[uucdigest] Wednesday, January 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6024
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Re: [uuc] <E36> M3 Sedan questions Re: [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:09:00 -0500 From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: <BMW X5 4.6is> and car washes... Depends on your car wash. The older style car washes that are prevalent here in Mass. use the cloth material will kill your clearcoat (end up drying it out and it WILL spider-web like crazy). I can't tell you the number of cars (expensive or otherwise) that look like hell because of this. All the grime from everyone elses cars ends up caught in the cloth material and it gets rubbed in your paint. Newer "touchless" car washes are better but they still dry out your paint and remove any useful wax as the detergents are too harsh. Its just safer to leave the car dirty until you can hand wash them. Opinions differ wildly on this subject of course. - -Justin '76 02 (sleeping) '97 m3 (dirty as hell) >Not for nuthin', but it surprises me that BMW owners still think that modern >clear-coated paints are in any danger when run through a modern carwash >devoid of brillo pads and emery boards. I think my local carwash has >nothing harsher than the unshaven beard on the mat vacuum guy. >I love these cars... but they're modern cars, not Buggatti Royales. >Carwashes give me more driving time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:22:55 +0100 From: "Ulf Bertilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations > I think this applies in most states I've driven in > recently......For a while > Georgia tried enforcing a law that said speeding any amount > in construction > zones would result in an automatic 30-day in jail > sentence.....didn't last > long, the police, courts, jails couldn't handle the load.... Ask help from my greath nation of wilrderness. We know how to fill out jails with pot smoker, speeders, shoplifters and so. Rapeist, killers and real drug lords can walk freely as your jails are full and they are in que to waste time here. It's a wonderful world :) - -- Ulf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:36:28 -0500 From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> M3 Sedan questions Gruppe, I've been looking for an E36 M3 for a few weeks now, and have been looking solely at coupes. However, I've stumbled upon a '98 sedan with 64k for which the seller is asking just under $21k. This sounds like a great deal to me (save the caveat emptor, I know!), but I was wondering: Any differences between the sedan and the coupe (besides the seats, the framed-in doors, and the taillight/side markers)? Any comments? Thanks! KC Boyce '85 325e (sold...sigh) '95-'98 M3 (soon) E30 Eta Page: http://www.e30eta.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Construction Zones (was: Rob and radar detector recommendations) Pennsylvania, like others has some type of law where speeding in a construction zone is double fine which they apparently do not enforce because now they are trying to add (or successfully added) a new law which gives an automatic 15-day license suspension (which they probably will either not enforce or enforce like Nazis) - --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this applies in most states I've driven in > recently......For a while > Georgia tried enforcing a law that said speeding any > amount in construction > zones would result in an automatic 30-day in jail > sentence.....didn't last > long, the police, courts, jails couldn't handle the > load.... > > Lee > > > DON'T speed in construction zones in Wisconsin: > the fine > > doubles. And from what > > I've been reading on this digest, Wisconsin is in > the higher > > range of fines. > > > > Clarence; more careful in construction zones, but > yes, I > > understand the desire to go > > faster when nobody's around and the road is > straight and clear __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:04:31 -0600 From: Mark and Heather Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again) > > >Finally, if the gentleman from State Farm claims in >Texas would like to chime in, there must have been >someone from this list who has or who knows someone who >filed a claim after a driving school. Did coverage >apply, was there a fight or was it covered? > >Anybody? > I have two close friends that have had claims for their cars for when they had an incident at a driver's school... One stated that it was on track at a BMW CCA event, and I believe the claim rep contacted the chapter event chair for info, and afterwards, the claim was paid. The other person stated that his car went off road and hit a rock, and listed the location as a track... Although ambiguous, (a good idea in my opinion) he did not lie, and was prepared to continue to give honest and more detailed info if and when questions were posed, although the claim rep did not do so... Both claims were paid, and incidentally both were with State Farm, and these were in different states (one in Indiana, the other in Texas).. The friend in the former incident was dropped at the next renewal, and the friend in the latter still is covered although this event was only about 6 months ago.. With regards to the insurance offerred by American Collectors Insurance, It is comprehensive and collision coverages ONLY , and covers the vehicle at/on the track during Driver's Schools only, and while being trailered TO and FROM the track iss included free of charge.. It is not yet available in TX, but I "aksed" them to put me on their email list as they are working to expand the states they cover .... and here's why... While this is essentially for states where some companies have rewritten the policy to exclude any loss inside a racing facility... I think this might be a good option (if available) for those that don't want to get your normal auto policy involved or risk being dropped from your company that insures you for *multiple* automobiles... At 1.5% of the vehicle value .. that makes an annual premium on a 20K track car only $300... Compared to the average 10-15% surcharge ( for 3 years!) Again, it depends on your situation, but let's assume you have two cars (his and hers) and together you pay $1600 annually (that may be cheap for some of you in