[uucdigest] Tuesday, April 1 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6266
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Re: [uuc] <E36> Draining coolant [uuc] Garage lighting RE: [uuc] FS: //M3 factory Exhaust (E36) was re: //M3 exhaust on other E36 RE: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:19:06 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <E36> Draining coolant Are there any tricks to getting coolant drained from an E36 without making a mess below? My current understanding is that it tracks along the engine block and really can't be controlled, so you should plan on mopping up a fairly significant mess after you're done. I figured I'd check to see if anyone has come up with any alternatives. @ 212k, I figure my car could use new hoses, waterpump, etc. Marc Plante E36 325i, 212k Vienna, VA Marc Plante [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:35:09 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . This may be a dumb question, however regarding all this theorizing that's going on regarding Brad's speed prior to locking up the brakes and producing 100 foot skid marks followed by a 20mph impact; aren't there so many variables involved here that calculating his exact original speed is all but impossible? For instance, what's the exact mass of the car with Brad and all of his stuff in it? Did the car have S03's or American General brand tires? How much moisture/loose gravel was on the road (what's the average coeficient of friction within the 100 feet that he was skidding)? What was the exact impact speed? Without knowledge of all of these variables (and probably more) the entire exercise is pure conjecture. That is of course unless there's something that I am missing, or as I started with, maybe this is a dumb question? BTW Brad, sorry to hear about your loss, I wrecked my 87 Porsche 928 last year, this is what spinning and hitting a guard rail at 65mph looks like: http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/001.jpg http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/002.jpg http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/003.jpg http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/004.jpg http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/005.jpg http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/006.jpg http://www.howton.net/928Wreck/007.jpg If you need any help with the insurance company, contact me directly. I did OK on my P-car. Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 5 Spd Steel Blue Metallic SP 1995 M3 5 Spd Arctic Silver 1979 Porsche 928 5 Speed Opalmetallic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:47:49 -0700 From: "Tim Pfister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: highline wheels I recently bought a set. Good service. Not light, not heavy. Nice looking Italian castings.Wheels arrived in 6 days, Miami to Montana.They forgot hub centric rings, and then sent them for free. Tim Pfister ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:47:45 -0500 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E36> Draining coolant My only advice is to keep your mouth closed (maybe eyes, too) when you get the block drain plug out. Chris B. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] <E36> Draining coolant > > > Are there any tricks to getting coolant drained from an E36 > without making a mess below? My current > understanding is that it tracks along the engine block and > really can't be controlled, so you should > plan on mopping up a fairly significant mess after you're > done. I figured I'd check to see if > anyone has come up with any alternatives. @ 212k, I figure > my car could use new hoses, waterpump, > etc. > > Marc Plante > E36 325i, 212k > Vienna, VA > > > > Marc Plante > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:52:26 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] FS: //M3 factory Exhaust (E36) was re: //M3 exhaust on other E36 I'd pay that, but you are a nation away from me. Ed jkerouac wrote: > FS: //M3 Exhaust re: //M3 exhaust on other E36: > > Btw, since this thread has come up again, what is a fair price for a > good nearly new //M3 takeoff exhaust system? (~15k miles)? > > For Sale: E36 //M3 factory exhaust, ~15 k miles, nice upgrade for > smaller E36 6 cyl engines. Factory fit and quality. > Does $225. sound reasonable? For pickup or delivery in SF Bay area. > Installation or workspace available. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:01:46 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . Jamie, This is a very valid question and one that jurors grapple with all the time in my experience. You'll have an expert on the stand who'll say essentially what Gary Derian and I said, and the jury will be thinking all your thoughts. Then I get the expert to go into all the details of the analysis and work to convince them that it is not as inexact as you might think. Anyone who has ever done club racing knows that tires are dramatically different at 10/10ths on a race course. Rubber compounds vary a great deal and suspension loading enters into it. Street radials, going in a straight line on a flat asphalt surface are very predictable. An actual analysis by an expert will take into account everything you suggest. The simple calculator on the website just spreads the numbers out more to account for those variables. Ed Jamie Howton wrote: >This may be a dumb question, however regarding all this theorizing >that's going on regarding Brad's speed prior to locking up the brakes >and producing 100 foot skid marks followed by a 20mph impact; aren't >there so many variables involved here that calculating his exact >original speed is all but impossible? For instance, what's the exact >mass of the car with Brad and all of his stuff in it? Did the car have >S03's or American General brand tires? How much moisture/loose gravel >was on the road (what's the average coeficient of friction within the >100 feet that he was skidding)? What was the exact impact speed? >Without knowledge of all of these variables (and probably more) the >entire exercise is pure conjecture. That is of course unless there's >something that I am missing, or as I started with, maybe this is a dumb >question? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:59:53 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . Most of those variables would have nearly no affect on a speed calculaton. Gary Derian > This may be a dumb question, however regarding all this theorizing > that's going on regarding Brad's speed prior to locking up the brakes > and producing 100 foot skid marks followed by a 20mph impact; aren't > there so many variables involved here that calculating his exact > original speed is all but impossible? For instance, what's the exact > mass of the car with Brad and all of his stuff in it? Did the car have > S03's or American General brand tires? How much moisture/loose gravel > was on the road (what's the average coeficient of friction within the > 100 feet that he was skidding)? What was the exact impact speed? > Without knowledge of all of these variables (and probably more) the > entire exercise is pure conjecture. That is of course unless there's > something that I am missing, or as I started with, maybe this is a dumb > question? