[uucdigest] Sunday, February 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6082
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Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Question [uuc] Timing chain tensioner [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations Re: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations [uuc] Car Fax Request Please Re: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:08:09 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Questions One question, what does the Plexiglas shield do in a crash? Does it fracture into long shards that pierce your neck? Has the manufacturer done any testing on it? Gary Derian > The plexiglass does sound interesting, as the '00 that I was looking at, > it had that BMW one in the trunk, and it appeared that it would block the > nice looks of that rollbar system and such, kinda ruining the over all > beauty in the style of design. > > I think I mentioned this before, but driving it reminded me of some of > the other open tops roadsters I've owned in the past, with 2 big > exceptions... You could feel the quailty, and it had a scarey fast > amount of HP/Torque. I got that shit eating grin on my face I couldn't > peel off when driving it. I think you guys know the look. > > Tom Childers wrote: > > > I totally agree with Martin that the M Roadster is by far the most > > fun car I've ever owned, both in the twisties and just driving around > > town. > > > > The two upgrades that were most important to me is a wind screen > > behind the seats, and a smaller rear view mirror. Info on both is > > available at http://www.mz3.net I got the stock BMW wind screen, but > > the plexiglas aftermarket screen looks interesting. The stock screen > > is easy to drop if you are driving at night with the top up...there > > are two zippers that release it from between the seats. > > > > The Gary Hansel mirror adapter is a great help. The smaller mirror > > really improves visibility to the front right quarter if you are more > > than 5' 8" tall. > > -tdc > > > > '98 M Roadster > > '88 M5 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:52:55 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re:[uuc] '00 M Roadster Question Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>I learned that only the '01 model M Roadster has/had a larger more >> powerful eninge, perhaps an optional eninge. Is this a true statement, >> and if so, whats hte engine size and HP of that larger engine engine/ >> option? "True. It's the S54 3.2l from the E46 M3 in slightly detuned form (315hp). It's more-or-less the same cc as the previous S52 3.2l, but more powerful/sophisticated/expensive. However, the S54 motor has been having some reliability issues (primarily with connecting rod failures; the rev limit is around 8k)." It's interesting that the S54B32 engine which appeared in the late Roadsters and Coupes had similar power outputs, at similar engine speeds, to the S50B32 (the "Euro" motor) which appeared in both E36 M3 and M Roadster/Coupe. In the Roadster/Coupe, this engine was down on power by a few percent because of exhaust limitations. The power output of 315 hp/325 bhp was achieved at 7,400 rpm and the car redlined at 7,600 rpm. The earlier S50B32 (S52B32 was the 3.2 litre US/Canada engine) was one of the strongest, most reliable engines BMW has ever made; those last few hundred rpm seem to have been the undoing of various key components, and the engine's reputation for reliability. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:17:40 -0500 From: "Kathy Lyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] More "Dzus". Thank you. ;-) - ---- Kathryn M. Lyle, CPA, CVA Lyle & Associates CPA www.lylecpa.com Creating Business Value ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:49:52 -0600 From: Jay Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Question I understand that BMW will give extended coverge for those S54 engines in all the M models. This coincides with the artical I read stating the '01, '02 at least will get that coverage. But I hear that the problem ones are Dec '01 and prior engines I guess built for the '01 model, and anything after that is ok?? Did at some point they rectify the problem, or are ALL those S54 engines in all the M's getting the free ext. warr. because the problem is a much wider range of time/serial numbers, like two years? Could be my misunderstanding. If others could please help clarify. I'd hate to get rid of one problem car and buy another. Thx, Jay Andrew Thomas wrote: > Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>I learned that only the '01 model M Roadster has/had a larger more > >> powerful