[uucdigest] Friday, January 24 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6051
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 RE: [uuc] Re: UG jack pad [uuc] ABS light Re: [uuc] ABS light [uuc] <FS or trade> McGard wheel locks for E28 Re: [uuc] ABS light Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) RE: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) RE: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:28:16 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 on 1/23/03 1:15 PM, "Chamberlain, Jesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, I can't remember off the top of my head, but if I remember correctly > from the parts CD, if you have the sport package on your 325i, that the sway > bars are larger in diameter than the 95 M3s. (I am not 100% positive on this) The 325is front swaybar is 24mm vs. 23mm for a 3.2 M3. However since the 325 bar couples well inboard on the control arm and the M3's links to the strut, the latter is stiffer in effect. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:32:53 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 Uh, there are no king pins on a late model BMW . . . . . Ed Mark Dadgar wrote: >Anyone swapped M3 kingpins on to a 325? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:46:12 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 Steering knuckle, then. - - Mark Ed MacVaugh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Uh, there are no king pins on a late model BMW . . . . . > > Ed > > Mark Dadgar wrote: > >> Anyone swapped M3 kingpins on to a 325? >> >> > > - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:03:06 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: UG jack pad Darn, I was going to offer $30 ;-) Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neil Maller Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: UG jack pad It's sold. (And not to Marco!) Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:31:04 -0500 From: James Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] ABS light Sometimes after my ABS goes off on my 1990 e30 325ic (lots of ice these days) the ABS light will come on. I will test the ABS system and the wheels will lock. The next day the light is off and the ABS works. Any ideas? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:56:41 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS light Metal shavings clogging some or all of the wheel speed sensors. They can be pulled out from the backing plate side with a small hex key though I can't remember the size. You can wipe off a bunch of shavings and slip them back in (nice and dry so less stuff sticks) and you should be good to go. Geeeze From: "James Levine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sometimes after my ABS goes off on my 1990 e30 325ic (lots of ice these > days) the ABS light will come on. I will test the ABS system and the > wheels will lock. The next day the light is off and the ABS works. > Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:31:38 -0600 From: Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <FS or trade> McGard wheel locks for E28 I have a set of McGard wheel locks with a spare key for sale and/or trade. They are currently in use, so I'll entertain pretty much any offer that includes replacement wheel bolts. That would mean either cash plus 4 regular bolts, or even trade for a whole set of used regular E28 bolts. Neil '86 M535i ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:39:19 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS light Add to that significant surface corrosion on the toothed hub rings which can be scraped off in many cases, but some may be too far gone. Recent road-saltings may have done yours in. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS light > Metal shavings clogging some or all of the wheel speed sensors. > Geeeze > > > From: "James Levine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sometimes after my ABS goes off on my 1990 e30 325ic (lots of ice these > > days) the ABS light will come on. I will test the ABS system and the > > wheels will lock. The next day the light is off and the ABS works. > > Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:51:24 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 As I posted earlier..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 > If you want true M3 suspension, you'll need to change your rear control arms. > > However, the front struts/knuckles and rear shocks/springs will bolt right in > to your car. - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dadgar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 > Peter Guagenti was telling me this morning that the M3 front kingpins are > different and the M3 has a slightly narrower track (and better turn-in) as a > result. > > Anyone swapped M3 kingpins on to a 325? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:21:38 -0800 (PST) From: Paul DeWitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) I was wondering if anybody knew the exact way an E34 M5 moves air through the rear brakes. If you remove the M-System covers on the rear axle, people have said you will possibly damage the brake rotors becasue gravel and other debris will be sucked onto the brakes. It is sometimes referred to as the "Venturi Effect." I have a feeling that the E34 M5 (and most BMWs) blow air out from the inside of the wheel, and that is the reason BMW's have problems (well, the owners do) with brake dust coating the wheels. Any thoughts? Thanks, Paul DeWitt 1988 M5 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:33:58 -0500 From: "Matt Tremmel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Retrofit M3 suspension to 94 325 The M3 and 325i/is front swaybars are interchangeable. The bars are the same, just attach to different points (control arms on the 325, the struts on the M3). The links are what makes them "different"). I have a 95 M3 swaybar in my 94 325is right now (Thanks Marco!). Matt T. 1994 325is > For example, taking the 325i sport swaybar and connecting it to a front M3 strut? >Just