[uucdigest] Tuesday, August 7 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4114 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: RE: [uuc] Re: Ofest routes ["Reichenbach, Carl" <CReichenbach@skandi] [uuc] E36 M3 sunroof problem [Rob Verenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Carfax help please. ["The Jacob's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Another Emergency Brake question ["Dave Swingle" <dswingle@ente] [uuc] OBC - degrees F vs. degrees C [John Firestone <john.firestone@nord-] [uuc] E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement ["Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndia] RE: [uuc] 92 325i AC Compressor ? ["Ulf Bertilsson" <ulf.bertilsson@adcom] [uuc] Triple Digits? ["Gig'eM6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Real Maps. Was "Ofest routes" [Neil Deshpande <neildeshpande@yahoo] [uuc] Staying Awake ["Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: directional tires [Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: Directional tires [Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Said/Stuck win [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: [uuc] Re: Directional tires ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:49:03 -0400 From: "Reichenbach, Carl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: [uuc] Re: Ofest routes Another route to consider is to go the opposite side of 290/495. I have found that it is a much nicer (read less traffic and stress) to take I90 to I290 to I190 to Rt.2 to I495. It is a few miles longer (maybe 5 mi) but goes through the middle of nowhere, so there is SIGNIFICANTLY less traffic. HTH Carl - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:49:56 -0400 From: Rob Verenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 M3 sunroof problem Help! The sunroof on my '95 M3 decided to open too far and stick open. I know there's a way to hand crank it closed, but I also know I've heard about this problem before even though I can't find any resources to it on the web/archives. If anyone has any experience with this and knows the fix, please email me. Thanks! - - rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:05:19 -0500 From: "The Jacob's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Carfax help please. I just tried the Carfax free links that I have and none are working. Could someone with access please run this Vin for me? WBAAE6406G1703591 Thank you in advance, Jacob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:27:37 -0500 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Another Emergency Brake question We took a few trips around the "block" (2 miles), and made a couple of "panic" e-brake stops from 30 mph down as recommended in the Bently, to break it in. I don't drive the car everyday (my son does) so I don't know how its changed with a few more miles on it. I figure we'll lift it up again this weekend and see how it feels. My guess is that it will be worn in by then. The car does not get a lot of highway driving, it's only about a 3 mile drive to work (although based on his tire wear over the past 6 months, it's a helluva 3 miles). As I left it last, there were about 8 clicks to stop. Now it's at 10-11, so it seems to be bedding in. Thanks all; Dave Swingle ============= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:03:48 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Another Emergency Brake question Dave, did you do a few stops using the parking brake? I bet if you "set" the pads it will be OK. Check them for temperature or a visual inspection afterwards to make sure they are not dragging. I put on new pads and cables on my old rotors and did not have to touch the adjusters but also had no tight fit. If there is still a problem you could probably mill off some of the metal where the pads pivot on the top or bottom. How many "clicks" do you have now? 1st ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:22:34 -0400 (EDT) From: John Firestone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] OBC - degrees F vs. degrees C On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Pat Donahue wrote: > Did your OBC display the 106 temps? I saw mine in the Touring hitting and > staying at 99 through New York City yesterday and wondered if there were > only room for two digits since the Centigrade numbers will cover. The OBC reports Celsius temperatures using five characters: a sign, two digits, a point or a comma, and a half-degree digit. In almost all cases, Fahrenheit needs just two characters to achieve the same resolution. In exceptional cases, it needs three to four. Applying the above reasoning, a Fahrenheit display should allow higher temperatures, up to 999 degrees, which should prepare you for a drive everywhere on earth and possibly in hell as well. That Celsius requires more characters to report day-to-day temperatures was one of the two main points of contention in an argument I had with my father over which is the superior temperature scale. The jist of our respective positions was: degrees Crude, no, degrees Foolish. My father eventually won the argument, but he enlisted an expert. - -John '96 318is - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:17:16 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 M3 Underpanel Reinforcement I mentioned that I reinforced my new underpanel before installing it on my E36 M3. Here is a link to the photo album. