[uucdigest] Thursday, July 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6561
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Re: [uuc] <E36> M3 Aux Fan Questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:37:44 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: new Shell gasoline. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jkerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [uuc] re: new Shell gasoline. > re: new Shell gasoline: > > Wasn't that special mixture called Platformate, that Shell introduced in > 1968 with a bunch of long distance fuel economy commercial? And > Consumer Reports lambasted with an expose article on the driving > techniques Shell used? Platformate is an aromatic rich stream produced by a proprietary reformer process. It is used in the process of creating high octane blending stocks and is just one way of several to create the stocks. Advertising Platformate was just another way of trying to differentiate a fungible good. That was back in the days when petroleum marketing focused even more on ridiculous or unsubstantiated claims. Bill Matthews 00 M Geeze cars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:41:38 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Shell Gasoline Bill Matthews quoted the Shell web site: >><quote> >>Prior to developing the new fuel, Shell conducted extensive consumer >>research, which revealed that drivers value the time and money saved as a >>result of improved fuel economy. >> It required extensive research to determine that consumers value improved fuel economy? Duh! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 M3 Strut Brace on non-M cars? On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Peter Guagenti wrote: > Does anyone know if the E46 M3 strut brace fits on non-M E46 cars? Yes. AFAIK, it fits all E46 chassis. - --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:18:06 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: new Shell gasoline. From: "JSN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I can see the potential for a lot of hoooey in the marketing of gasolines. > > Is there any trusted site of information that compares the national brands? > No because there is no "National" formulation for any brand. Gasoline marketing is regional because of transportation cost and because of differences required in blends in varying geographic areas. All the gas in a given geographic area usually comes from the same few refineries in that area. Petroleum marketers trade gas in an area where they have a refinery with another refiner in an area they don't have one or buy it if they have to. The difference is the additive packages they put in for each brand and of course the marketing spiel. Now that doesn't mean you can't have a meaningful report on the quality of the gasoline by brand by geographic region if you are willing to pay the $. In 1978 I was with a very large chemical company that had in it's business portfolio Tetraethyl and Metraethyl lead and other gasoline additives. This was at the beginning of the lead phase down but the business was still a very large cash cow. There were only 4 manufacturers - two with about 40% of the business each and two that split the remaining 20%. (note see Econ 101 - Oligopoly) Lead in gas was a high value in use product that the manufacturers competed based on services provided as opposed to price. BIG margins. One of the services offered by my company was gasoline survey done every Summer and Winter (blends were different summer to winter even back then). All the lead salesmen went around to various gas stations in their territory and collected samples that were shipped back to our regional and central testing facilities. The samples were tested for RON and MON and even some special actual driving and dyno tests in a dedicated test car fleet. Reid vapor pressure and other standard measures were also done. The results by region were published and provided to each of our customers. The name of the brands were coded and they were only given the code for their brand (wink,wink) so could only tell how they compared with everyone else but not who everyone else was specifically. Our survey was one of the better marketing tools we had because it was at the time the only independent competitive comparison the refiners had - and it didn't cost them anything other than having to buy from us. Needless to say the survey cost $millions a year to put together and disappeared when Dup h^h^h^h^h^ got out of the TEL 'bidness. I think I still have one of those surveys in my basement somewhere. Bill Matthews 00 M Geeze cars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:19:20 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <E30> Which were the best brake disks? Hi Tabe, my Balo rotors (purchased from James at Bimmerworld, no affiliation) have been great. I used to buy ATE rotors, but Bill Arnold always had to true them up for me before they could be installed. HTH, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:34:34 -0400 (EDT) >From: tabe johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] <E30> Which were the best brake disks? > >Hi All, > >There was a discussion here maybe a month ago about >which brake disks were best, to the effect that one >of the brands, even new, was sometimes warped. > >Could someone please remind me which was the "good" >brand? > >Thanks, > >tabe johnson >1988 325is >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:25:31 -0400 From: "roger n. katz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Too much power? Stefano, The numbers on the AMG CL65 are even MORE insane than these. But consumers "collectively" seem to have an appetite for more power than is necessary in all aspects of their lives. No doubt, the chip in your computer is waaay more powerful than required for your regular tasks. Did anyone really need the Hayabusa? My old Ducati Pantah 650 has more than enough torque for my purposes! Heck, we even consume more calories than are required by our activity. But I agree completely -- it's a recipe for disaster. There will be a couple of Darwin Award-worthy casualties from this. Roger Gaudio, Stefano wrote: >I just read in Car and Driver Mag aug 2003 ed. about the merc SL65 AMG. Ok >who needs 604HP and 738Lb/ft of torque? Are we going mad? Did anyone >notice that most US highways have a 55mph speed limit? My stock '98 M3 is a >lot of fun, with enough power that I never really have to floor it