[uucdigest] Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6448
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[uuc] Ault Park Concours D' Elegance [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:02:20 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used Funny correlary to that story... There is a used-car dealer on ebay whose auctions look just like personal car auctions; phrases like "must sell our baby" and "we will miss this gem" are accompanied by pictures of the car in the driveway of a beautiful McMansion in a Virginia suburb. The ruse is revealed when you click "view sellers other auctions" and see several cars... all of which will be missied greatly, all photographed in the same driveway. Brilliant and slimy at the same time. I don't think Gary bought his M5 from this particular dealer. - - Rob - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:44:00 -0400 >When I bought my M5, I knew very little about it and was clueless >where to >go for an inspection. The seller had a nice house, cases of Mobil 1 >in the >garage, a Porsche 911, BMW Z-3, Lexus RX-300 and a few other nice >cars. >Wife was pleasant and recounted some stories about the car. He was >selling >it to buy a new M5. > >It might have all been a setup, but the car was and is great. > >Gary Derian >> >> I like Gary's idea of meeting the wife & kids... >> >> Lee > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:04:55 -0500 From: "Weimer, Matt J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Checking Differential Group, Anyone know of a good procedure to check out a differential that has already been removed from a vehicle? Aside from rotating freely and clean oil is there a way to check gear lash, input bearing condition etc.? I assume that you can check the LSD breakaway torque by holding one flange steady and using a torque wrench on the other? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Matt Weimer Hoosier Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:13:37 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:30:05 -0400 >I don't know, The drinks I could have bought Ms Lee to help her >figure out >how to get out of her string top last Friday night would have been >the >better deal IMO. Next time you find yourself in that predicament, call me. I bought my last V1 used, so I have money for drinks. I promise to tell you how it worked out in the morning. >Now, I do have a Bel sun detector that I should dump on Ebay. It >was the >best at detecting the sun with its laser warning. Anytime the >vehicle was >pointed towards the sun, instant laser warning. More "shoulda bought the V1" testimony... like anybody other than the gullible rubes who believe that BS radartest web site need more! >Misses the old days of using a old style square cobra that had a high >pitched, high volume buzzer that could break a piece of glass and >cops that >only had full time radar, no instant on. I think the average pick >up >distance was bout 3/4 to 1 mile. No kidding! I bought an original Escort from Dean B. on this list for sentimentality's sake. These days, it looks like a prop from an original Frankenstein movie - both in size and the lab-equipment needle gauge. I have it on top of my monitor, it lets me know when I am typing too fast. - - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:23:10 -0700 From: "Jim Tilley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] question re: Driving School I did the Bondurant 3 day school two years ago in Phoenix. Ran Mustang Cobras, one with instrumentation and had Darren Law as an instructor (currently running a BMW powered Pichio (sp?) in Grand Am). Got six hours of track time each day. Darren would ride with you when you needed the feedback and run against you when he was not coaching someone. Jim Tilley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [uuc] question re: Driving School > Alex, > > I did the Bondurant 4 day Road Racing Course a few years ago and that's the > only professional school I've done. It was absoultely awesome! There was a > decent mix of people who had done some stuff before and those who had done > none. And you could tell by the second day! > > The things I liked about the Bondurant course: > > 1. Your limit is how hard you want to push it. And since you're paying for > any incidents (even the insurance only covers so much) you are responsible > for your actions. But you are not limited to levels that may or may not be > beneath your abilities. And the instructors were very good at assessing > abilities and limits. > 2. The instructors were all great and had a variety of experience. One of > my instructors was Charles Espenlaub whom some of you may recognize as a > current Mazda Protoge driver in Speed World Challenge Touring. Mike > Fitzgerald was also an instructor at the time but he was off racing when I > attended. A coworker had Mike as an instructor, great guy. I worked with > another guy, whose name I forget at this time, who was running in Toyota > Atlantic. > 3. The 4 day course offered 2.5 days in sedans (Mudstains at the time, I > think they run Caterras or CTS' or whatever the ugly POS Cadillac sedan du > jour is) and then 1.5 days in the Formula Fords. An excllent mix of > vehicles, skills, etc. > 4. Because it was the 4 day course, on the morning of the 4th day we had a > 10 lap mock SCCA race. It was absoulutely awesome!! We did practice starts > and all. I finished 2nd, got beat by some guy who was getting into PCA club > racing. ; ( > 5. Instruction included lots of on track driving, car control skills on a > vehicle dynamics skid pad, skid pad car (that car with the hydraulics to > raise/lower it...cool), instructor rides (you with them and them with you), > follow the leader, braking exercises, accident avoidance exercises....tons > of stuff. Oh, and naturally, class room instruction as well. > 6. Laid back but safe (sorta like an SCCA school). > 7. Very friendly instructors, we had lunch with them everyday (lunch was a > do-as-you-wish type thing). > > I am thoroughly pleased that I did this course. The only other course I > would have any real interest in attending now would be the Derek Daley > course....mostly because I would like to get that mix of sedan/road car and > formula car mix. > > I'm sure which ever one is chosen, it will be tons of fun and the education > will be excellent! > > Jack Money....I earned the Bondurant patch > '89 325iX > '88 M3 #86 JP > Elephant Motorsports > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:53 AM > To: BMW List > Subject: [uuc] question re: Driving School > > > My friend is turning 30 next month. His gal