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1090300&a=13603061 Again, Neil Maller has done some extensive work (and documented instructions) on reinforcing the leading edge of the underpanel as well as the attachment points for the porkchops and fender liners. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:17:55 +0200 From: "Ulf Bertilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] 92 325i AC Compressor ? > Who has the cheapest decent A/C Compressor for an early 92 e36 sedan? www.esstuning.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:40:13 -0500 From: "Gig'eM6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Triple Digits? I've seen at least 116 on the OBC last year in College Station. So yes, it can display triple digits. AP Antony Pohl ______ 88 ///M6 "Rebuilt" o/______\o 92 525iTA "Sharked" (Oo=00=oO) BMW CCA, Houston Chapter []=*****=[] FOR SALE> 95 Acura Integra GS-R 4-door - $9200 <-- want to move it fast > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:48:27 -0400 > From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] A quick note of thanks.. > > Did your OBC display the 106 temps? I saw mine in the Touring hitting and > staying at 99 through New York City yesterday and wondered if there were > only room for two digits since the Centigrade numbers will cover. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Real Maps. Was "Ofest routes" Michael: You bring up an interesting point with 'real' maps. Though you mention this in jest, it is a serious issue. I submit the following: 1. When faced with a lack of concordance between who encyclopediae on the length of a particular coastline, Benioit B. Mandelbrot investigated and realized the length was dependent on the least count of the scale used to measure. The increase in length with decrease in least count could be used to arrive at a dimension for the coastline form. Fractals were discovered! Wasted quite some time generating them in high school. 2. A friend of mine, working in the merchant navy, reports that they use GPS for open-sea navigation, but British Admiralty maps, admittedly less than accurate, for near-coast navigation. 3. NASA is working on a 3-D map of the entire globe. Maybe this will be on 3-D CD soon. NASA rocks! Neil Deshpande - uses fiancee for all navigation! http://www.neilwerke.com P.S. Here is an old joke: Why did Moses wander in the desert for 20 years? Because even then men did not stop and ask for directions! *** <[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before we go any further, whip out a freaking map of Eastern Massachusetts, "a real map (the kind you can fold up)", and compare the two routes in question. Starting at Sturbridge, either I90->I290->I495->I93 or I90->I95/128->I93. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:41:58 -0400 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Staying Awake Folks, I'm way late on this one, but can't pass up a rare opportunity to actually add something useful. It was stated "If anyone has any better way to stay awake on the road, I'm certainly open to suggestions". By far the most effective method I've found is sunflower seeds. Must be the brain power required to crack them open with your teeth, get the little seed separated, and spit out the shell. I usually buy a juice or something that comes in a bottle with a large opening (don't have to worry about spilling a coffee cup full of seeds that way) for spitting into and go on my merry way. Music, etc., never worked for me, but after happening on this little trick I've never had a problem - works for hours on end. Not too many other things you can actually eat for hours on end, either. Chris Baker '94 325i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: directional tires Neil: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Will time stand still? Only if the tires rotate really, reeeeeeally fast. You know that they can never get fast enough as per Einsteinian relativity! Almost, but never as. Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:49:51 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Directional tires on 8/7/01 1:29 PM, "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A pump has a rotating impeller in a stationary housing. Well, that would be just one of the many different kinds of pump. > A tire rotates but the road moves right along with it. Looking at it another > way, both the tire and road are stopped at the footprint. So where is the > pumping action? OK, the tread approaches the road at an angle, and diverting > the water to the side seems like a good idea, Gary has a point. But in fact a tire is a roller pump, and of exactly the wrong kind: it's trying to pump the water it encounters forward, which isn't at all what you want. The water-evacuating action of the tread perhaps isn't so much pumping as draining. In fact you're really trying to eliminate the tires natural forward pumping action by providing outlets for the water. I wonder if tread-squirm also provides some kind of internal pumping action? > but the shortest way through a footprint is straight to the rear, especially > for wide tires. That depends. The shortest path for water at the centre of the tread might be to the rear. For water nearer the edges of the tire it will be to the side. It seems to me that you need to allow both. > As a tire engineer, I designed some very cool directional tread