[uucdigest] Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6177
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Autocrossing Helmet Recommendations Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords Re: [uuc] <E28> will 17" wheels found a set RE: [uuc] WA state to regulate racing schools [uuc] Idle Speed Control Actuator Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords Re: [uuc] BMWs Getting Too Complicated (was <E34> Problem with a/c) RE: [uuc] Autocrossing Helmet Recommendations Re: [uuc] Autocrossing Helmet Recommendations Re: [uuc] WA state to regulate racing schools Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:23:28 -0500 From: "mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Autocrossing Helmet Recommendations If you are only going to use the helmet for autoXing, Then find out what the minium spec allowed is, then shop for the most comfortable helmet that meets it. Not sure about Xing, if bike helmets are allowed or do you need a SA helmet? I have a Bell M2 that fit my melon head just perfect, it has held up well and I like it alot. But comparing it to the mutiple motorcycle helmets I own, I like the much larger opening in the M helmets myself. I have had Bell, Bieffi, Shoei and HJC The bell appears to be the best helmet, with the Shoei and Bieffi dead even. The HJC feels the cheapest, but fits great and was the only tilt full face helmet that fit my head. Was looking for the BMW system helmet, but none fit well at all. For any riders out there, try a flip up full face helmet sometime, I was shocked at how much I really really like it compared to the typical full face helmet. It is so convienent for drinking, parking the bike at slow speeds, talking at red lights etc adn just cooling off at low speeds around town etc. They are noisy but with a BMW bike, the fairings do a good job of blocking most of the wind. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:22:56 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords Gary Derian wrote: > That Aston Martin V-12 is 2 Taurus engines put together. yep. the initial development was done with mules built that way, but the production engines are developed a bit more IIRC. the power numbers aren't much more than two of the current ST220 Mondeo's 220hp put together tho, but I guess that's no different than the V12 in the McLaren F1, which was basically twice the power of the S50B30's on which it was based. Ben would take an Aston Martin "Taurus" anyday :-P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:19:14 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E28> will 17" wheels found a set Ron J wrote: > Seems I found a set of wheels including tires for $1000 Canadian (approx 700 > USD) They are TSW wheels, all aluminum.. nice and light. define "nice and light". TSW wheels are _not_ known for being lightweight wheels. I don't think they're particularily soft like some aftermarket (and some BMW OE) wheels but they're not light. in my book a "light" 17x7.5 wheel is less than 18 lbs. "heavy" is more than 24, "normal" would be in between. > The rim style is TSW Blade. Nice wheel. They are brand new, so the holes > and the machining has to be done tommorrow, and I should have them on the > car by Friday brand new like they don't have _any_ holes in them ? interesting that you can buy them that way. the price sounds like a good deal tho, as the tires are at likely ~$150 each & the wheels about the same. all that for ~$625 in USD seems like a bargain to me. Ben lots & lots & lots & lots & lots of wheels in the basement, garage, friend's basements and garages... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:35:05 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] WA state to regulate racing schools You're preaching to the choir. I'm a libertarian. The less laws the better (up to a point). Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dorffer, Rich Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] WA state to regulate racing schools Marco said > > Tragic Agreed, but you can't regulate away every possible accident or scenario where someone might get hurt. I fear that a situation like this Ashley Bergman gets a lot of attention until some legislator notices and know you have to deal with silly regulations with the right intention but the wrong means or method. My sister who was just two years older than me was killed in a car accident when she was seventeen. She was every bit revered as any girl I have ever known and was certainly a tragic loss for my family and the community. Regards, Rich - rides motorcycles too much to my mother's chagrin 95 M3 90 325is ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:35:22 -0700 From: Wendall Siemens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Idle Speed Control Actuator Does anyone know offhand if the Idle speed control actuator is the same between a 92 325i & 97 328i? Thanks Wendall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:39:47 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords Its two Duratec DOHC engines, not the pushrod 3.8 liter. Pretty good for an plain jane engine. Gary Derian > uh oh, > > does that mean piece of shit squared? > > > That Aston Martin V-12 is 2 Taurus engines put together. > > Gary Derian > > > > > I suspect that there are moves going on now to put the Jag 4.2l V8 into > > > the RR for the middle models & some sort of Aston Martin-based > > > V12 being figured for the top of the range ones. the only thing we > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:42:41 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMWs Getting Too Complicated (was <E34> Problem with a/c) Climate control? When I was your age I just stuffed ice cubes in my shorts, and we liked it that way. Gary Derian > "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <rant on> > > This is what is wrong with the newer BMWs. (One thing anyway.) > > OK, luddite, lets have some fun with your post ;-) > > > >"Brant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Without shutting the engine > > >off, they got the car onto their computer and discovered that they > could > > >not "see" the a/c control computer. After a shutdown and restart, the > > >fault corrected itself and they could "see" the computer. They > replaced > > >the computer and the problem has not recurred. > > > <snip> > > >Brant > > > > Why does a car need a computer to control the AC? What is wrong with the > > old systems? > > Old systems did not support climate control. > When it got too hot, you cranked the temp dial down. Or push the AC > button. Too cold? Crank it up. > If you want climate control, the above process has to be automated. Thus > the need for