[uucdigest] Friday, March 28 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6257
_________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.bmwdatabase.com | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Re: e-30 shock installation Re: [uuc] RE: Motorcycle Question RE: [uuc] Dennis Miller on Current Events RE: [uuc] Dennis Miller on Current Events Re: [uuc] Re: [E36] street/track pads ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:48:31 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: e-30 shock installation Air tools? I've done this many times with no air tools. Gary Derian > Michael, a good tech can easily do the job in 4 hours, so figure 4x > whatever your local hourly labor rate is, plus parts. But I bet the flat > rate manuals specify more time. Or, for an afternoon of fun, you can do it > yourself with a floor jack and jack stands, a modest collection of air > tools, some good spring compressors and an assortment of wrenches and > hammers. Or to save a little money, do the rears yourself (easy job, also > replace the upper mounts with E46 convertible mounts). The air tools and > spring compressors are only needed on the front. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:01:08 EST > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [uuc] e-30 shock installation > > > >Dear Group, > > > >What is a fair price to pay for installing 4 new shocks on an e-30? I've > been > >quoted anywhere between $300 (4 hours) and $750 (no time mentioned). Your > > >input is greatly appreciated. > > > >- -Michael > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:05:43 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Motorcycle Question At 02:22 AM 03/28/2003 -0500, Don Eilenberger wrote: >I found just the opposite. I rode upright style (BMW-RT bikes) >for about 7 years.. and find I'm more comfortable on a BMW-S >bike (K75S) - because my weight IS distributed between my >butt and my arms/hands. To each his or her own, I guess. The cruiser style fits me just fine. When I get on the touring bike I don't like having my feet tucked under. I am too old to go back to doing push-ups on the bars :-) Most older folks I talk to that get even sport-tourers end up with risers to get the weight off the hands and wrists. >I've never found cruisers much fun to ride. Sorta like >driving a Buick.. slow and vague. I will let you take a spin on my VTX1800c - that should blow ALL the "slow and vague" cobwebs out for you :-) Better still, Honda is doing a huge 1800cc test ride - you can use their dealer locator to see who in your area is participating. They are doing the GL1800's and the VTX 1800's. Hoo-Hoo - free ride! >Depends on what you're buying. The days of the bargain Japanese >bikes is gone, and certainly a HD is gonna cost more. Ownership >cost is likely to be a wash since most insurance companies charge >WAY more for sport bikes - and BMW's are usually considered >'touring' bikes - the cheapest category. Dunno where the cruiser >falls in the insurance rates. With my insurance, sports bikes are WAY up there (all those crashes and expensive tupperware and mirror claims), then usually touring type bikes (again, expensive claims on fairings, hard bags, etc), then cruisers. I guess they now if you just drop a bike with plastic or bags there is going to be an expensive claim. The prices for the LT an GL were close to the same, I THINK the BMW may have been a little cheaper. >And the resale value of a BMW is usually good if you take care >of it. They aren't disposable bikes. Cruisers can be had cheaply >used - and might be a good buy if it's the bike for you, but >resale on them (why they go cheaply) is low 'cause lots of >people who have owned cruisers seem to either quit riding, or >find a different ride - making the used market soft. When I was looking at LTs vs GL1800s I found lots of used LT for cheap (relatively) at Cycletrader. I just looked, and the LTs are going for the same or less then comparable GL1800s - $10-13k for 01 and 02 bikes with low miles. Since the GL cost less originally, then it would appear that they are not holding value as well. You could be right on the other BMWs, I just don't have any interest in another boxer twin. The new R1200CL looks interesting, but they should have put the K bike motor in it. Ride reports say lack of power is the biggest problem. I have some friends that got GS and GS Adventures and they love them - but I like to stick to the pavement. My biggest (actually shortest) problem with most BMW motorcycles is the tall seat height. I am just too short to be comfy on most of what they make. >Plus - it's not all about cost - riding is a passion. Cars are >about cost - they're just transportation. That is sure not true