[uucdigest] Thursday, July 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6558
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New x5 Re: [uuc] New Shell Gasoline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:20:01 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 If can be a cool side-effect of leasing :-) For example, at the time I leased my C5 convertible I got the best deal I could after much shopping - from a dealer hundreds of miles away and had the car transported down. At lease end, the lease bank discounted it an additional $2500 to keep me from turning it in. There is no way I could have gotten $2500 additional discount at the time I leased the car. In the end I sold the car and made a little extra. Lots of folks don't like (or understand) leasing, but it is nice that the bank takes the chance on the future value. If the car holds value more than the buyout, then you "win" if you want to buy the car out. If it is worth less, then they will likely discount it to keep you from turning it in - or you just walk away. Cars that traditionally retain a high percentage of original value (e.g. M cars, S2000, Porsche, etc) can be a really nice lease - since you are paying the difference between lowest negotiated price and the bank's predicted future value. Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd At 08:51 AM 07/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >YMMV but where I live, I see 3 year old X5's (2001) selling for mid 30's at >least (I was also considering a used one). But Lee and Dennis are right (as >my salesman also pointed out) you can always negotiate this price later. > >Larry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robinson, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:32 AM >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > >That's what I was thinking. I was thinking they might be bringing down more >than $28k. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Wynne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:45 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > > > > That does not matter at all - you WANT the residual to be > > real high, so > > your payments are low. At lease end, he can negotiate a lower > > buyout price > > if he wants to keep the X5. If the price is fair, then buy it > > - otherwise > > walk away. It can be another way to get an additional > > discount on a BMW :-) > > > > He may only get $2k off MSRP now, but in 3 years if they have > > not held value > > they may offer it to him for several more thousand off. > > > > Dennis > > 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd > > > > At 01:39 PM 07/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Congrats Larry, > > > > > >Glad you managed to find someone to help you into the car > > your wife (& I > > >suspect you too) wanted. > > > > > >$28,500 for a 3 year old X5......did you check what the > > current 3 yr olds > > >are going for. C'mon bully the dealer down on the lease. :) > > > > > >Lee > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Binder, Larry - Spine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:13 AM > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > Subject: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > > > > > > > > > > We've decided on an X5 3.0, Prem,CW,Climate,PDC,Xenon,Heated > > > > Steering Wheel, Steel Gray w/black. $46,070 > > > > The lease will be $504 per month, %60 Residual, %2.4 finance > > > > rate 36 months > > > > $3,500 down+fees ($5000 total Out of pocket -$1000 CCA > > Rebate) $28,500 > > > > buyout at lease end. We pick it up today at 3:00. It is > > from a local > > > > dealer, West German BMW in Fort Washington, PA. How does this > > > > deal sound? I am getting 2k off MSRP. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:26:30 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Dyno Results for M50 2.5 10 deg F = about 1% Gary Derian > Here are my results, very similar...the test was done by previous owner. > > > This is with free-flow exhaust > K&N cone intake - no heat shield installed then > Dinan Chip > > Testing was done in Mt. Airy, MD > 6/25/2001, 87.5F, no humidity info given. > > 160 rwhp at 6200 rpm -> 11.9 A/F > 143 rwtq at 5400 rpm -> 12.9 A/F > > Would the difference of ambient temp. of nearly 33F and heat shield make > that much difference? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > My 1993 325is with 98,000 miles on it did the following last > November prior to installing my "under development" twin-screw > supercharger kit: > > 171.6 rwhp at 6000 rpm > 157.5 rwtq at 4750 rpm > > This was with a UUC exhaust (the single silencer model), > K&N cone intake with homemade heat shield, and a racing > dynamics (autothority) chip. > > Testing was done on the Mustang Dyno at Cyntex in West Chester,PA. > > Ambient temp was around 55F with 90+ % humidity. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:39:39 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] You can be charged for having bald tires on your BMW Blah, blah, blah..... Typical crap from a sh!thead district attorney trying to make a name for himself. This has been all over the news here in Atlanta. This sleaze-bag is just trying to pile on charges. First of all, if the tires were truly bald they should have been better suited to the dry road the girl was on. I doubt there was anything wrong with the brakes. I kind of also doubt that 2 girls from the N. Atlanta yuppie bubble were truly "racing" in BMWs. Both were prolly going faster than they needed to be (something for which I am not innocent of). I personally think trying the other girl is bullsh!t too. She wasn't pushing the gas pedal of the wrecked car. Not only that, she managed to maintain her car at a speed that was safe for her. Typical "blame everyone but me" crap. I can't remember seeing if the girls knew each other....i.e. it's possible the one girl was minding her own business & the other girl was trying to catch her. Unlikely, but possible. I imagine the reason she didn't say anything about racing is that she wasn't. I think I remember seeing somewhere that the passenger was not wearing a seat belt & thrown. Sorry if this sounds callous, but if you're 17 have a driver's liscence & are killed for not wearing a seatbelt, then you just helped to bolster Darwin's theory of "Natural Selection". Sorry, if you don't wear your seatbelt, I really have very little sympathy. For the father to say the car was "stacked against them" is crap too. I would think the car was fine. His son was too stupid to fasten his belt or ask to slow down. What's really amusing is that if the parent were to go to trial, 9 of the 12 jurors probably have a car with bald tires or an underinflated tire or neglected brakes, etc. I can go out in the parking lot of my office & prolly find 80% of cars with something wrong. Sorry for the rant, but I get so sick of seeing all this crap everywhere......it was a tradgey,yes. One resulting from stupidity, yes....but these schmucks are blowing it waaaaay out of proportion. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:19 PM > To: BMW List > Subject: [uuc] You can be charged for having bald tires on your BMW > > > fyi... > > vty, > > --Dennis > ___________________ > > http://www.ajc.com/wednesday/content/epaper/editions/wednesday > /metro_f3b06b1 > a35cda0b600cc.html > > DA says he will charge parents in teen crash > Beth Warren - Staff > Wednesday, July 9, 2003 > > Gwinnett District Attorney Danny Porter said Tuesday he will file > misdemeanor charges this week against the parents of a teenager who is > accused of causing a fatal wreck. > > Porter said he will charge the parents with the misdemeanor > of allowing > their daughter to drive a car that he claims had bald tires > and worn brakes. > > The couple's daughter, Wendy Nicole Jennings, 16, lost control of the > family's BMW March 7 while driving at speeds over 90 mph in a > 55 mph zone on > Peachtree Parkway in Gwinnett, according to police. > > The BMW crossed the grass median, rammed a Honda Accord headed in the > opposite direction and then flipped before landing on the > Honda, according > to police reports. The teen's passenger, Jacob Miller, 17, > and the Honda > driver, Julia Burns, 61, died in the wreck. > > Jennings and the driver of a car police say was racing > Jennings will each be > charged with two counts of felony first-degree vehicular > homicide, reckless > driving and racing, Porter said. > > Porter said he also plans to charge Jennings' parents, Cheryl and > Christopher Jennings, with permitting the unlawful operation > of a vehicle, a > misdemeanor, because they were aware of her driving history. Neighbors > previously had complained to the parents after seeing the teen zipping > through their neighborhood, Gwinnett police investigator W.A. > Newman said. > > The parents could face up to two years behind bars and up to > a $10,000 fine > if convicted on both misdemeanor charges, Porter said. > > Neither the Jennings parents nor their attorney, Walt Britt, could be > reached for comments Tuesday after repeated attempts. > > In charging the parents, Porter is citing a state law that forbids car > owners from allowing others to drive an unsafe vehicle. > > But persuading a jury to convict the parents could be a > challenge, said > Atlanta defense attorney Jack Martin, who is not associated > with this case. > > "I think a jury would be unlikely to convict on bald tires > alone," Martin > said. > > John Bobo, head of the National Traffic Law Center, said the > case is unusual > but could have merit. > > "If you had a car you knew was a death trap and allowed it to > be used, then > it may be a fair call" to prosecute, Bobo said. > > But a spokesman for the Washington-based National Association > of Criminal > Defense Lawyers said the Gwinnett prosecutor is going too far. > > "I think it's a very rare case, and it should be rare," said > Daniel Dodson. > "It's sort of stretching the bounds of criminal justice by > managing parental > disciplinary decisions," Dodson said. > > The teenage victim's father, Richard Miller, said he and his > wife hadn't > allowed their son to get his own car because they didn't feel > he was ready > for the responsibility. > > "Both Wendy and Jacob were probably doing crazy teenage > things" at the time > of the accident, the father said. "Unfortunately, they didn't > know the car > was stacked against them. > > "I do believe the parents should be responsible," Miller said. > > Jill Burns, the daughter of victim Julia Burns, was surprised > to learn the > district attorney was going to charge the parents. > > "We lost our mom, and we trust the DA will do everything > possible to bring > us justice," Burns, 33, said. > > On Tuesday, Porter identified for the first time Susan Osley, 17, of > Atlanta, as the driver accused of racing alongside Jennings. > > Osley, also driving a BMW, did stop after realizing there had > been a wreck > and she cooperated with police, her attorney, Christine > Koehler, said. But > Osley didn't tell police she had been racing with Jennings until after > police got more details from witnesses days later, police said. > > Osley is expected to turn herself in next week, her attorney said. The > average sentence in Gwinnett for vehicular homicide involving > one death is > about 8 1/2 years, the prosecutor said. > > Wendy Jennings will face the same charges as Osley. > > Porter said he will file a motion asking a Juvenile Court > judge to transfer > the charges against Jennings to Gwinnett Superior Court so > she can be tried > as an adult. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:42:22 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 I would think you could benenfit from this with full-size trucks & SUVs too. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:47:52 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Shell Gasoline - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [uuc] New Shell Gasoline > Have you guys heard the marketing campaign from Shell about how their petrol > can reduce friction and increase gas mileage? What's up with this? What > additive can they include in an unleaded gasoline that will reduce friction > but not increase particulates? And if they indeed have such a clean burning > friction reducer, what would the slipperiness benefit? Rings? What could > "coat" the cylinder walls reducing friction that wouldn't through off the > exhaust makeup at the tailpipe? > >From the Shell web site http://www.shellus.com/: <quote> Prior to developing the new fuel, Shell conducted extensive consumer research, which revealed that drivers value the time and money saved as a result of improved fuel economy. The new formulation reduces friction between moving parts inside an engine, such as pistons and rings, so they slide more easily inside cylinders. This helps the engine run more efficiently and use less fuel. In addition, the new Shell formulation has significantly more detergent than gasoline's at minimum EPA detergency requirements to help protect against the build-up of harmful carbon deposits inside the engine. A clean engine not only performs better, but also produces fewer emissions. </quote> Bottom line - by using more than the mandated levels of detergents you get a cleaner engine that gives better gas mileage. Their own figures state an extra 125 miles out of every 12,500 or a 1% improvement. Although this is measurable in the lab it is not significant when applied to my driving habits. YMMV (literally) Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze - mileage? mileage? we don' neeed no Steenkin' mileage some Volvos other cars ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6558 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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