[uucdigest] Tuesday, February 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6145
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Re: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming [uuc] Ice Racing in Texas, Anyone? [uuc] Oil Loss in S50 [uuc] Cooling system Re: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:17:33 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Custom Chip Programming Brad, try this http://www.electromotive-inc.com/products/tec3.html I know of people getting good results. It's a replacement, but I hear it has a good interface. Marco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:12:28 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Typo? Was <E28> Ongoing Idle / Stalling Issues..Back from the Wrench Ron, was the 10,000 miles a typo? There is a recommended change interval for fuel filters, but it is a lot longer than 10K miles! I'd expect something more like 25K to 30K miles. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:15:17 -0500 >From: "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] <E28> Ongoing Idle / Stalling Issues..Back from the Wrench > >Hi All. > >Just got back from the wrench.. I now have a new fuel filter. The one that >came out of the car was from 1996. (previous owner never changed it at all) >Wow.. they are supposed to be changed every 10,000 miles. <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:25:56 -0500 From: James Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Custom Chip Programming I wrote a nice long reply, but then realized it doesn't matter. Here's my short concise reply: 1. I do get it. Been spinning wrenches on my own car for 10 years now. 2. Good luck. Jim Moran '88 M6 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Couvillon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > James, > > No offense, but -- to me -- people like you are the > same people that just don't get it when it's all said > and done. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Brad Couvillon wrote: > I did NOT ask someone to convince me not to do this. > This is the same crap I read over and over from Jim C > in the DIY EFI archives. I'm not asking someone to > give me anything. All I want is a little guidance. I'm glad nobody ever told Jim C that he shouldn't bother learning about engine control stuff. And if they did, I'm glad he didn't listen. Similarly, I'm disinclined to listen to the naysayers, even if Jim C hisself parts the clouds and wags his golden finger down from heaven at me. If people like Brad want to play with this stuff on their 15-year-old cars, the worst they should hear is, "I doubt you'll have much success, because of X or Y." The hacker ethic dictates that we must play, we must discover, we must learn, even it it's *gasp* difficult. As for me, I think I'll buy a spare ECU and start hacking. :) - -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Custom Chip Programming Jim, This would've done better as the first post. : -) No hard feelings. Brad - --- James Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's my short > concise reply: > > 1. I do get it. Been spinning wrenches on my own > car for 10 years now. > 2. Good luck. > > Jim Moran > '88 M6 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming John, It looks to me like most of the stuff where Jim C was ripping someone a new one was when said person would ask something like "I'm trying to hack into my ECU. How do I do it?" People like that need to just pony up the $$$$ for custom tuning from someone else or spend more time reading the archives. I've spent hours and hours looking through those DIY EFI archives to find information on this, and I've come up with very little (although what I have is quite useful). I remember one specific post from Jim C from about January 1997 that went something like this: "If the original poster would care to. . . 1) Read the EPROM 2) Know the 8051 instruction set 3) Dissasemble the chip 4) Start working . . . I will then. . . 5) Help you out." Oh, here's the link right here. Just found it: http://www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi/archive/1997-January/msg00120.html - --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Similarly, I'm disinclined to listen to the > naysayers, even if Jim C > hisself parts the clouds and wags his golden finger > down from heaven > at me. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Typo? Was <E28> Ongoing Idle / Stalling Issues..Back from the Wrench I think it's 12,000, Scott. Bentley says it somewhere in lube and maintenance. Maybe it's in the Inspection I table? Brad Couvillon - --- Scott & Charlotte Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron, was the 10,000 miles a typo? There is a > recommended change interval > for fuel filters, but it is a lot longer than 10K > miles! I'd expect > something more like 25K to 30K miles. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:03:08 -0500 From: "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: E28 Oxygen Sensor Replacement OK, Thanks for the info, however I am unclear about the message.. Am I to buy a 1987 Ford Mustang O2 sensor, which is a Bosch #13913, with 3 wires? or is that Bosch a seperate unit. Second.. Once I have the unit, I am supposed to do some splicing? >From what I can tell under the car, there is a male/female junction before the sensor where it detaches. On the sensor side of the juction, you have 2 female and 1 male in the round connector. Should I keep the connector leads from my old sensor and splice them into the new Ford one? Please let me know Cheers Ron J 85 535i 73 911s 2.7 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. McWilliams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: E28 Oxygen Sensor Replacement > 1987 5.0 Mustang with 13�long wire (~$US40) > Buy the Bosch #13913 (3 wires). > Go to the Radio Shack or other electronics store and buy some deluxe > male/female wire connectors. Pop for the deluxe insulated ones. > I clipped everything leaving behind the retrofit female ends on the OEM > wiring. Clip the O2 sensor wires and retrofit with insulated males. Instant > $60 savings. > The female connects stay in, easy change when Mr. O2 needs to be