metro areas).. A 10-15% increase would be levied across ALL your automobiles on the policy if you claim a loss.. Assuming the minimum 10% increase, that's still $480 over a 3 year period .. And then there's the likelihood you could get dropped after the claim is paid! oh... by the way... the amount of the policy is an "agreed" value.. so no hassling when the loss happens.. ... let's see. 20K vehicle... less 20% deductible... That's 16K back if you wad it up at the track... In my mind, that $300 bucks for additional coverage is a no brainer.. and it's the cost of about 1 DE! Working it all out, it might be cheaper to claim it on your auto policy, by virtue of the 20% deductible versus *at worst* a 1K deductible on an auto policy, but it's probably worth lots of saved time and stress, especially the higher rates you would incur if you claimed a loss, were dropped, and had to go to another carrier. And if you are a homeowner, or have a good relationship with your insurance agent, then those things are concerns as well... As you can see in my examples above, with similar circumstances, one adjuster looked further, the other did not... As Al Buchanan suggested, there may be an adjuster that would deny the claim based on it being at a track even when there is coverage.. and then it would become a huge battle. For more info on American collectorrs, see http://www.americancollectorsins.com/driversed.htm. Mark Williams Dallas, TX 91 ///M3 2.5L claim rep by day.. Lone Star Chapter Autocross Chairman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:08:34 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <BMW X5 4.6is> and car washes... Note the use of the word "modern" in my earlier post. Modern carwashes are touchless, use buffered water, and some consider to be less harsh than using local groundwater of questionable acidity/alkalinity/mineral content. I can't vouch for all carwashes nor other parts of the country, but around here every single carwash has been re-fitted (some more than once) over the past five years. I like to wash my own car from time to time, but instead of letting grime, bird droppings, and road salt eat into the paint, I think that a _modern_ carwash is certainly an excellent alternative. It's sort of like how people hate a dentist's drill carving through a tooth, but how it is a good alternative to a cavity rotting the tooth away completely. What I really get a kick out of is "catching" another enthusiast at the carwash... that guilty smile, the "yeah, ya caught me", and then the realization that he has been "caught" only by sharing the same "dirty secret" (and then we turn on Kid Rock and don't tell anyone about that either!). Just my washed 2�... - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: re: <BMW X5 4.6is> and car washes... > Depends on your car wash. > > The older style car washes that are prevalent here in Mass. use the > cloth material will kill your clearcoat (end up drying it out and it > WILL spider-web like crazy). I can't tell you the number of cars > (expensive or otherwise) that look like hell because of this. All the > grime from everyone elses cars ends up caught in the cloth material and > it gets rubbed in your paint. > > Newer "touchless" car washes are better but they still dry out your > paint and remove any useful wax as the detergents are too harsh. > > Its just safer to leave the car dirty until you can hand wash them. > > Opinions differ wildly on this subject of course. > > -Justin > '76 02 (sleeping) > '97 m3 (dirty as hell) > > > >Not for nuthin', but it surprises me that BMW owners still think that > modern > >clear-coated paints are in any danger when run through a modern > carwash > >devoid of brillo pads and emery boards. I think my local carwash has > >nothing harsher than the unshaven beard on the mat vacuum guy. > > >I love these cars... but they're modern cars, not Buggatti Royales. > >Carwashes give me more driving time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:18:00 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: <BMW X5 4.6is> and car washes... One can do a very good job by hand, also a very poor job. Gary Derian > Depends on your car wash. > > The older style car washes that are prevalent here in Mass. use the > cloth material will kill your clearcoat (end up drying it out and it > WILL spider-web like crazy). I can't tell you the number of cars > (expensive or otherwise) that look like hell because of this. All the > grime from everyone elses cars ends up caught in the cloth material and > it gets rubbed in your paint. > > Newer "touchless" car washes are better but they still dry out your > paint and remove any useful wax as the detergents are too harsh. > > Its just safer to leave the car dirty until you can hand wash them. > > Opinions differ wildly on this subject of course. > > -Justin > '76 02 (sleeping) > '97 m3 (dirty as hell) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:37:16 -0500 From: "Dave Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> M3 Sedan questions You get an extra inch of headroom in the Sedan, but the whole car is one inch taller too! Supposedly, it is a little stiffer. Dave Kelley 98 M3 Sedan > Gruppe, > > I've been looking for an E36 M3 for a few weeks now, and have been > looking solely at coupes. However, I've stumbled upon a '98 sedan with > 64k for which the seller is asking just under $21k. > > This sounds like a great deal to me (save the caveat emptor, I know!), > but I was wondering: > > Any differences between the sedan and the coupe (besides the seats, the > framed-in doors, and the taillight/side markers)? > > Any comments? > > Thanks! > > KC Boyce > '85 325e (sold...sigh) > '95-'98 M3 (soon) > E30 Eta Page: http://www.e30eta.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:04:29 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clarence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Clarence; more careful in construction zones, but yes, I understand the desire to go > faster when nobody's around and the road is straight and clear I usually find 75mph to be "Jersey Standard" for not getting rear-ended by trucks! - - Rob ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6024 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. 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