eninge, perhaps an optional eninge. Is this a true statement, > >> and if so, whats hte engine size and HP of that larger engine engine/ > >> option? > > "True. It's the S54 3.2l from the E46 M3 in slightly detuned form (315hp). > It's more-or-less the same cc as the previous S52 3.2l, but more > powerful/sophisticated/expensive. However, the S54 motor has been having > some reliability issues (primarily with connecting rod failures; the rev > limit is around 8k)." > > It's interesting that the S54B32 engine which appeared in the late Roadsters > and Coupes had similar power outputs, at similar engine speeds, to the > S50B32 (the "Euro" motor) which appeared in both E36 M3 and M > Roadster/Coupe. In the Roadster/Coupe, this engine was down on power by a > few percent because of exhaust limitations. The power output of 315 hp/325 > bhp was achieved at 7,400 rpm and the car redlined at 7,600 rpm. The > earlier S50B32 (S52B32 was the 3.2 litre US/Canada engine) was one of the > strongest, most reliable engines BMW has ever made; those last few hundred > rpm seem to have been the undoing of various key components, and the > engine's reputation for reliability. > > Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:34:46 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Question BMW Service Information Bulletin # 11 04 02 states: Subject - S54 Engine - Extended Warranty Model - E36/7, M Roadster/coupe with S54 engine from 02/02 up to 06/02 E46, M3 coupe/convertible with S54 engine from 03/01 ++++++ Note that it does NOT have a cut off date for the M3. - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Question > I understand that BMW will give extended coverge for those S54 engines in all > the M models. This coincides with the artical I read stating the '01, '02 at > least will get that coverage. But I hear that the problem ones are Dec '01 and > prior engines I guess built for the '01 model, and anything after that is ok?? > Did at some point they rectify the problem, or are ALL those S54 engines in all > the M's getting the free ext. warr. because the problem is a much wider range of > time/serial numbers, like two years? Could be my misunderstanding. If others > could please help clarify. I'd hate to get rid of one problem car and buy > another. Thx, Jay > > Andrew Thomas wrote: > > > Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >>I learned that only the '01 model M Roadster has/had a larger more > > >> powerful eninge, perhaps an optional eninge. Is this a true statement, > > >> and if so, whats hte engine size and HP of that larger engine engine/ > > >> option? > > > > "True. It's the S54 3.2l from the E46 M3 in slightly detuned form (315hp). > > It's more-or-less the same cc as the previous S52 3.2l, but more > > powerful/sophisticated/expensive. However, the S54 motor has been having > > some reliability issues (primarily with connecting rod failures; the rev > > limit is around 8k)." > > > > It's interesting that the S54B32 engine which appeared in the late Roadsters > > and Coupes had similar power outputs, at similar engine speeds, to the > > S50B32 (the "Euro" motor) which appeared in both E36 M3 and M > > Roadster/Coupe. In the Roadster/Coupe, this engine was down on power by a > > few percent because of exhaust limitations. The power output of 315 hp/325 > > bhp was achieved at 7,400 rpm and the car redlined at 7,600 rpm. The > > earlier S50B32 (S52B32 was the 3.2 litre US/Canada engine) was one of the > > strongest, most reliable engines BMW has ever made; those last few hundred > > rpm seem to have been the undoing of various key components, and the > > engine's reputation for reliability. > > > > Andy T > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:29:32 -0500 From: "Marshall Lytle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] carfax? anyone have an open carfax account that wouldn't mind running vin for me? 1GNGK26JXXJ472142 it isn't a bmw, but i hope it will be regularly towing one...;-) thanks, marshall mblytle "at" compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:43:17 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Question Brett Did they finally figured out the cause of these failures and fix it, or you think the warranty is just a band-aid for resale values of these (think lease returns that BMW Bank needs to deal with) On 2/2/03 3:34 PM, "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BMW Service Information Bulletin # 11 04 02 states: > > Subject - S54 Engine - Extended Warranty > > Model - E36/7, M Roadster/coupe with S54 engine from 02/02 up to 06/02 > E46, M3 coupe/convertible with S54 engine from 03/01 > > ++++++ > > Note that it does NOT have a cut off date