[uucdigest] Friday, June 20 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6492
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Re: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 Re: [uuc] E34 Door Seals RE: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 RE: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:25:21 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 Michael says > > when there is traffic around I'm quite tame. > the wheels are 16" Mille Miglia MM11-2 sports. very open 5 spoke design. the > rotors are ATE powerslots front (cause I knew i'd have a pad gassing > problem) and balo rotors rear (stock, non vented, non slotted, etc...). > Calipers are stock, and pads are Metal Master's all around. (not the best > pads for agressive stuff, so better pads would take the heat better, but > that does little for the bias issue. and if I moved more bias to the rear on > the stock rotor, it would become unhappy very quickly.) Not sure about that pad gassing issue or not as I think pad gassing is largely not an issue for most.... Here is my recommendation after watching this thread over the past few days. Get rid of the powerslot rotors and get your self some regular rotors and ditch the Metal Masters. I guarantee...stress...guarantee you will get better performance from your brakes with just about any pad but these. Honestly, I think this is an interesting thread but I think your chasing your tail some ;-) I would have thought you would have done more with all of the pad choices which are out there before looking for larger calipers. Seeing as how you are using Metal Masters, I would experiment with pads before experimenting with calipers. Maybe you already have but if you had, I wouldn't think you would be using Metal Masters. Regards, Rich - thinks Metal Masters are junk, alone with their Deluxe brethren. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:45:11 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Ceramic Brake Pads? Has anyone tried these ceramic brake pads? Akebono ProACT Ceramic Pads (Material: Ceramic) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:50:24 -0400 From: Ray Bahr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Changing Auto to manual Hi All, With Project X visions in my mind I am wondering what it would take to drop a 6-speed tranny from a 540-6 into the 540 Wagon with the Auto? Brett or anyone else have any thoughts on this? TIA Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:23:27 -0400 From: John Barfuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Time to re-tire. Well, business has picked up a bit, and I figure I better replace my rubber before I hyrdoplane into oblivion. Car: 95 540i Current tires: Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Symmetrical -- almost slicks in back, especially right rear (still haven't installed that 3.15 LSD I bought last winter on eBay). I've narrowed it down to three, all at about the same price from Tire Rack (I'll buy from Discount for about the same price -- since TR prices do not include shipping, sales tax, mounting, balancing or road hazard). Choices, in no order of preference: Continental ContiExtreme Contact, Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Symmetrical, Yokohama AVS dB S2 I'm leaning toward the Conti, just to see how they're different from the Dunlops, which I've run on two different e34s -- they've been berry berry good to me, with about 25,000 miles on each set. But the Yoko's could work, too. One thing, the Conti's list a max pressure of 35psi, which is six less than the BMW specs call for on the rears. Normally, though, I run at the Canadian pressures, which are 29/33. I do not know why Canadian pressures are lower. Experiences and thoughts? Thanks. JB - -- John Barfuss Grand Rapids, MI www.bcreative.net 95 540iA - Alusil at 52k, valve body rebuild, sharked, LSD waiting for a block of time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:36:38 -0400 From: "Michael McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 > Michael says > > > when there is traffic around I'm quite tame. > > the wheels are 16" Mille Miglia MM11-2 sports. very open 5 spoke design. the > > rotors are ATE powerslots front (cause I knew i'd have a pad gassing > > problem) and balo rotors rear (stock, non vented, non slotted, etc...). > > Calipers are stock, and pads are Metal Master's all around. (not the best > > pads for agressive stuff, so better pads would take the heat better, but > > that does little for the bias issue. and if I moved more bias to the rear on > > the stock rotor, it would become unhappy very quickly.) > > Not sure about that pad gassing issue or not as I think pad gassing is largely not an issue for most.... > pad gassing has always been an issue for street pads when I'm involved. I've faded autocross pads in a subdivision before. :oP I'm also known to carry extra pints of brake fluid and bleeder bottles on my mountain trips. > Here is my recommendation after watching this thread over the past few days. Get rid of the powerslot rotors and get your self some regular rotors and ditch the Metal Masters. I guarantee...stress...guarantee you will get better performance from your brakes with just about any pad but these. > > Honestly, I think this is an interesting thread but I think your chasing your tail some ;-) I would have thought you would have done more with all of the pad choices which are out there before looking for larger calipers. Seeing as how you are using Metal Masters, I would experiment with pads before experimenting with calipers. Maybe you already have but if you had, I wouldn't think you would be using Metal Masters. > different pads (and rotors) may yield better braking performance, but given the same compound front and rear again, I don't think it would do anything for brake balance. I don't want to buy a new set of pads and rotors just to know that i need a new set of pads rotors and calipers. so math now, spend later. :o) I want to get it right (if there is such a thing) the first time. > Regards, > > Rich - thinks Metal Masters are junk, alone with their Deluxe brethren. the metalmasters were recommended to me over the EBC's and the Pagid's. at the time, the car was a stock 525, and I didn't have any intentions of doing anything to (or with) the car beyond it being my daily driver. they were supposed to be decent "agressive street pads" that could easily handle autocross abuse and the likes. I've had sets of pads in other cars that were true track pads... wasn't fun having to ride the brakes for the first half mile or more in the morning, and knowing if you did need to stop suddenly, you probably wouldn't be able to. but once they were warm.... oh baby they were nice. but street pads are still better for street use. BTW, the metalmasters are the only street pad that turner motorsports sells. also, I wouldn't say that the pads or rotors are bad. or that the braking system itself is bad. its good for a street car. the car stops