an HVAC computer. Sadly, that introduces inevitable the long > term reliability issues. > > FWIW, my '95 E36 has the first generation climate control with rotary temp > dials and driver controlled fan speed and air flow direction flaps. I much > prefer that to my old E30's crank up down temp dial approach. No more > adjusting the HVAC depending on how the sun hits your car or how slowly > the coolant is warming up. > > My wife's '98 E36 has the fully integrated digital climate control. That > baby automatically adjusts the air flow speed and direction depending on > your desired settings and available coolant temperature. If it's too cold > outside, it keeps the air flow to the minimum (zero to the face) until the > coolant warms up. Than it ramps up as the coolant warms up. Once the cabin > is brought to the desired temp settings, it ramps back down. Very slick. > > Unfortunately, that $300 digital HVAC control is yet another thing that > can and does frequently go bad. > > > One or two switches, a thermostat, a bunch of plumbing, a few mechanical > > parts and some refrigerant was sufficient. Now a computer fails and no > > one can figure it out without another computer to test the fauty computer. > > An experienced tech would probably tell you what's wrong with either E30 > or E36+ HVAC by just looking at it. > Alas, those are getting very rare at the dealership. > > > I'm all in favor of tech advances, I just don't see the point. > > The point is climate control. > And yes, it is more complex and inherently less reliable. $300 for the > HVAC controller and god know how much for all flap motors. > Wonderful when it works, mucho dinero when it doesn't. > > > I like my simple, albiet somewhat ancient, E30. Three levers. Each one > > controls the air going to one of three sets of vents. Set each for as > > much or as little as you want. Two AC switches - one for on/off, one > > for recirc. One temp knob. One fan speed knob with four settings. > > That's it. No computer, none needed. I'm perfectly happy with it. > > Scott, > You are forgetting to point out that the recirculation flap is a). flaky > and electrically operated; b). never seals properly. > There are only 4 speed settings (not enough, little too much, way too > much, unbearably noisy). > In the summer the car is always either too hot or too warm requiring > constant air flow/temp dial/AC on/off adjustments. > Same in the winter. > > > What would a computer give me that I don't already have? > > Climate control. > > > Not happiness. > > Yeah baby, I'm all for typewriters as well! ;-) > > Seriously, I would agree that computers introduce complexity and reduce > reliability. > But they also make life so much more fun. > On my car they only thing I'm still futzing with is the air flow selector > to keep the cold air from my hands until the engine warms up. Almost > perfect. > I can't remember the last time I futzed with the HVAC settings on my > wife's car. It's always perfect. > > IMHO, > alex f > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:47:23 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Autocrossing Helmet Recommendations > If you are only going to use the helmet for autoXing, > > Then find out what the minium spec allowed is, then shop for the most > comfortable helmet that meets it. > > Not sure about Xing, if bike helmets are allowed or do you > need a SA helmet? Per SCCA rules, any M or SA 95 or up will do. I went with the SA rated helmet, i think it's like only $10 more or so, as I figured I would eventually do track schools. I went with a G-Force SA2000 open face helmet. It was inexpensive and of good quality. It's just me, I prefer an open face helmet for autocross as I think it provides better vision and is cooler to wear when staging on a 100+ degree day.... > Mike > Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:48:40 -0800 From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Autocrossing Helmet Recommendations At 12:39 PM 3/5/2003 -0800, Mark Dadgar wrote: >Gaudio, Stefano at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > for autoXing if you do not want to spend a lot of $$$ you can go for > > an M2000 snell certified helmet. > > I believe that the only difference between M2000 and SA2000 is the > > fire-retardant material that the SA helmets have. > >That's half the difference. The other half is that M helmets are rated for >one major impact (cycle rider's head hitting the ground) and SA helmets are >rated for multiple major impacts (head bouncing off roll cage bars and stuff >inside rolling car). Uh, actually, the two of you together have pointed out two thirds of the differences. From the FAQ on the Snell Memorial Foundation web site (www.smf.org): ================================ Q. What are the differences between the SA and M standards? A. SA Standard was designed for auto racing while M Standard was for motorcycling and other motorsports. There are three major differences between them: 1. SA standard requires flammability test while the M standard does not; 2. SA standard allows narrower visual field than M standard (Some SA helmets may not be street legal); 3. SA standard has rollbar impact test while M standard does not. ================================ Now, remember, these are the differences in the STANDARDS. It doesn't mean that there are any differences in the construction between an M- and a SA-rated helmet from a manufacturer, just that the helmet had to pass a different set of tests to be rated. Jim Ochi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:46:02 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] WA state to regulate racing schools I prefer fewer laws, but less laws are good also. Gary Derian > You're preaching to the choir. I'm a libertarian. The less laws the better > (up to a point). > > Marco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:48:55 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords So one can build a 6 liter V-12 from two 300+ hp 6s or two 220 hp 6s. Gary Derian > Gary Derian wrote: > > > That Aston Martin V-12 is 2 Taurus engines put together. > > yep. the initial development was done with mules built that > way, but the production engines are developed a bit more IIRC. > > the power numbers aren't much more than two of the current ST220 > Mondeo's 220hp put together tho, but I guess that's no different than > the V12 in the McLaren F1, which was basically twice the power of > the S50B30's on which it was based. > > > Ben > would take an Aston Martin "Taurus" anyday :-P > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6177 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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