because >of traffic conditions. Sure it's nice doing it every once in a while but >any red line after 2nd gear and I'm already in trouble with the trooper at >the next trap. The only time I can really enjoy it is at the track and I >can have fun at the local autoX too. 240HP need respect @ the track 604Hp >need a schumacher to really enjoy it. That much power won't be even >appreciated until you are well above the 55mph. I think that they are just >asking for trouble. I'm waiting for that guy talking on the cell w 738Lb/ft >of torque. Ouch!!! > >Stefano > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:03:13 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] re: shop charges/ Are they a local chapter advertiser? jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some advertisers are held in good repute by some chapters _only > because of continuing advertising and financial support. At times, > in order to supress knowledge of bad business dealings or to discredit > a customer who has been wronged by an advertiser or sponsor, the > advertiser or sponsor will use financial leverage to retaliate against > a customer who was legitimately wronged. Some chapters will not > hesitate to do as this quote from a past president of a chapter states, > "we lost our sponsorship and did what we had to get it back". [...] > f the dealer kept buying influence in a local chapter, the local > chapter would do as the dealer wanted. Mr Barr, Why all the anonymity? Not to mention that animosity? You've been nurturing your grudge against a local BMW dealer and BMW CCA chapter in these forums for far too long. A local BMW CCA chapter gets anywhere from $50 for smaller chapters to maybe $500 a year for the larger ones from an advertiser. In other words, a rounding off error in most chapters' budgets. To suggest that your chapter officials would compromise their integrity over peanuts is ludicrous. > Thus a dealership used financial influence on a local chapter to > retaliate against me for their losses, You may find it hard to believe, but you are assigning way too much significance to your persona. Your transaction and its consequences hardly registered on a dealer's bottom line. There a plenty of hard nosed car sales people and managers out there. Like it or not, car dealers are independent businesses. AFAIK, all 50 states in the Union have legislated that car manufacturers are not allowed to sell their products directly to the public. So if you have a grudge with a dealer, take it off this forum and have a talk with your local state representative. > and the national level of BMWCCA approved it. Sounds like pure libel wrapped in delusions of grandeur. > So when a business is an advertiser or sponsor of your chapter, > that does mean they would like your business, and should get first > consideration over those who don't support BMW related activities. > But that still leaves it up to you to if they are reputable, or just > trying to buy influence at your expense. To suggest that your local chapter officials would screw their fellow members for a few bucks is, frankly, offensive. If you think your chapter officials are not doing right by their members, quit bitching and stand up to be counted. Volunteer to organize an event, run for office, make a positive difference. This is the last time I'm replying to your whining hogwash. Welcome to my spam filter! alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:05:06 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Shell Gasoline That is pretty funny! In the ad the Shell car goes farther, but they don't say or show how much further: 1 foot, 100 miles, etc. If you got 23mph and had a 15 gallon tank, you could go 345 miles from full to dry. Using Shell would (in theory) allow you to go 348.45 miles. If you fill up before empty, then the "gain" would be even less. It is likely that any savings of using Shell gas would be lost in driving past your local station to get to the Shell station :-) Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd At 10:47 AM 07/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Bottom line - by using more than the mandated levels of detergents you get a >cleaner engine that gives better gas mileage. Their own figures state an >extra 125 miles out of every 12,500 or a 1% improvement. Although this is >measurable in the lab it is not significant when applied to my driving >habits. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:48:24 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Chicagoland Dealer recommencations A friend of mine from Chicago is looking to join the ranks of BMW owners and I'd like to see him get a good start. Can anyone recommend a dealer in the Chicago area, good or bad, so I can advise him? Thanks in advance. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:02:41 -0700 From: "Frank & Kirsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Removing tint Spray the tint with ammonia mixed in water (inside window surface) and then put a black plastic bag on the window (outside window surface) and let the sun do its stuff. After an hour or so, the tint should peel right off. Good luck, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:11:11 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Removing Tint? Spray with ammonia, cover with plastic wrap, let set in sun, peel off. Gary Derian > Anyone have any tips on the easiest way to remove tint? My '95 had tint on > it when I bought it and it is aging poorly. Any tips would be appreciated. > > -peterg > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: paul t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> M3 Aux Fan Questions >This is not normal (aux fan should be on at low speed >with AC on), but >it's not necessarily broken. >More likely, in the order of probability: >1. the 30?AMP aux fan fuse had blown. Replace as >needed. >2. the aux fan resistor has fried. Run Bentley tests >on the resistor >(manually short the coolant temp feed to the aux fan >to induce low/high >speed runs). >3. the $300 aux fan itself is fried. Not pretty and a >minor PITA to >replace. > >alex f THANKS ALEX!! you hit the nail right on the head!! it was fuse #41 (i believe) that caused the problem for me. thanks for saving me $300+ and now i'll have a cool ride home!! paul (different paul than original poster) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6561 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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