replaced. > > John in VA > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:10:21 -0800 From: steve lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Found floating in the 'bay... Hartge H7S: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2404833700&category=6131 No affiliation whatsoever, etc. etc. blah blah blah. steve (near OC if someone needs a pre-bid inspection) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:11:12 -0500 From: James Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming I guess that's the difference between a hack and an engineer. An engineer takes the time to learn the fundamentals of the subject before wrecking something. To me, hacking away at something without knowing the principles behind its operation is a waste of time. But hey, knock yourself out. Jim Moran '88 M6 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The hacker ethic dictates that we must play, we must discover, we > must learn, even it it's *gasp* difficult. As for me, I think I'll > buy a spare ECU and start hacking. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:16:12 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Ice Racing in Texas, Anyone? Just saw the news report of the snow/ice storm in Texas. Maybe you Texas guys could get in a couple of ice races before it melts? Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:16:33 -0500 From: "Chris Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Oil Loss in S50 My car seems to be burning way to much oil lately, 1+ quart every 1k. I am unable to find any leaks, I found a tiny bit of oil on the head behind the t-stat housing, but it appeared to be minute. The Valve cover gasket seems to be good. Under the car looks good. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:37:42 -0800 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Cooling system We are really having problems with my wife's 540 cooling system. The end of last Nov. I took it to the dealer so he could investigate why there were dried coolant spots scattered around the driver's side of the engine room, mostly on the oil filter housing. They gave it back with a replaced coolant overflow cap. Sheesh, the cap is way on the other side of the car, so I knew this story wasn't over yet. A couple of weeks later my wife arrives home from work and charges in the door screaming that her car is smoking. I opened the hood and the entire engine room was covered with coolant. Guess what the problem was, yep, broken radiator neck. So the radiator got replaced. Then mid January, Maggie calls me from a parking lot and says her car is steaming again. Back to the dealer and this time it was the block-to-heater hose that split, the one normal people can't get to in order to change. So they changed that hose. While it was there, I showed them how the interior of the drivers side headlamp assembly was still filled with condensation which happened when the radiator neck broke. So they replaced the headlamp assembly. It's sure nice to have a clean plastic cover over the headlamps. Then yesterday Maggie calls and says that the 'Coolant Low' error flashed on the MID and went away. The temp. gauge still showed normal. So she drove the remaining two minutes to work. I told her to go out at lunch and check out the coolant level after it had had a chance to cool down. The lunchtime inspection showed a large puddle of coolant under the car, so once again it was flat bed time to the dealer. This time the problem was a cracked overflow tank. Each of the four times it has been in for cooling system work, they have pressure tested it. Oh yes, somewhere in there the cat converters were replaced, both of them, probably not related to cooling system failures, but who knows. She has had the car (1998 540iA) for three years, and this is the first stuff to go bad. Since it was a CPO car, all of this was fixed at no charge. They even waived the $50 deductible charge each time. So now I wonder what the next weak link is going to be. They can't replace parts proactively under the CPO program, but must wait for a failure. It's a pain for my wife to deal with this, but she gets a loaner each time. Twice, the loaner was a new 3.0 Z3, and both times we had the Roadster over the weekend. That was pretty cool and pretty much makes up for the inconvenience. My '00 540/6 was in last week for new front pads, rotors, and fluid flush, all free under the scheduled maintenance program. I got the Roadster as a loaner again, also for the weekend. We took a drive over to Half Moon Bay with our puppy dog, walked the beach and watched him chase the 'moving water'. It was really very entertaining. I really like the 3.0 Roadster a lot. It's no 540, but it isn't slow my any means. The drop top is pretty cool, and we have always had the top down when we have had this loaner. Yesterday I swapped the pads for my Porterfield R4 pads in preparation for track school at Sears Point next weekend. WooHoo!!! That's all Steve Albrecht Cupertino CA '98 540iA '00 540i/6 '02 R1150RT -> The real BMW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:42:25 -0500 From: Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming I don't think "hacker" and "hack" equate quite the way you imply. Seems to me that the original poster was quite interested in learning the fundamentals as much as possible, and looking for any tips that may help speed up the process. I, for one, am mighty impressed with the initiative. What the hell has he got to lose? Chris B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Custom Chip Programming > I guess that's the difference between a hack and an engineer. An engineer takes > the time to learn the fundamentals of the subject before wrecking something. To > me, hacking away at something without knowing the principles behind its > operation is a waste of time. > > But hey, knock yourself out. > > Jim Moran > '88 M6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The hacker ethic dictates that we must play, we must discover, we > > must learn, even it it's *gasp* difficult. As for me, I think I'll > > buy a spare ECU and start hacking. :) > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6145 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