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:06:00 -0500 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . You're definitely correct that we don't have the data, but there was a fascinating article in Car & Driver a while back about how crash reconstructionists do there thing. I'm sure I'll butcher it going from memory (and Gary can correct me), but there are mathematical tools that can use the radius of swerve marks, etc., and determine vehicle speeds quite accurately. There are also several different types of skid marks that reveal a lot of information. I wouldn't think that level of analysis would apply to an accident like this without serious injury or death involved. My only real point is that it was a fascinating article and there are a lot more analytical tools available for this than I thought. Chris B. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jamie Howton > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . > > > This may be a dumb question, however regarding all this theorizing > that's going on regarding Brad's speed prior to locking up the brakes > and producing 100 foot skid marks followed by a 20mph impact; aren't > there so many variables involved here that calculating his exact > original speed is all but impossible? <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:07:51 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> Draining coolant On my car, the oxygen sensor precludes using anything but an open end wrench on that plug. As a result, you are right under the plug (no access from above) and I filled my mustache with sapphire blue and it runs down your arm into your clothing. A truly surprising amount of coolant coves out of what I thought was a virtually drained cooling system. Ed Chris Baker wrote: >My only advice is to keep your mouth closed (maybe eyes, too) when you >get the block drain plug out. > >Chris B. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:20:53 -0500 From: "BMWBITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Garage lighting Don�t tell that to the 15 yr old fixtures and tubes that still light up quietly everytime I flip the switch ..day or night , temps been down to - -5F . Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder ....or in their wallet ?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:05:24 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Neil's garage lighting Except the 4 ft. shop lights are junk. They buzz and burn up in a few months. Plus they don't work in the cold. Gary Derian > Neil et al . > Just did my 35x24 garage last month . Most (Lowes , Home Demon etc ) > overhead fluorescents come with a pig-tail enabling them to plug-in to > outlet .so ...have LOTS of outlets put in the ceiling then you can put > light wherever you want it . You will find that you can buy several > new 4' fluorescents for the cost of ONE 8 footer ..and replacement > tubes are MUCH cheaper too ...so if u need 8' of light in some odd > corner ..hang TWO 4'ers and plug em both into the above mentioned > overhead outlet .When one bulb goes gaga the other fixture will > continue to light your way to install a new tube . Bill & Shirley Proud, Tennessee..winters, Seattle..summers Long commute in between . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:11:29 -0500 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] FS: //M3 factory Exhaust (E36) was re: //M3 exhaust on other E36 I believe they are readily available from sources such as Eurosport for around $250, so $225 is a good start, especially with your low miles. However, there are lots of them around from upgrades to aftermarket, so I think it's not too tough to find one cheaper yet from someone just looking to get rid of one quick (probably with higher miles). At least it was easy for me. Then again, things are cheaper in Michigan than California. Then again again, my experience is a couple years old, and may no longer apply. Chris B. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed MacVaugh > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] FS: //M3 factory Exhaust (E36) was re: //M3 exhaust > on other E36 > > > I'd pay that, but you are a nation away from me. > > Ed > > jkerouac wrote: > > > FS: //M3 Exhaust re: //M3 exhaust on other E36: > > > > Btw, since this thread has come up again, what is a fair > price for a > > good nearly new //M3 takeoff exhaust system? (~15k miles)? > > > > For Sale: E36 //M3 factory exhaust, ~15 k miles, nice upgrade for > > smaller E36 6 cyl engines. Factory fit and quality. > > Does $225. sound reasonable? For pickup or delivery in SF > Bay area. > > Installation or workspace available. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:25:29 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . My questions would be: 1) Why no ABS? Not equipped on this car or not working? 2) If no ABS, why not some threshold braking? 100ft of skidding would SEEM there would be enough time to modulate, control the car, and maybe even swerve. Of course, I HAVE ABS because in a panic I can't trust myself to be sure I do item #2 correctly myself :-) If the old man told witnesses and the cops "I didn't see him" then maybe no one else will worry about the length of the skid marks - of course his insurance company may speak up when they get involved. Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd At 10:06 AM 04/01/2003 -0500, you wrote: >You're definitely correct that we don't have the data, but there was a >fascinating article in Car & Driver a while back about how crash >reconstructionists do there thing. I'm sure I'll butcher it going from >memory (and Gary can correct me), but there are mathematical tools that >can use the radius of swerve marks, etc., and determine vehicle speeds >quite accurately. There are also several different types of skid marks >that reveal a lot of information. > >I wouldn't think that level of analysis would apply to an accident like >this without serious injury or death involved. My only real point is >that it was a fascinating article and there are a lot more analytical >tools available for this than I thought. > >Chris B. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jamie Howton > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:35 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Totalled my 528e Saturday. . . > > > > > > This may be a dumb question, however regarding all this theorizing > > that's going on regarding Brad's speed prior to locking up the brakes > > and producing 100 foot skid marks followed by a 20mph impact; aren't > > there so many variables involved here that calculating his exact > > original speed is all but impossible? > ><snip> ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6266 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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