wants to set up a group gift > from all his friends/relatives. She wants to send him to a driving school. > She was asking about Skip Barber and others. Does anyone have any > recommendations regarding this? He does not have a track car, so the event > would have to offer this as well. > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:24:25 -0700 From: "Jim Tilley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... By the same token it is much more difficult to use because it has to be accurately pointed. Jim Tilley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Yip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... > Bingo - that's why laser has been so popular and successful with law > enforcement over radar. Valentine is sensitive enough to pickup > laser being shot at other vehicles but even then it's a crap shoot > (so to speak). > > --- paul t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > if thats the case, then wouldn't that defeat the > > purpose of the radar detector? if you've been tagged > > with the laser the same time the V1 goes off, game is over... > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:30:51 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... Paul, I thought everyone knew that... >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:17:04 -0700 (PDT) >From: paul t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [uuc] has your V1 ever.... > <snip> > >so in other words, my V1 won't pick up the lidar/laser >unless it's shot directly at my car? > >if thats the case, then wouldn't that defeat the >purpose of the radar detector? if you've been tagged >with the laser the same time the V1 goes off, game is over... There is a very, very small but real chance that you'll pick up the laser when the car right in front of you gets hit with the beam. And you might get lucky that the officer just focuses on the car in front and fails to notice that you were going the same speed directly behind. So I wouldn't say that a laser detector is useless. But close. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:00:49 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? Ah the old what is a Coupe arguement. The standard definition is a two door car with two seats and a solid roof. No mention of pillars, but two seats is usually specified but not always. Actually there is no standard definition. Your definition fits what in the US used to be called a hardtop, available in the 50s and 60s in two and four door models. cou�p� (ku-pa') n. A closed four-wheel carriage with two seats inside and one outside. also coupe (kup). A closed two-door automobile. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze - 4 door sedan 03 W209 - 2 door, B pillarlesss 4 passenger car, The manufacturerr calls it a coupe but they called the preceding W208 model a coupe too and it had B pillars. I don't call either a coupe I call 'em 2 door sedans or hardtops but what do I know............. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? > No they are not. If you can't roll down the side windows and swing your > arm from "A" pillar to "C" pillar, it isn't a true coupe, it is a two > door sedan. > > Robinson, Lee wrote: > > >Of course, Gary & I were talking about sedans.....the 2-door E36's are true > >coupes & not sedans. > > > >Lee > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:18:15 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Ault Park Concours D' Elegance I went to this show on Sunday and was in awe. Anyone else go? There was a 57 BMW 507 there! I've never seen one anywhere before. I couldn't walk away from it. Incredible car. BMW did a fantastic job with making the Z8 a kickback to that car. Fantastic job, I'm telling you...the damn thing was so similar I couldn't believe it. There was also a 320 Turbo with all the body cladding....M stripe paint...beautiful. Lots of other beauty's there....ferrari's, bugatti's, aston martin's, and on and on. I'll try to post some of the photos on a URL so ya'll can see the 507. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:29:11 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car When I bought my 1995 M3 in May 1999 (slippery slope since), it was my first BMW, furthermore, it was my first used car since my very first car (which I bought off my brother-in-law and knew the entire history) when I was 16 and I had never even driven a BMW let alone rear wheel drive (other than trucks) but I knew I had lusted after the E36 M3 since 1994 and that cover of Car & Driver with the yellow M3. So, I knew basically nothing. But, it was a CPO car at a reputable BMW dealer and the minute I saw it I wanted it. The car was flawless, in, out, underneath, etc. While test driving it, I looked in the glove box when I was in the parking lot and found the prior owner's info in the manual including their home phone and address. So, I called them and talked to them about the car. Turned out, it was there third car and his wife had a 318ti slushbox that she drove out of convenience and he had a new 7 series and didn't like the stiff ride of the M3 so it primarily sat whi! ch explains why it had 12k miles in a four year lease. They liked the car but didn't care to drive manual and didn't like the stiffer ride. Also, the maintenance that was recorded (as little as it was), was all proper. So, during the test drive, I got a little excited at an inserection where I was stopped and punched the gas a little when pulling away in a right turn. The rear end dutifully stepped out as I went intersection the turn, I straightened her up as I gained momentum and quickly saw the blue/red lights in my rear view. The cop was hiding under a bridge nearby and was watching me closely as I had driven down the street to the stop sign. After telling the cop what the situation was (test driving the car, etc.) and he was back in his car doing his thing, I told myself that if I didn't get a ticket, I was putting a down payment on the car that night, if I got a ticket, it was bad juju and I would walk away. I ended up putting down a deposit that night. I then drove past the old owners house in Hudson, Ohio (a very nice area in Ohio) on my way home. Sure enough, the story of the prior owner checked out and they lived in a very nice home and their cars in the driveway were immaculate. So that is the boring story of my first step off the slippery slope of BMW ownership. Later, Rich 95 M3 - bought just over four years ago... 90 325is 89 325is ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6448 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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