[uucdigest] Sunday, August 5 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4102 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] <e36> clutch pedal squeak [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] <E34> S38 Bent Valves. How? [Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Sway bar link removal?? HELP!!! [ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] rotate tires+no tread left [[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hart)] Re: [uuc] <rant> apostrophes and model years [Don Eilenberger <deilenberg] [uuc] <rant> apostrophes and model years [Neil Deshpande <neildeshpande@y] Re: [uuc] <E34> S38 Bent Valves. How? ["Kim Henshaw" <kim@queenslandmoto] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:38:37 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <e36> clutch pedal squeak Gruppe, I rode in a friend's e36 323iS the other night. His clutch pedal had the infamous squeak. I vaguely remember that there is an easy fix to this. Anyone care to let me know what it is so I can help my friend out? Also, this friend of mine is moving to Annapolis, MD in the near future. Any good places to take his car for service? Thanks, Kirk Lachman Las Vegas, NV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E34> S38 Bent Valves. How? Gruppe: My 1992 M5 shows no compression on cylinders 1-3. I have not checked 4-6. Here is brief recap of events: 1. Drove car about 4-5k after purchase. Drove 10 miles night before. 2. Parked in 1st nose uphill overnight. 3. Started next day to major engine clatter. Engine ran fine and smooth till 3000 RPM. Did not go higher. Car drove fine till 3000 RPM. 4. Suspected tensioner collapse due to parking condition placing stress on tensioner side of chain (nose up in 1st results in engine trying to turn backwards). 5. Attempted to prime tensioner by running engine for 20 mins. No luck. Tried pouring oil down front right of engine and then 2000 RPM idle. No luck. Diagnosis: tensioner piston stuck. 6. Replaced tensioner and primed new tensioner with Vaseline and put spring in reversed (mistake). Consensus that reversed spring would not matter much. 7. Ran car. Still noisy. Bled tensioner via end-plug. Still noisy. 20 mins idle each time. 8. Removed tensioner and replaced with spring in correctly and no Vaseline. Upon removal I found some of the Vaseline still intact in the tensioner. 9. After tensioner install, turned engine both ways 10 times by hand and confirmed the timing marks lined up on camshafts (could not see mark on crank, but made a makeshift note of gap in teeth and noted it was at the same place each time). 10 Attempted to start. No start. Plugs fouled with gas so there was gas in there. Timing light showed sparking was going on. Odd pattern though, fast sparking on 5-6 and slow on 1-2. Cannot explain. 11. Tested compression in 1-3 only and found them to be zero. The head comes off on Monday and the chain, sprockets, guides and bent valves will be replaced. However, for peace of mind I have to know how this happened. Any theories, things to look for when I remove head, etc., are welcome. I'll be looking for a broken guide, but other than that I have no ideas. Before you ask, the car has never been over-revved in my ownership and I ran it 5k miles after purchase. I only hit the rev limiter a few times and that too very gently and the night before was not one of those times. Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:57:44 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Sway bar link removal?? HELP!!! if the links are the same as on an M coupe (I'm baout 99% sure they are) there is a flat section that you can grab with a wrench on the back side of the bolt, that way the link won't spin when you loosen the other side. you need a thin wrench (bicycle cone wrenches have been mentioned as working well, but I've just used a normal wrenches) to hold the back side of the bolt & you should be fine. if you're re-using the links, watch out for the boot on the link when you get the wrench on the back side. Ben Michael Turgeon wrote: > I am trying to replace my strus on the M3 '95. Whe I tried to remove the sway > bar links it seems that the > nut and bolt are spinning, yet I cannot see anything on the back side to hold > the bolt in position. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hart) Subject: [uuc] rotate tires+no tread left Hi a while ago, I found that my 328ic with Pirelli Pilot 235 40 17's (of 3 months age/5,000 mostly hwy mileage..hey, doesn't everybody say that on Ebay?) had very little rear tread left when I did a rear to front rotation. Since then, I have tried without much sucess to try to compensate, since the former fronts now on rear have plenty of tread, while the former rears show the entire Linclon's head on a penny (Cooper Tires "measurement technique", amongst others)! I have come to the self-blaming conclusion that, since I'd been keeping the former tire pressures even all around..that is, about 34 or 36 psi at all four wheels, (rather than the manufacturer's 33f-36r. min:37/41 max), that this is my most likely oversight that could have caused such short tread life, given that the convertible has a heavier ass end for the top...am I just guessing? I mean, did BMWAG specify higher rear pressures for the sedan/coupe, or is this a convertible thang? All I can say is, I still tramline on crowned roads, even though I run 37f/41 rear/ as specified, for my wife and I and 3 year old, and it is a little squirelly at the front end when it rains. I sure as hell ain't going to buy 2 new Pilots at $200 plus ea., until I know that my "theory" holds at least some validity. So, is thee anyone who might have "premature inflation" woes (other than Bob Dole.."easy, boy!"), who might tell me..in the issue of stupid meets stupid..should I..1. DECREASE rear pressure, so as to "catch up" with the limited front tread remaining sooner..2. Run front/rear pressures almost even, so as to run the same scenario as 1, only more gradually, or 3. get the snow tires on soon, and dig up and buy two more new Pilots in the spring? For what its worth, the car is fine on flat or recently paved roads...here in New England, that is a rarity! Cheers John-96 328is cabrio, M3 3.23/LSDiff, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:42:51 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <rant> apostrophes and model years WOT - but the listmeister started it.. Tammer asks: >Now, since I am too lazy to go pull out my >_Elements_of_Style_ from the bookshelf upstairs (yes, I >have it), I'll pose a question: when using quotes around >a word at the end of a sentence, does the period belong >inside or outside the closing quotation mark? I've been >confused about that for a long time. Feel free to >reply privately. > >Thanks, >Tammer Farid I believe the rule is the same as with parenthesis.. the final punctuation belongs inside the quote. Always true if the quotes are being used to repeat what someone said, ie: "John said HI!" looks much better than "John said HI"! (isn't this correct?) is better than (isn't this correct)? :-) <-- proper version of an emoticon indicating a smile.. Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator BMW E39 Enthusiast Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 ==================================================================== "Parking lots are not an appropriate place.." ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <rant> apostrophes and model years Tammer: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Now, since I am too lazy to go pull out my _Elements_of_Style_ from the bookshelf upstairs (yes, I have it), I'll pose a question: when using quotes around a word at the end of a sentence, does the period belong inside or outside the closing quotation mark? I've been confused about that for a long time. Feel free to reply privately." This is an interesting question and I've given it some thought in the past when I was on an editorial board. The preferred usage is different depending on where in the world you are. The Judith Buther Style Guide, The Chicago Manual of Style, The Economist Style Manual, etc., all vary a little on such things. HOWEVER, 99.9% of the time you are safe with putting the quotes outside the punctuation, be it a comma or a full stop/period. There are some exceptions and the one I recall is when the quoted passage itself has a period _and_ falls at the end of a sentence. Then you are in a bind; do you use the period from the quote or do you use the period from the sentence structure. Different manuals may put this down differently, but my recollection is from The Chicago Manual of Style (Hey, I'm in the US now!) and it recommends you drop the period from the quote, close the inverted commas _before_ the period and then stick the period on _after_ the inverted commas. Any reference markers are put between the commas and the period. Now, you have 99.99% of all usage! There are some further exceptions, but they are in the 3 sigma zone (3/million) and you'll most likely never encounter them even if you edit for a major publisher. The only time I've seen errors in this regard has been in a pre-publication editor copy of Roger Penrose's "The Emporer's New Mind" published by Oxford University Press under their Vintage label. BTW, I try never to get into an argument about the English language. I've seen a lot of interesting usages (including words with terminal s's being used with an apostrophe s to pluralize them) from good sources. It all depends on what you're doing. Too often, it is not the punctuation, but the language itself that is uninteresting or unclear. Reminds me of something from an old ATT recruiting poster, "We are not interested in hiring those who can be understood, but those who cannot be misunderstood." Hope this helps! Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:46:54 +1000 From: "Kim Henshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34> S38 Bent Valves. How? With all 3 front cylinders showing NO compression it would normally be logical to presume lots of valve to piston contact.....you sure those timing marks are in the right place???? Kim H - ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: [uuc] <E34> S38 Bent Valves. How? > Gruppe: > > My 1992 M5 shows no compression on cylinders 1-3. I > have not checked 4-6. Here is brief recap of events: > > 1. Drove car about 4-5k after purchase. Drove 10 > miles night before. > 2. Parked in 1st nose uphill overnight. > 3. Started next day to major engine clatter. Engine > ran fine and smooth till 3000 RPM. Did not go higher. > Car drove fine till 3000 RPM. > 4. Suspected tensioner collapse due to parking > condition placing stress on tensioner side of chain > (nose up in 1st results in engine trying to turn > backwards). > 5. Attempted to prime tensioner by running engine for > 20 mins. No luck. Tried pouring oil down front right > of engine and then 2000 RPM idle. No luck. > Diagnosis: tensioner piston stuck. > 6. Replaced tensioner and primed new tensioner with > Vaseline and put spring in reversed (mistake). > Consensus that reversed spring would not matter much. > 7. Ran car. Still noisy. Bled tensioner via > end-plug. Still noisy. 20 mins idle each time. > 8. Removed tensioner and replaced with spring in > correctly and no Vaseline. Upon removal I found some > of the Vaseline still intact in the tensioner. > 9. After tensioner install, turned engine both ways 10 > times by hand and confirmed the timing marks lined up > on camshafts (could not see mark on crank, but made a > makeshift note of gap in teeth and noted it was at the > same place each time). > 10 Attempted to start. No start. Plugs fouled with > gas so there was gas in there. Timing light showed > sparking was going on. Odd pattern though, fast > sparking on 5-6 and slow on 1-2. Cannot explain. > 11. Tested compression in 1-3 only and found them to > be zero. > > The head comes off on Monday and the chain, sprockets, > guides and bent valves will be replaced. However, for > peace of mind I have to know how this happened. Any > theories, things to look for when I remove head, etc., > are welcome. I'll be looking for a broken guide, but > other than that I have no ideas. > > Before you ask, the car has never been over-revved in > my ownership and I ran it 5k miles after purchase. I > only hit the rev limiter a few times and that too very > gently and the night before was not one of those > times. > > Neil Deshpande > http://www.neilwerke.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4102 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. "Chicago's Premier Automotive Appearance | Center" . http://www.detailwerkschicago.com |==================================================== | Koala MotorSport . 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