for me - if I just wanted basic transport I would not have spent the extra on the 330i :-) I also pay to have a convertible available any time I want it. I had a C5 'vette, but it was in the shop a lot and was very expensive to own and insure. I sold it last year and have an S2000 now. It is SO MUCH more fun to drive - not nearly as much torque but still a blast to drive. Driving one with the razor sharp handling and the perfect gearbox should put a smile an any enthusiast's face. >And the GL1800 is prolly a fine bike (once they get the overheating >problem fixed - and the usual goldie alternator problem..) with >lots of dealers. But it might not be the bike for everyone. And >it isn't really cheaper than the K1200LT is it? Honda has a new ECU out to "fix" the "problem". I know a lot of GL1800 riders and very few have had a problem with this, and none had and damage to the bike because of it. I don't think any GL1800 riders have had the problems with the stators like the 1500cc bike owners had - but it may be too soon to tell. The GL1800 has a 4 year unlimited mile warranty and a 3 year extension ($0 deductible) can be had for $350-400. 7 years with unlimited miles is a lot of riding. Some folks I know have 30-50k on theirs already with YEARS to go. I did a cost comparison, and if you got the LT-E and a GL1800 and got all the same stuff (including the GPS) the cost came out close to the same at MSRP. It you don't want or need all the stuff, you end up cheaper with the 'wing. GL1800s with ABS can be had lots of places for a discount ($16k or so) the basic LT is $18k and I had lots of problems finding a much of a discount (too few dealers = little competition). I think the BMW is 3yr, unlimited miles and they don't have an inexpensive way to extended. I think the LT is drop-dead gorgeous! They have the anti-dive suspension and all come with ABS (it can be a problem to find an ABS 'wing), lots of other things as well. I just like the 'wing better - more power, larger dealer network, better warranty, lower seat, etc. I never thought I would ever get old enough to get a 'wing, but the GL1800 is a different animal. Honda has a 6.9% / 60 month deal going now, but BMW almost always has MUCH better financing options - even leases - a big plus is not paying cash. >I've been the bigger bike route - now I'm quite happy with >my K75S which is perfect for my favorite type of riding, which >is backroad carving. If I wanted to do freeways - I own a >better BMW for that - it just has 4 wheels. That is my type of riding too - avoid the interstate at all costs :-) I can ride for hours and get home with just 200-300 miles on the bike. An TN has some of the best riding roads around - the folks that laid out most of the roads appear to have lost their straight-edges :-) I need a bike for longer trips and two ride 2-up with my wife. We can ride OK on the Valk I/S but I think we would be better off on a GL1800 :-) Our discussion is a moot point anyway, I see Mr.Fox has struck a deal and is now the proud owner of a 750 Katana :-) >Best and see'ya on the road, Same to you, Don! Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:37:02 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Dennis Miller on Current Events it wasn't dennis miller http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/miller.php Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Eilenberger Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Dennis Miller on Current Events Sorry for the all caps - I didn't transcribe it.. "ALL THE RHETORIC ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD GO TO WAR AGAINST IRAQ HAS GOT MY INSANE LITTLE BRAIN SPINNING LIKE A ROULETTE WHEEL. I ENJOY READING OPINIONS FROM BOTH SIDES, BUT I HAVE DETECTED A HINT OF CONFUSION FROM SOME OF YOU. AS I WAS READING THE PAPER RECENTLY, I WAS REMINDED OF THE BEST ADVICE SOMEONE EVER GAVE ME. HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE KISS METHOD (KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!). SO, WITH THIS AS A THEME, I'D LIKE TO APPLY THIS THEORY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T QUITE GET IT. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN SIMPLIFY THINGS A BIT AND RECOGNIZE A FEW IMPORTANT FACTS. HERE ARE 10 THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN VOICING AN OPINION ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE: 1) BETWEEN PRESIDENT BUSH AND SADDAM HUSSEIN...HUSSEIN IS THE BAD GUY. 2) IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE UNITED NATIONS TO DO THE RIGHT THING, KEEP THIS IN MIND: THEY HAVE LIBYA HEADING THE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND IRAQ HEADING THE GLOBAL DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE. DO YOUR OWN MATH HERE. 3) IF YOU USE GOOGLE SEARCH AND TYPE IN "FRENCH MILITARY VICTORIES," YOUR REPLY WILL BE: "DID YOU MEAN FRENCH MILITARY DEFEATS?" 