[uucdigest] Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6446
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[uuc] Re: [E34] M5 won't start ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: paul t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: has your V1 ever.... that is true.. he might not have been shooting/pulled the trigger at me, so that might not have set my V1 off... i'm not doubting the capabilities of my V1, i LOVE IT actually.. it's saved me a couple of time from Ka and K radars... i've just never picked up an actual lidar/laser detection from a cop, and the 2 (possible) oppurtunies, the V1 never went off... paul - --- "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > has your V1 ever missed a laser radar? this > happened > > to me twice, on the same road, first time i > thought it > > might be a fluke, but it happened again just the > other > > day. > > I agree with Rob's comments and will add a few. > > I have been warned of laser even before I was the > one being shot at so while the beam is tight, it can > bounce off or reflect off stuff or pass through the > car windshield in front of you enough to give a > warning, just not nearly as much as radar. > > Also, how do you know he pulled the trigger? Most > policemen have enough visual acuity and perception > of speed (tongue slightly in cheek here...) to > identify those intended speeders they plan to shoot > with their laser. You mention that the cop was on a > bike right? He was stopped correct? Otherwise, laser > doesn't work properly unless the person is > motionless. That is why you will often see the cop > resting the laser gun on something when aiming. > > I joke about the visual acuity of cops as I fought a > speeding ticket once (where I was nailed amongst a > crowd of people doing various speeds...me about > middle of the pack) and the cop blundered on the > stand about setting up the radar so he and the > prosecuting attorney choose to play the card that > the cop was trained to judge speed in the academy > within 1-2 mph. I rolled my eyes after this > "testimony", asked how recently he had his "visual > acuity and speed perception" tested by a third party > and what were the results to which he responded "12 > years ago at the academy" and the judge ended up > letting me off. I was lucky this one time. > > Regards, > > Rich - wouldn't do without my V1 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:28:22 -0400 From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] question re: Driving School Alex, I did the Bondurant 4 day Road Racing Course a few years ago and that's the only professional school I've done. It was absoultely awesome! There was a decent mix of people who had done some stuff before and those who had done none. And you could tell by the second day! The things I liked about the Bondurant course: 1. Your limit is how hard you want to push it. And since you're paying for any incidents (even the insurance only covers so much) you are responsible for your actions. But you are not limited to levels that may or may not be beneath your abilities. And the instructors were very good at assessing abilities and limits. 2. The instructors were all great and had a variety of experience. One of my instructors was Charles Espenlaub whom some of you may recognize as a current Mazda Protoge driver in Speed World Challenge Touring. Mike Fitzgerald was also an instructor at the time but he was off racing when I attended. A coworker had Mike as an instructor, great guy. I worked with another guy, whose name I forget at this time, who was running in Toyota Atlantic. 3. The 4 day course offered 2.5 days in sedans (Mudstains at the time, I think they run Caterras or CTS' or whatever the ugly POS Cadillac sedan du jour is) and then 1.5 days in the Formula Fords. An excllent mix of vehicles, skills, etc. 4. Because it was the 4 day course, on the morning of the 4th day we had a 10 lap mock SCCA race. It was absoulutely awesome!! We did practice starts and all. I finished 2nd, got beat by some guy who was getting into PCA club racing. ; ( 5. Instruction included lots of on track driving, car control skills on a vehicle dynamics skid pad, skid pad car (that car with the hydraulics to raise/lower it...cool), instructor rides (you with them and them with you), follow the leader, braking exercises, accident avoidance exercises....tons of stuff. Oh, and naturally, class room instruction as well. 6. Laid back but safe (sorta like an SCCA school). 7. Very friendly instructors, we had lunch with them everyday (lunch was a do-as-you-wish type thing). I am thoroughly pleased that I did this course. The only other course I would have any real interest in attending now would be the Derek Daley course....mostly because I would like to get that mix of sedan/road car and formula car mix. I'm sure which ever one is chosen, it will be tons of fun and the education will be excellent! Jack Money....I earned the Bondurant patch '89 325iX '88 M3 #86 JP Elephant Motorsports - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:53 AM To: BMW List Subject: [uuc] question re: Driving School My friend is turning 30 next month. His gal wants to set up a group gift from all his friends/relatives. She wants to send him to a driving school. She was asking about Skip Barber and others. Does anyone have any recommendations regarding this? He does not have a track car, so the event would have to offer this as well. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... Bingo - that's why laser has been so popular and successful with law enforcement over radar. Valentine is sensitive enough to pickup laser being shot at other vehicles but even then it's a crap shoot (so to speak). - --- paul t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if thats the case, then wouldn't that defeat the > purpose of the radar detector? if you've been tagged > with the laser the same time the V1 goes off, game is over... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:30:05 -0400 From: Michael Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... I don't know, The drinks I could have bought Ms Lee to help her figure out how to get out of her string top last Friday night would have been the better deal IMO. Laser doesn't bother me as I tend to pay enough attention to the roads here and easily see the cops using them. Here it is not hard to see them due to our road shoulders etc and dense traffic most of the time. Now, I do have a Bel sun detector that I should dump on Ebay. It was the best at detecting the sun with its laser warning. Anytime the vehicle was pointed towards the sun, instant laser warning. Misses the old days of using a old style square cobra that had a high pitched, high volume buzzer that could break a piece of glass and cops that only had full time radar, no instant on. I think the average pick up distance was bout 3/4 to 1 mile. Those were the days. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would take a laser-detecting V1 over an > identical V1 without the feature (hypothetically speaking as the V1 > had other enhancements when the lidar feature was installed) just for > the one time it might help. > > - Rob > two V1s, thinking about a third. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:30:30 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car I prefer this method. Also check out the house, garage and other cars of the PO while you are checking out the car you are looking to buy. Meet the wife and kids if you can. Gary Derian > I agree that a good pre-purchase inspection is almost mandatory on a > lease-return or rental-return but still bear in mind - caveat emptor. > If I buy a used car, I want to know a bit of history about the > vehicle and TEPO (the evil previous owner). Often times, just > meeting TEPO will tell volumes about the vehicle in question. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:38:55 -0400 From: Michael Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... That's pretty much the case. There might be a few isolated times it does save you, but to be honest, I have had more false alarms with laser than real threats, that I ignore it too much so it is completely useless to me for laser. Here in Atlanta, it is easy enough to see the cops using the laser gun that sight works better than the detector. Where the V1 shines IMO is the open highway and small towns. Always use a rabbit runner to follow, then stay far enough back that you don't do a nose dive too when he clocks the front car. Local cops now also use the very low power radar that the V1 will only pick up about 300 yards away, those are the ones I worry about when I don't have a rabbit to follow. Also, the big difference, they get readings instantly vs. a true instant on radar still has a sec lag or so. for example, if you are driving, get hit with an instant on radar, if you slam on brakes the instant you get the warning, you can lose 5-10mph before they have a reading. I have been pulled over many times for being clocked at 72-75 when I was really traveling at 85 or above. They let me go with a warning when I said that I just didn't realize my speed until I looked up and saw them. I did expect to get a ticket as I assumed they knew I had a detector for the sudden brake slamming. I only do that in the case of 80+, where I think they would be pulling me over anyway. Several areas in local communities, cops will use a existing false alarm to set up a radar trap, so the V1 with bogey counter always lets me know something else is going on. Also, I get nailed far more often for doing 50-60 in a 45 on a 4 lane road than I do doing 80-85 in a 70 zone. Local roads that should be 50-60mph zones are always 40-45 for the local money situation, not traffic, safety etc. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul t" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:08:01 -0400 > >From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... > > > >By its very nature, the lidar is a focused beam. > >Unless your V1 is > >within the narrow "spray pattern" of the laser beam, > >it will not pick > >it up. Additionally, laser does not "bounce around" > >in the same way > >as radar. > > > >Compare this to radar which has a much broader > >pattern, so you can > >pick it up from oblique angles. Radar bounces all > >over the place > >(relatively speaking) which is why you can get a good > >reading even > >after passing the radar source. > > > >cropped... > > so in other words, my V1 won't pick up the lidar/laser > unless it's shot directly at my car? > > if thats the case, then wouldn't that defeat the > purpose of the radar detector? if you've been tagged > with the laser the same time the V1 goes off, game is over... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:44:21 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: [E34] M5 won't start Mike, it sounds like a bad starter motor solenoid. The starter motor spins (whirrrr), but does not engage the flywheel. Starter motor failure would not set a check engine fault. Tell your wife to push-start it. How many/how big are the kids? :^) (Disclaimer: I have no idea if push-starting an M5 is a good idea.) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:08:11 -0500 (EST) >From: "Mike McLeish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] [E34] M5 won't start > >Argh - ny wife called me at work to let me know the M5 won't start. What a >great start to the day. I would have rather heard that she backed over the >dog, or one of the kids was puking, or that ALL of the kids were puking. > >When she turns the key she hears a whiring sound, but (from what I could >hear over the phone) it doesn't sound like it's cranking over. Could it be >the timing chain? I had her read me the Engine Codes, and we got a 1444 >(no failure). > >Mike > >'87 535is >'91 M5 ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6446 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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