for the M3. > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > BMW Special Tool Rentals > Pay per incident tech support > ----------------------------------------------------- > Brett Anderson > KMS > (440) 338 1650 > www.koalamotorsport.com > > OSS committee member > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:53:16 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Timing chain tensioner I'm getting the cold-start engine rattle in my 95 318ti so I'm going to attempt to replace the tensioner...rattle or not, with 121k on the car I think it's time (my dealer, which is normally quite good, hasn't heard anything about this....). �From what I gather it's a simple remove old/replace with new, but the Haynes says tighten the plug to 18 ft/lb and Bentley specifies 30. �Assuming I can get a torque wrench in there at all, does it really matter? �Any other tips besides removing the washer reservoir and coilpack? �I'm gonna wait for a warmish day to do this, as revving a stone-cold engine to 3500 for a minute to prime the tensioner gives me the heebie-jeebies.... Thanks all-- Gary Buff 95 318ti 03 Cooper on order ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:48:40 -0600 From: Jay Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations Can a person easily (Read: bolt on, after market) get the HP/Torque rating of the '99 - '00 240HP engine to match up to the the HP/Torque of the '01 - '02 315HP engines? Seems that it wouldn't be that difficult to make up that 75 HP difference, and hopefully equivilent on the torque scale after mods, w/o putting that engine at rick for problems with rods and bearings. What is a ~reasonable~ upper limit of output on a 240 base '99 - '00. 325HP, 350HP, 350HP+?? And still stay on pump gas. Thanks, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:40:32 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations Yes Call Mr. Dinan and ask for the S2 or the S3 package, more HP and much more torque than the S54. The achilles heel of the S54 engine is the lack of torque esp. when compared to the S52 engines that came before it. Same torque just more horsepower. And you may ask, why does the E46 M3 so much faster than the E36 M3 in a straight line, that's easy 6 gears and different rear-end ratio. Bora On 2/2/03 4:48 PM, "Jay Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can a person easily (Read: bolt on, after market) get the HP/Torque > rating of the '99 - '00 240HP engine to match up to the the HP/Torque of > the '01 - '02 315HP engines? Seems that it wouldn't be that difficult > to make up that 75 HP difference, and hopefully equivilent on the torque > scale after mods, w/o putting that engine at rick for problems with rods > and bearings. What is a ~reasonable~ upper limit of output on a 240 > base '99 - '00. 325HP, 350HP, 350HP+?? And still stay on pump gas. > Thanks, Jay > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 19:34:41 -0600 From: Jay Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Car Fax Request Please Hi, I saw a post a moment ago, good idea. Yes please, if anyone has an open Car Fax account, if they don't mind. WBSCK9348YLC93176 Thanks! - --Jay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 19:43:39 -0600 From: Jay Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations You say so much faster as though the E46 can pass it like it's painted on the road. Surely it's not that more proverally faster. I would think that HP/Torque improvements alone could make it an even match in a straight line... "Bora Akyol (BMW)" wrote: > Yes > > Call Mr. Dinan and ask for the S2 or the S3 package, more HP and much more > torque than the S54. The achilles heel of the S54 engine is the lack of > torque esp. when compared to the S52 engines that came before it. Same > torque just more horsepower. And you may ask, why does the E46 M3 so much > faster than the E36 M3 in a straight line, that's easy 6 gears and different > rear-end ratio. > > Bora > > On 2/2/03 4:48 PM, "Jay Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can a person easily (Read: bolt on, after market) get the HP/Torque > > rating of the '99 - '00 240HP engine to match up to the the HP/Torque of > > the '01 - '02 315HP engines? Seems that it wouldn't be that difficult > > to make up that 75 HP difference, and hopefully equivilent on the torque > > scale after mods, w/o putting that engine at rick for problems with rods > > and bearings. What is a ~reasonable~ upper limit of output on a 240 > > base '99 - '00. 325HP, 350HP, 350HP+?? And still stay on pump gas. > > Thanks, Jay > > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6082 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
