta you kids are WAY too young, but at the 1971 NY Autoshow (held in the old Coliseum) I almost wet my pants when I saw the first Miura. I have lusted after one ever since (I seem to remember at the time - - price was around $15k which was absolutely un-attainable, I can see the price has remained un-attainable..) I'm sure sometime or another I missed buying one for $4,000 used that if I knew about it now I'd be kicking myself (I still kick myself once in a while about the $4k GT-40 and the $4k 275GTB I passed up..) Only other car that reached that level of lust in me was the original Marcos.. (and perhaps the XKE until I actually owned one and tried to use it as a real car..) :-) Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:23:06 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] synth oil query Bill Matthews wrote: > 2) The cost differential between plain old 5W30 Synth and Castrol RS 10W60 and > if NA said it was ok then all the post 3/00 M5 owners would demand it as part > of their all inclusive 36 month maintenance package. At retail about $26 per > oil change vs $88 for the 10W60. The 10W60 is a lot cheaper in Germany, at my > servicing dealer in PA the cases I've bought all indicate they have been air > freighted from the fatherland. there was recently an official switch to the Castrol 10W-60 oil for all S54 engined cars, which would tend to indicate that cost is not the driver behind the swtich away from the 10W-60 on M5's. a contact from a BMW dealer (BMW of Arlington, VA) posted the following to the M coupe message board : Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 Synthetic, and Castrol Formula RS 10W-60* Synthetic Oils: These are the only approved oils for the S54B32 engine in the M3 (coupe and convertible) and the M roadster/M coupe. The TWS Motorsport 10W-60 Synthetic has the same formulation as the Formula RS 10W-60. Since only the name was changed, it can be ordered under BMW part number 07 51 0 009 420.� *Castrol Formula RS 10W-60 Synthetic is the same oil which is approved for 2000 M5 through 2/2000 production. the dealer noted that he has been told that BMW are even going as far as calling owners back to the dealers to have 5W-30 that was put in at their 1,200 mile services replaced with 10W-60 & a new sticker placed on the engine. Ben '99 M coupe '87 332iS BMW 5W-30 synth in both S52 engines ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4061 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. 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