wondering.. :) >Jesse C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:00:57 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) I read that note on a website for throwing star wheels once, and have been testing the theory ever since. I run a set of fan wheels without the fans on my E28 M5. I have noticed no difference, escept the lower unsprong weight. Ed Paul DeWitt wrote: >I was wondering if anybody knew the exact way an E34 >M5 moves air through the rear brakes. If you remove >the M-System covers on the rear axle, people have said >you will possibly damage the brake rotors becasue >gravel and other debris will be sucked onto the >brakes. It is sometimes referred to as the "Venturi >Effect." > >I have a feeling that the E34 M5 (and most BMWs) blow >air out from the inside of the wheel, and that is the >reason BMW's have problems (well, the owners do) with >brake dust coating the wheels. > >Any thoughts? > >Thanks, >Paul DeWitt >1988 M5 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:24:10 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) You noticed approximately 3lbs per corner? Ed, you've missed your calling in life. Organic-precision calibration should have been your field. Now if the M5 wheel's air-moving capacity were sufficient to lift rocks off the pavement, I think those oval-track guys may have found a new way to handle the corners better... simply mount that style of wheel cover backwards on one side. Left side sucks car in, right side blows it away from the wall. Think NASCAR is ready for that level of Bavarian technology? I think "I read it on the internet" ought to be viewed as a big flashing sign that says "consider this false until reality check is completed." - - Rob '94 M5 with wheel covers that cannot suck rocks off the pavement. '98 750iL/6, also no rock-sucking capability. - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) >I read that note on a website for throwing star wheels once, and have > >been testing the theory ever since. I run a set of fan wheels without > >the fans on my E28 M5. I have noticed no difference, escept the lower > >unsprong weight. > >Ed > >Paul DeWitt wrote: > >>I was wondering if anybody knew the exact way an E34 >>M5 moves air through the rear brakes. If you remove >>the M-System covers on the rear axle, people have said >>you will possibly damage the brake rotors becasue >>gravel and other debris will be sucked onto the >>brakes. It is sometimes referred to as the "Venturi >>Effect." >> >>I have a feeling that the E34 M5 (and most BMWs) blow >>air out from the inside of the wheel, and that is the >>reason BMW's have problems (well, the owners do) with >>brake dust coating the wheels. >> >>Any thoughts? >> >>Thanks, >>Paul DeWitt >>1988 M5 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:05:57 -0500 From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) I don't have a knowledgeable answer, but I find that HIGHLY unlikely or they would not have changed wheel covers on the M5. I have never heard of such issues and nor do I remotely believe it either, Mike - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul DeWitt Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) I was wondering if anybody knew the exact way an E34 M5 moves air through the rear brakes. If you remove the M-System covers on the rear axle, people have said you will possibly damage the brake rotors becasue gravel and other debris will be sucked onto the brakes. It is sometimes referred to as the "Venturi Effect." I have a feeling that the E34 M5 (and most BMWs) blow air out from the inside of the wheel, and that is the reason BMW's have problems (well, the owners do) with brake dust coating the wheels. Any thoughts? Thanks, Paul DeWitt 1988 M5 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:01 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) Rob, I certainly noticed the difference, wasn't hard, I weighed them on a scale! 4.2 lbs. per wheel going from stock with center hubs with Pirelli P7000 to E34 (no stars, no fans, Mercedes center caps with roundels) with Pilot Sport A/S. Ed Rob Levinson wrote: >You noticed approximately 3lbs per corner? Ed, you've missed your >calling in life. Organic-precision calibration should have been your >field. > >Now if the M5 wheel's air-moving capacity were sufficient to lift >rocks off the pavement, I think those oval-track guys may have found >a new way to handle the corners better... simply mount that style of >wheel cover backwards on one side. Left side sucks car in, right >side blows it away from the wall. Think NASCAR is ready for that >level of Bavarian technology? > >I think "I read it on the internet" ought to be viewed as a big >flashing sign that says "consider this false until reality check is >completed." > >- Rob >'94 M5 with wheel covers that cannot suck rocks off the pavement. >'98 750iL/6, also no rock-sucking capability. > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Brake Ventilation (E34 M5) > > > >>I read that note on a website for throwing star wheels once, and have >> >>been testing the theory ever since. I run a set of fan wheels without >> >>the fans on my E28 M5. I have noticed no difference, escept the lower >> >>unsprong weight. >> >>Ed >> >>Paul DeWitt wrote: >> >> >> >>>I was wondering if anybody knew the exact way an E34 >>>M5 moves air through the rear brakes. If you remove >>>the M-System covers on the rear axle, people have said >>>you will possibly damage the brake rotors becasue >>>gravel and other debris will be sucked onto the >>>brakes. It is sometimes referred to as the "Venturi >>>Effect." >>> >>>I have a feeling that the E34 M5 (and most BMWs) blow >>>air out from the inside of the wheel, and that is the >>>reason BMW's have problems (well, the owners do) with >>>brake dust coating the wheels. >>> >>>Any thoughts? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Paul DeWitt >>>1988 M5 >>> >>> > > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6051 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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