[uucdigest] Friday, March 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6218
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] [e34] M5 pre-purchase phone interview/inspection Q's Re: [uuc] [e34] M5 pre-purchase phone interview/inspection Q's [uuc] Re: Retail Auto Parts WorldPac Research Project [uuc] Re: Radio question [uuc] Re: <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling Re: [uuc] Re: Radio question Re: [uuc] Re: <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling [uuc] Re: eurotrash wheels [uuc] <E28> Springs/Rubbing/Offset/Fender Rolling Re: [uuc] Re: <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling Re: [uuc] Turner Motorsport Team Takes Sebring Pole Position Re: [uuc] Re: eurotrash wheels Re: [uuc] Re: eurotrash wheels Re: [uuc] <E28> Springs/Rubbing/Offset/Fender Rolling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:58:00 -0600 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [e34] M5 pre-purchase phone interview/inspection Q's I'm considering a 91 M5 w/ 88kmiles. The car is 2000 miles away. Any suggestions for go/no go questions to ask before I decide to go out to evaluate it? And things to look for if it passes the first hurdle? I expect this is well traveled territory. Pointing me to a particularly good FAQ would work as well. Thanks, --SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:12:22 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [e34] M5 pre-purchase phone interview/inspection Q's M5 FAQs: http://bmwe34m5.com/faqs - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [e34] M5 pre-purchase phone interview/inspection Q's > I'm considering a 91 M5 w/ 88kmiles. The car is 2000 miles away. Any > suggestions for go/no go questions to ask before I decide to go out to > evaluate it? And things to look for if it passes the first hurdle? > > I expect this is well traveled territory. Pointing me to a particularly > good FAQ would work as well. Thanks, --SC > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:34:23 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Retail Auto Parts WorldPac Research Project Ed - You should add Pelican Parts to that list. Neil Simon Wash, DC 99 M Coupe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:42:13 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Radio question Piling up more inflated 02 cents worth, from my experience, replacing any component in your stereo system will quickly show you how good, or bad, the other components really are. Generally the car manufacturer will choose components that are of roughly equal quality. That is, the cheap speakers are a good match for the cheap amplifier and the cheap head unit. But sometimes it is hard to tell where to start. Other times the decision is easy. I felt that the "magic finger" head unit that came stock in my '90 E30 was an ergonomic nightmare and a distraction, so I replaced it first. (Display color was not that critical to me.) Speakers will be next, because I got a deal I couldn't refuse. The amp in my replacement head unit is good enough, so I won't add an amp. Not sure this will actually help anyone. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:40:43 -0500 >From: "Dean Boucouras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] Radio question > >I will throw my $.02 into the mix. > >Several years ago I swapped out the head unit in my wife's E32. Replaced it >with a Blaupunkt Toronto and a Blaupunkt CD Changer. Added a used a/d/s amp >to power the rear speakers. Left the original speakers in the car. > >The Blaupunkt fits in nicely with the dash, the color of the display matches >very well. The unit has not given us any problems. > >Results showed a huge improvement. The sound was much cleaner, better >dynamic range, more power etc. > >The system is not equivalent to the big buck systems that some of you may >have, but the improvement was significant. > >Dean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:47:36 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling Isn't the rear ride height adjustable on the E28 535i? Or is that just with Bilstein Sports. Sold my 535i in '92 and forgot a lot of stuff since then. Anyway, if you decide to upgrade, try to get a ride in other cars with different aftermarket setups to see which you like best before spending the money. Otherwise you can be mixing and matching for a while until you find the combination you like best. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:37:12 -0500 >From: "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling > >Hi All, > >Well , after I put the new wheels on, and realized that I have to roll the >fenders, I noticed that the car is sitting lower on the drivers side than >the passenger side, and in fact when I go over a dip, only the driver side >rear wheel rubs on the fender. This tells me that I need new springs.. The >one one the drivers side, seems to be a bit worn out, which makes sense >since that is the side of the car that always has weight on it when driving >thanks to the driver, with passengers less frequently weighing down the >right side. > >So now the question is, do I put factory springs in, or do I upgrade to some >Eibach springs, and roll the fenders anyway. I would like a tighter feel in >the suspension, so I am thinking going the performance spring route. > >Any suggestions? Any slightly used ones out there for an E28 535i? > >Cheers >Ron J >85 535i >73 911s 2.7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:00:29 -0500 From: "Auriflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Radio question Everything's been replaced in my e36, and I just added Sirius satellite radio to it as well. I couldn't be happier with the sound quality and performance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:06:34 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling It's with any Bilstein shock, be it HD or Sport. . . I'm actually not sure about Tourings, but I've had HDs and Sports on my car and both were/are adjustable. Brad "Shifty" Couvillon '87 528e - --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Isn't the rear ride height adjustable on the E28 > 535i? Or is that just > with Bilstein Sports. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:19:03 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: eurotrash wheels Rob, Really? I had no idea this was a European thing. I guess it was just the ugly American in me that assumed this style was borne of a local demographic. And by "too thin" do you mean tread width or aspect ratio? My guess is the latter, but if you'll allow the digression I'd be interested in hearing what anyone knows about teh *other* kind of "stylin'" -- I don't know what it's called, but the idea is to put very wide, small diameter wheel far lateral (beyond the fender) and fit with way too narrow tires. Teh wheels are generally chrome -- sometimes spokes -- and the tires are usually white walls. It's mostly a domestic car and japanese import thing, but I did see a 325i so equipped the other day and I dare say it looked very cool. Is this a euro thing? French perhaps? ;^) Scott Staewen As many are designed for the European market >where, as I like to call it, the "Euro trash" look of wheels as far out as >possible is popular (along with too-thin tires stretched onto these wheels _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:24:09 -0500 From: "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> Springs/Rubbing/Offset/Fender Rolling Hi All, I reviewed the answers people fired back at me regarding the rubbing fenders, and my assumption that I needed new springs. Thanks for the pointer on the drivers side being normal a few inches lower. Now I wont need springs and just need to roll the fenders. Rob Levinson thought I was using Mille Miglia wheels, and that I should only go as far as 225-45-17. I wanted to reply and say, that I am running TSW Blades (M parallel lookalike) 17x7.5 with a 225 45ZR 17 Dunlop SP SPORT 2000 E. The offset could be slightly off, however I am not considering returning them to the dealer, since I was aware that I was going to roll the fenders after I installed aftermarket springs anyway, and I advised the dealer of that. So based on all the information that I recieved, I dont need to change my springs yet, and I need to roll my fenders, or have the offset on the rear wheels changed at a machine shop to adjust them.. I am going to most likely choose to roll the fenders.. Cheers Ron J 85 535i 73 911s 2.7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:38:05 -0800 From: Tom Childers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <e28> Need rear springs..Was Fender Rolling My experience is a little different than Rob's. I have a 1983 E28 that had EVERYTHING from a 1988 M5 transplanted into it. The stock M5 16x8 wheels caused rubbing on the inside of the fender, on both sides. I had to roll the fenders AND put in new springs to resolve the problem. The M5 had slight fender flares to accommodate the bigger wheels. I installed Dinan springs, by the way, and they are excellent - very well matched to the E28 weight distribution, with a nice firm ride. - -tdc On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 07:56 AM, Rob Levinson wrote: > You should check the offset on the Mille Miglias - I suspect they are > et15 > or less (see "Euro trash" comments above). Your 225/45-17 tires > should not > be anywhere near rubbing if the offset was correct. Remember that > 225s were > standard on the E28 M5, and they do not rub. > > Frankly, I would return the wheels to the vendor as the fitment is not > appropriate for your car. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:40:12 -0500 From: "James Moran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Turner Motorsport Team Takes Sebring Pole Position Web sites report somewhere around 4050 lbs. Jim Moran '88 M6 From: "Mark Dadgar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Given that a bone-stock S4 is like 3600-3700 lbs, I can't imagine that the > stock RS6 is much under 4000. > > - Mark > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: eurotrash wheels This link should get you pointed in the right direction for offset Daytons (the wire spoke wheels to which you refer). Somewhat of a joke now (with all the kids putting offset Dayton look alikes on their phat rides), the hydraulic car competition is pretty serious business. Personally, I think they're awesome. When I get my pinto with a blower I intend to put hydraulics on it. Jason http://www.layitlow.com/tech.shtml Back to BMWS.... - --- Scott Staewen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob, > > Really? I had no idea this was a European thing. I > guess it was just the > ugly American in me that assumed this style was > borne of a local > demographic. > > And by "too thin" do you mean tread width or aspect > ratio? My guess is the > latter, but if you'll allow the digression I'd be > interested in hearing what > anyone knows about teh *other* kind of "stylin'" -- > I don't know what it's > called, but the idea is to put very wide, small > diameter wheel far lateral > (beyond the fender) and fit with way too narrow > tires. Teh wheels are > generally chrome -- sometimes spokes -- and the > tires are usually white > walls. It's mostly a domestic car and japanese > import thing, but I did see a > 325i so equipped the other day and I dare say it > looked very cool. Is this a > euro thing? French perhaps? ;^) > > > Scott Staewen > > > As many are designed for the European market > >where, as I like to call it, the "Euro trash" look > of wheels as far out as > >possible is popular (along with too-thin tires > stretched onto these wheels > > _________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:52:50 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: eurotrash wheels Whatever group A is doing, group B does the opposite. High drag look cars for group A, low riders for group B. Wide tires for A, narrow tires for B, etc. Gary Derian > Rob, > > Really? I had no idea this was a European thing. I guess it was just the > ugly American in me that assumed this style was borne of a local > demographic. > > And by "too thin" do you mean tread width or aspect ratio? My guess is the > latter, but if you'll allow the digression I'd be interested in hearing what > anyone knows about teh *other* kind of "stylin'" -- I don't know what it's > called, but the idea is to put very wide, small diameter wheel far lateral > (beyond the fender) and fit with way too narrow tires. Teh wheels are > generally chrome -- sometimes spokes -- and the tires are usually white > walls. It's mostly a domestic car and japanese import thing, but I did see a > 325i so equipped the other day and I dare say it looked very cool. Is this a > euro thing? French perhaps? ;^) > > > Scott Staewen > > > As many are designed for the European market > >where, as I like to call it, the "Euro trash" look of wheels as far out as > >possible is popular (along with too-thin tires stretched onto these wheels ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:56:00 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E28> Springs/Rubbing/Offset/Fender Rolling Few inches lower? That must be outside the norm. Closely measure the ride height on a level surface. Measure several ways, rocker to ground, wheel to fender, fender to ground, bumper to ground, length of springs, ground to control arms, etc. and see what you get. Gary Derian > Hi All, > > I reviewed the answers people fired back at me regarding the rubbing > fenders, and my assumption that I needed new springs. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6218 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