4) IF YOUR ONLY ANTI-WAR SLOGAN IS "NO WAR FOR OIL," SUE YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS AND ROBBING YOU OF THE EDUCATION YOU DESERVE. 5) SADDAM AND BIN LADEN WILL NOT SEEK UNITED NATIONS APPROVAL BEFORE THEY TRY TO KILL US. 6) DESPITE COMMON BELIEF, MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE ONLY PLAYS ONE ON TV. 7) EVEN IF YOU ARE ANTI-WAR, YOU ARE STILL AN "INFIDEL" AND BIN LADEN WANTS YOU DEAD, TOO. 8) IF YOU BELIEVE IN A "VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY," BUT NOT IN THE DANGER THAT HUSSEIN POSES, QUIT HANGING OUT WITH THE DELL COMPUTER DUDE. 9) WE ARE TRYING TO LIBERATE THEM. HE IS TRYING TO KILL US. 10) WHETHER YOU ARE FOR MILITARY ACTION OR AGAINST IT, OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OVERSEAS ARE FIGHTING FOR US TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT. WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT THEM WITHOUT RESERVATION. No comment on my part, except I really like #6.. :-) And #3 doesn't work.. I tried it (one would assume comedic license was used..) Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:46:05 -0500 From: Bill Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Dennis Miller on Current Events Not Dennis Miller but still funny This particular offering did run in the Times Record News, the only newspaper in Wichita Falls, Texas. It appeared as a Letter to the Editor on 26 February 2003, with its author identified as W. Wayne Schields of Wichita Falls. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/miller.php Bill Matthews 00 M Geeze PS I tried #3 and it did bring that back about third on the Google list......... > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Eilenberger > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:55 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Dennis Miller on Current Events > > > Sorry for the all caps - I didn't transcribe it.. > <snip> > > No comment on my part, except I really like #6.. :-) And #3 > doesn't work.. I tried it (one would assume comedic license > was used..) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:52:30 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [E36] street/track pads To Whomever May Give A Darn, Jack (Elephant Motorsports) sold me R4S ("S" as in "street", not plural) pads for all four corners of my '95 VW GTi. Great stopping power for the street. No squeal in the first month or so of use. I liked the Porterfield R4 pads for track use on my '93 325is. They squealed like a dump truck when cold. I've since moved to Hawk Blues for the front. I was underwhelmed and overcharged for Pagid Blues I tried on the track. I guess they're supposed to be a high end street pad, so it's not a huge surprise that they didn't perform for me on the track. YMMV, yada-yada-yada... - -N. Jay ************* > Lars, I've use the Porterfield R4 pads for 2 driving schools, and I love > them! I've only had the fronts for 2 schools, and they show no signs of > wearing out yet, but I haven't measured them. At the second school I used > their R4S pads on the rear instead of the R4 pads from the first school > (those are gone). They held up fine too. I was thinking of putting the > R4S's on the car for street driving, but I've been waiting for someone else > to report how long they last and whether they squeal much on the front. > Someone was going to give a report, but I can't remember who (Rich D?). I > have no reason to believe that the resutls would be any different on an E36 > (ignorance is bliss). > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > 1990 325i > > >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:37:44 -0600 > >From: "lars" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [E36] street/track pads > > > >I have used only one set of race pads--R4E ($169, endurance race pads) on > >the front while retaining stock Pagids on the rear (someone else > recommeded > >this). The R4Es lasted two and one-half driver's eds. The rear pads are > >not doing much better. My car is a 2000 323Ci and I don't want to spend > >$2,000 on a big brake kit. I will be doing a few more driver's eds on > this > >daily driver before getting a dedicated track/race car. > > So, what R4s do you recommend? Is there something else that is cheaper > >or would last longer? Having not run any other track pads, I have no > point > >of reference for basing a conclusion about the R4Es. > >Lars > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6257 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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