patterns 20 > years ago but the marketing department thought no one would buy them. > > Directional patterns do help a little, but not that much. More benefit > comes from asymmetric patterns where the tread blocks are oriented in such a > way to take cornering and braking (front) or cornering and power (rear). > Also, aligning a tire so the tread splice remains closed from road abrasion > is a good thing and the reason pure racing tires are marked with arrows > indicating rotation front or rear. However current racing rain tires appear to rely heavily on directional feature. One assumes that Bridgestone and the others do this because it works. It's ironic that the marketing argument of 20 years ago against directional tread is now turned on its head. I'm sure that the public visibility of directional competition tires now makes their street counterparts easier to promote. Neil 96 M3 - Bridgestone S02 (directional) - Yokohama A032R (directional) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:02:39 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Said/Stuck win Sorry to those I must have offended with my comments about Portland (PTG M3 winning).....I can understand those that wish to have some warning about such comments (who tape races), but I really meant no harm...I was just excited after watching the reruns and the interviews...after all it was Monday night...everyone should have known by then who won in this day and age....anyway sorry. And btw, I tend to agree that Boris shoots off his mouth a bit much, but I take objection to any unkind remarks about Hans....he's a typical German and a damn good driver....you gotta love his enthusiasm (I do at least), and I'd still like to meet him someday. I wish you all could just lighten up on this subject....you should be glad the M3's are winning again. But I'll try to refrain from getting excited any more <g> Happy '02ing and ///Motoring (keep smiling..life is short), John Weese BMW CCA #76646 (loking for a bigger garage...with a lift) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:58:34 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Directional tires Squirm does help get through that last little bit of water film. A tire tread has to drain water and remain stable. One way is large tread blocks but the water has to drain across a long surface to do that. The original Comp T/A (my tire) had a V shaped block with a drain slot in the middle, similar to a Michelin TRX. A racing rain tire has significant drainage straight to the rear. The use of lateral grooves allows the tread blocks to be stiff against cornering loads, yet thin enough to drain easily. Tire treads compromise between stability and water drainage. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > on 8/7/01 1:29 PM, "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A pump has a rotating impeller in a stationary housing. > > Well, that would be just one of the many different kinds of pump. > > > A tire rotates but the road moves right along with it. Looking at it another > > way, both the tire and road are stopped at the footprint. So where is the > > pumping action? OK, the tread approaches the road at an angle, and diverting > > the water to the side seems like a good idea, > > Gary has a point. But in fact a tire is a roller pump, and of exactly the > wrong kind: it's trying to pump the water it encounters forward, which isn't > at all what you want. > > The water-evacuating action of the tread perhaps isn't so much pumping as > draining. In fact you're really trying to eliminate the tires natural > forward pumping action by providing outlets for the water. > > I wonder if tread-squirm also provides some kind of internal pumping action? > > > but the shortest way through a footprint is straight to the rear, especially > > for wide tires. > > That depends. The shortest path for water at the centre of the tread might > be to the rear. For water nearer the edges of the tire it will be to the > side. It seems to me that you need to allow both. > > > As a tire engineer, I designed some very cool directional tread patterns 20 > > years ago but the marketing department thought no one would buy them. > > > > Directional patterns do help a little, but not that much. More benefit > > comes from asymmetric patterns where the tread blocks are oriented in such a > > way to take cornering and braking (front) or cornering and power (rear). > > Also, aligning a tire so the tread splice remains closed from road abrasion > > is a good thing and the reason pure racing tires are marked with arrows > > indicating rotation front or rear. > > However current racing rain tires appear to rely heavily on directional > feature. One assumes that Bridgestone and the others do this because it > works. > > It's ironic that the marketing argument of 20 years ago against directional > tread is now turned on its head. I'm sure that the public visibility of > directional competition tires now makes their street counterparts easier to > promote. > > Neil > 96 M3 - Bridgestone S02 (directional) > - Yokohama A032R (directional) > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4114 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. "Chicago's Premier Automotive Appearance | Center" . http://www.detailwerkschicago.com |==================================================== | Koala MotorSport . 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