[uucdigest] Tuesday, March 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6244
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[uuc] Re: <E36><Euro M3> Exhaust noise Re: [uuc] Testing and Cringing; Was Chip Comparisons Re: [uuc] Wheel size suggestions Re: [uuc] e36--- m3 tranny in 325 Re: [uuc] My comparison between Jim C, Mark D'Sylva, and Dinan chips Re: [uuc] Re: E30 M20 Engine Oil Temperature [uuc] E36 M3 Headlight Covers Re: [uuc] Testing and Cringing; Was Chip Comparisons Re: [uuc] Re: <E36><Euro M3> Exhaust noise [uuc] reqesting good info source for beemer for buddy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:03:36 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] rough road = big sway bar ? >From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I'd think the Saudi's would have tons of nice flat, smooth roads. they >don't have any weather to speak of, so the pavement should stay in good >shape... SMiller sez> > is probably correct for the paved roads, but they also probably have lots > of unpaved roads. Plus, after each windstorm blows sand all over the paved > roads, they start to be more like the unpaved ones. > Still, a bigger rear bar means more oversteer. I fail to see how increased > oversteer helps on rough roads. And as you said, this would result in the > suspension being less independent. Hard to figure. No, not at all. This is all about the poor German to English translation. The ETK is full of this stuff. :-) Later, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:21:35 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <E36><Euro M3> Exhaust noise Dave, just for kicks, check your upper rear shock mounts. They'll make a clunk when you go over bumps, and sound like it is coming from that part of the car. If that is actually the problem, buy a couple of E46 M3 mounts instead of the ones that would normally go on your car. They're beefier. And they're a lot less expensive than new cats. Get new paper gaskets and locking nuts too. Ha. When you said "exhaust noise" I thought you meant something else. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:54:26 -0800 (PST) >From: David Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] <E36><Euro M3> Exhaust noise > >All, > >Well, I'm stumped. I have a loud clunking in my exhaust every time I >hit a bump (which in between my house and work is about every 10 ft). >It sounds like it's coming from the middle of the car, i.e. the cats. >I've replaced all of the exhaust mounts and it's now extremely well >secured. There seems to be no way to reproduce the sound with the car >still. > >My first guess is broken catalysts. I plan to remove the cats from the >car this weekend. I really hope this isn't it...I priced cats on a 98 >M3 at a UK parts place...845 pounds (1240 euro)! > >What else might it be? It doesn't sound or feel like suspension, and >other than this noise the car is rock-solid. Any ideas are greatly >appreciated. > >Any one know of any used BMW parts places in central France? > >Thanks, > >Dave Hall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:29:03 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Testing and Cringing; Was Chip Comparisons - --- Rob Levinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >**** Proper Testing **** > > > >I went out and did some 5 - 60 MPH runs, as well as > >some 3rd gear 30 - 50 MPH runs (about 2,000 RPM - > >3500) with the Jim C chip. Tomorrow I'll put the > >Dinan ECU back in, and around Wednesday I'll do the > >same tests along the same road with the Dinan chip. > This part made me cringe slightly - you should have > done all the > tests at the same time (consecutively) to minimize > variations in > ambient temp, humidity, weight of fuel in tank, etc. I'm glad it only made you cringe slightly, because it's not a big deal at all! First, the temp and humidity stays about the same in Louisiana unless we get a cold front from Dallas. In that case, I'll just old off on the testing until the cold front passes (a couple of days) and the temp gets back up to normal. The same goes for the humidity. As for weight of the tank, I've decided that I'm going to fill up the tank when I swap the ECUs and spend half a tank driving, making sure the ECU is adapted, and only then will I begin testing on that particular ECU. I made sure I knew about how much gas was in the tank when I started testing of the first chip so that I would be sure to mimic that process when I do the next two. I've even made sure the tire pressures are the same. I have a slow leak in one of my tires, so I'm monitoring all four of the tires to make sure they're the same. As I see it, the differences in the variables will be negligible. I say that, if two particular chips are within about 5 - 10% of each other, we can call it a moot point in all real world circumstances. > >HOwever, I'm afraid the ECU won't have enough time > to > >adapt between runs... > > Unless you have a Motronic 1.1 (1988) car, the > adaptation that may > occur is almost insignificant. I wish there would be a consensus on this so that I could be completely sure. > > that name will > fade > >away once someone tops my auto-to-manual conversion > >time of ~1.5 - 2.5 months, depending on how you > look > >at it! > > <sigh> Brad, Brad, Brad. 14 months is the UUC > Digest record. Rob, we all know that the person that spent 14 months on the conversion was a "trained professional" and that trained professionals are NEVER on time! I mean, come on! It's only an e38. How much easier can it get? It's not like it was an e28 or anything!! ; -) Brad Couvillon '87 528e <-- Nearing I-Day www.fatdaddybmw.com <-- Should document everything __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:39:03 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Wheel size suggestions ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > > >"1) front 740i Sport swaybar, rear BMW OE Saudi-market super-huge bar > > >(misplaced size spec right now)" > > > > >Anyone know why the Saudis need such a big rear anti-roll bar? > > > > BMW lists it as a "rough road package". > > to me that doesn't make a lot of sense. wouldn't a rough road tend to > mean you'd want the sway bar to be _less_ stiff, allowing the suspention > to be more independent side-to-side to handle the bumps ? I also thought this. I can only imagine that the rough road package either comprises generally beefed-up components, where everything is sturdier, or features softer, long-travel springs and increased suspension travel, then using a thicker sway bar to maintain cornering dignity. Or maybe the mounting points are different...? Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:46:22 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] e36--- m3 tranny in 325 Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: "Guys n Gals, Can I put a M3 (auto) tranny into 325i (auto). The m3 tranny looks little smaller?" The autobox optionally fitted to the NA E36 M3 is, if memory serves, a ZF 5HP18 (or similar). I am not sure of the torque rating, or BMW's internal code for it. Anyway a variant of this gearbox was fitted to 325i automatics destined for other shores, so there is no reason why it wouldn't bolt up although you would probably need unfettered, heavily discounted access to your local dealer's parts store to make it work. I would also bet the gearset won't suit the 325i for use on North America's roads (too tall). Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:14:38 -0600 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] My comparison between Jim C, Mark D'Sylva, and Dinan chips Isn't getting out and running the easiest way to go faster if you've got an 'e'? --SC (sorry 'bout that, I had one too ;) Brad Couvillon wrote: >However, I did notice a slight difference below 3,000 >RPM. In addition, it was more difficult for me to >match revs. I at first thought this was because I >wasn't pressing the pedal as hard as before, but I >later realized I was incorrect. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:11:05 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: E30 M20 Engine Oil Temperature I went by the dealer to get a new bolt (I just like new parts from BMW) and it was over $40 my cost. I'll use the old one. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I had that done, and it has not leaked. Buy an extra hollow bolt, in case >you screw up the one you have. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:34:57 -0500 From: "Richard Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 M3 Headlight Covers Need to replace the driver's side headlight cover. Dealer says sold only as the whole assembly and offers two replacement options: 1) Assembly minus new bulbs and large bracket around back of entire unit - $91.00 2) Assembly with bulbs (don't need them) and large bracket - $165. Dealer says option 1) is a PITA to install, 2) is much easier. Any thoughts/suggestions from anyone who has done this before? Is now the time to upgrade to something better? Thanks! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:42:47 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Testing and Cringing; Was Chip Comparisons - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >As for weight of the tank, I've decided that I'm going >to fill up the tank when I swap the ECUs and spend >half a tank driving, making sure the ECU is adapted, >and only then will I begin testing on that particular >ECU. Burning through half a tank in a 528e is going to take you about 4 days! (Yes, yes, I know, you're very proud of how your 528 can suck gas just like any other BMW.) ;-) >I've even made sure the tire pressures are the same. >I have a slow leak in one of my tires, so I'm >monitoring all four of the tires to make sure they're >the same. Strong work, Brad, strong work. >As I see it, the differences in the variables will be >negligible. I say that, if two particular chips are >within about 5 - 10% of each other, we can call it a >moot point in all real world circumstances. Depends of what that 5%-10% is. (Dangle participles like Yoda I will, hmmmm?) >> Unless you have a Motronic 1.1 (1988) car, the >> adaptation that may >> occur is almost insignificant. > > >I wish there would be a consensus on this so that I >could be completely sure. I can tell you for a fact that '88-only Motronic 1.1 is the first (and only E28) that has learning/adaptation built in... except I will also tell you it seems that 1.0 cars also need a little running to settle themselves in when unplugged or having had major changes made. >Rob, we all know that the person that spent 14 months >on the conversion was a "trained professional" and >that trained professionals are NEVER on time! I mean, >come on! It's only an e38. How much easier can it >get? It's not like it was an e28 or anything!! ; -) Heh. For my next trick, the left-over 5-speed auto is going into the 528e with Girltronic steering wheel paddles for shifting. Top that! - - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <E36><Euro M3> Exhaust noise Besides possible rear shock mount. My guess is the catalytic converter. A friend of mine just had to replace his cats on his pontiac. We figured it was a bad cat by reaching a foot under there and give it a light kick. We could actually feel the insides of it bouncing around. I kinda think it's unlikely you have this problem because your car seems too "young" ('98)for that. mike > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:54:26 -0800 (PST) > >From: David Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [uuc] <E36><Euro M3> Exhaust noise > > > >All, > > > >Well, I'm stumped. I have a loud clunking in my > exhaust every time I > >hit a bump (which in between my house and work is > about every 10 ft). > >It sounds like it's coming from the middle of the > car, i.e. the cats. > >I've replaced all of the exhaust mounts and it's > now extremely well > >secured. There seems to be no way to reproduce the > sound with the car > >still. > > > >My first guess is broken catalysts. I plan to > remove the cats from the > >car this weekend. I really hope this isn't it...I > priced cats on a 98 > >M3 at a UK parts place...845 pounds (1240 euro)! > > > >What else might it be? It doesn't sound or feel > like suspension, and > >other than this noise the car is rock-solid. Any > ideas are greatly > >appreciated. > > > >Any one know of any used BMW parts places in > central France? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Dave Hall > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:44:04 -0600 From: "phil irby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] reqesting good info source for beemer for buddy A friend of mine who is also a bimmer owner (OBMWC) is thinking about getting a Beemer R1200C. He's been riding Harleys for most of his riding experience but is bikeless right now. Has looked on E-Bay and found the Beemers to be a lot less money for more bike than the Harleys he's been looking at. I remember seeing someone posting some bikes for sale here within the last month but couldn't remember who. Anyone know who that was or which model(s)? Still for sale? Also would appreciate if anyone knows if there is a digest similar to this for BMW bikes. TIA Phil 92 E36/M50 ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6244 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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