well. I cooked the crap out of the pads, but I've done that on high end quasi racing pads on other cars too. my dad is even worse on brakes (probably where i get it from.) he even once had one of the instructors at the Elf Winfield school tell him "you are brutal on the brakes"... in a formula car. I've been told that perhaps the *cool willy* pads might be a better pad for me on the street. whats the generally recommended pad here? - -Michael McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:50:37 -0700 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E34 Door Seals don't have any used ones...sorry. but you might try BMA auto parts in california for a quote. they seem to sell BMW logo stuff a ridiculous low prices. used 'em for years, saved gazillions. no affiliation other than just being happy. www.bmaautoparts.com Jeff 90 535i - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: [uuc] E34 Door Seals > I need some front door seals for a 90 525 and don't really want to drop the > $ on new ones. Is anyone parting a car with decent seals? I am not sure > how important color is, since almost none of it shows when the doors are > closed. Let me know. > > Steve Conner > Kokomo, IN > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:20:37 +1000 From: Kim Henshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 Here, here. That was the point of the inclusion about brakes on my E34 included at the end of my last "black art" post..... Kim H - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorffer, Rich Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 Michael says > > when there is traffic around I'm quite tame. > the wheels are 16" Mille Miglia MM11-2 sports. very open 5 spoke design. the > rotors are ATE powerslots front (cause I knew i'd have a pad gassing > problem) and balo rotors rear (stock, non vented, non slotted, etc...). > Calipers are stock, and pads are Metal Master's all around. (not the best > pads for agressive stuff, so better pads would take the heat better, but > that does little for the bias issue. and if I moved more bias to the rear on > the stock rotor, it would become unhappy very quickly.) Not sure about that pad gassing issue or not as I think pad gassing is largely not an issue for most.... Here is my recommendation after watching this thread over the past few days. Get rid of the powerslot rotors and get your self some regular rotors and ditch the Metal Masters. I guarantee...stress...guarantee you will get better performance from your brakes with just about any pad but these. Honestly, I think this is an interesting thread but I think your chasing your tail some ;-) I would have thought you would have done more with all of the pad choices which are out there before looking for larger calipers. Seeing as how you are using Metal Masters, I would experiment with pads before experimenting with calipers. Maybe you already have but if you had, I wouldn't think you would be using Metal Masters. Regards, Rich - thinks Metal Masters are junk, alone with their Deluxe brethren. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:22:52 +1000 From: Kim Henshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 I hope whoever recommended MM's over Pagids was talking about value for money, not quality!! Kim H - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael McCoy Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [uuc] Brake upgrades for E34 525 > Michael says > > > when there is traffic around I'm quite tame. > > the wheels are 16" Mille Miglia MM11-2 sports. very open 5 spoke design. the > > rotors are ATE powerslots front (cause I knew i'd have a pad gassing > > problem) and balo rotors rear (stock, non vented, non slotted, etc...). > > Calipers are stock, and pads are Metal Master's all around. (not the best > > pads for agressive stuff, so better pads would take the heat better, but > > that does little for the bias issue. and if I moved more bias to the rear on > > the stock rotor, it would become unhappy very quickly.) > > Not sure about that pad gassing issue or not as I think pad gassing is largely not an issue for most.... > pad gassing has always been an issue for street pads when I'm involved. I've faded autocross pads in a subdivision before. :oP I'm also known to carry extra pints of brake fluid and bleeder bottles on my mountain trips. > Here is my recommendation after watching this thread over the past few days. Get rid of the powerslot rotors and get your self some regular rotors and ditch the Metal Masters. I guarantee...stress...guarantee you will get better performance from your brakes with just about any pad but these. > > Honestly, I think this is an interesting thread but I think your chasing your tail some ;-) I would have thought you would have done more with all of the pad choices which are out there before looking for larger calipers. Seeing as how you are using Metal Masters, I would experiment with pads before experimenting with calipers. Maybe you already have but if you had, I wouldn't think you would be using Metal Masters. > different pads (and rotors) may yield better braking performance, but given the same compound front and rear again, I don't think it would do anything for brake balance. I don't want to buy a new set of pads and rotors just to know that i need a new set of pads rotors and calipers. so math now, spend later. :o) I want to get it right (if there is such a thing) the first time. > Regards, > > Rich - thinks Metal Masters are junk, alone with their Deluxe brethren. the metalmasters were recommended to me over the EBC's and the Pagid's. at the time, the car was a stock 525, and I didn't have any intentions of doing anything to (or with) the car beyond it being my daily driver. they were supposed to be decent "agressive street pads" that could easily handle autocross abuse and the likes. I've had sets of pads in other cars that were true track pads... wasn't fun having to ride the brakes for the first half mile or more in the morning, and knowing if you did need to stop suddenly, you probably wouldn't be able to. but once they were warm.... oh baby they were nice. but street pads are still better for street use. BTW, the metalmasters are the only street pad that turner motorsports sells. also, I wouldn't say that the pads or rotors are bad. or that the braking system itself is bad. its good for a street car. the car stops well. I cooked the crap out of the pads, but I've done that on high end quasi racing pads on other cars too. my dad is even worse on brakes (probably where i get it from.) he even once had one of the instructors at the Elf Winfield school tell him "you are brutal on the brakes"... in a formula car. I've been told that perhaps the *cool willy* pads might be a better pad for me on the street. whats the generally recommended pad here? - -Michael McCoy ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6492 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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