[uucdigest] Thursday, July 31 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6617
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] M2 RE: [uuc] M2 [uuc] [E30] Body side moulding removal [uuc] Ceramic Date Pads RE: [uuc] M2 [uuc] E46 [uuc] '07 M2 RE: [uuc] M2 [uuc] Re: <OT> Trailer tire question Re: [uuc] M2 RE: [uuc] M2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:27:38 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JB) Subject: RE: [uuc] M2 > > Give me something the size of a miata that handles like a bmw, makes > > north of 200hp and 160ft/lbs, weighs under 2500lbs. Add a redline of at > least > > 8000 rpm, 4.10 or better gears, and a 6 speed gearbox... Not an exact match, but sounds a lot like Acura RSX..... John Shin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:30:05 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] M2 Matt wrote: > This is the new BMW vehicle i am interested in as well. > > The "take good motor, chop off 2 cyls" worked great in the original M3. > There's no reason to think it wont work now. > > Give me something the size of a miata that handles like a bmw, makes > north of 200hp and 160ft/lbs, weighs under 2500lbs. Add a redline of at least > 8000 rpm, 4.10 or better gears, and a 6 speed gearbox... > > The M2 is the car BMW NEEDS to make. Succeed the 2002 and the E30 M3 > all with one vehicle that the enthusiasts will universally love. _________________ The M2 exists. It's called the Honda S2000. :-) It's the size of a Miata, handles very well, 240 hp (40 more than you requested), 153 lb/ft of torque (pretty close to the 160 lbft you spec'ed), redline of 9000 rpm, and a six speed gearbox. The only spec that's out of line is the weight of 2800 lbs. Given all the safety equipment required today, it's tough to imagine a US-legal car getting much closer to 2500 lbs. If you were dedicated enough, it wouldn't be that tough to get it down to 2700 lbs, maybe 2600 if you worked at it. So, there is your M2. Just stick a BMW badge on it.... :-) vty, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:38:01 -0500 From: Norman Boehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [E30] Body side moulding removal Hey, folks. So what's the best/easiest/proper manner of removing (and reinstalling) the body side moulding (85 325e 4-dr)? N ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:39:31 -0500 From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Ceramic Date Pads I put a set of ceramic pads from NAPA on my 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and after 10,000 miles, I am very satisfied with them. I have not tried any repeated panic stops, but they have worked fine for pulling my ski boat, which has trailer brakes, but none the less, puts more strain on the brakes. There is no brake dust from them at all. I would not run them on my M3, but for a piece of junk like a Jeep, nothing is too bad, as long as it is safe and it works. I only have it because of my boat. It is terrible to drive and an insult to the auto industry. Dave 95 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:47:47 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] M2 Nobody will buy it. Here's the deal, the specs you guys are throwing out are already in a car BMW produced. The E30 M3. 195hp, 177 lb-ft 2700-2800lbs. It is an automotive icon, yet was never popular enough to make more than a cult car in the US. The only way I see BMW making this is that foriegn markets (Europe & Asia) really like smaller, high-powered cars. But, & this is a big BUT, the car would likely be around $30k US. In this price range, the Mitsus & Scoobys will kill anything short of about 300hp/3000lbs. That's why I was thinking a 2800lb big 4 or small 6 (2.0L) with a turbo would do wonderfully. I still see it as unlikely. BMW has been moving more up-market recently, & I think their desire is not to make really sporty driver's cars anymore. The kind of people buying BMWs don't care about this stuff. They want to be seen in the car, while not having to suffer from the harsh realities of pot holes, expansion joints & other bothers. I don't see anywhere near the number of E46 M3s on the road as you did of the E36 M3s. More than price I would guess this is probably due to the abscence of an auto tranny and maybe refinement. I've read a few times about E46 M3 owners complaining about road noise & roughness being transmitted into the cabin. While this makes for better feel of the road, don't forget (or fault) BMW is in the bu'iness of selling cars. Their target audience wants nothing resembling an E30 M3, or new M2, etc....They want folks to know they bought the most expensive, powerful & exclusive 3 series. Lemme make a suggestion. If you guys want a $30k car from BMW like this, go to Germany and buy the nicest M3 Sport Evo you can. Import it to the US. Now, you'll have one of the most exclusive rides around. You'll have 238 hp motivating 2640lbs through a brilliant chassis sans A/C, sunroof, leather & all that other crap you don't need. What, not interested? How 'bout a Lotus Elise, it's even lighter & faster? Hmmmmm.... No? If you guys want an E30 M3, go buy one. The only difference between that & the kind of car you guys are quoting here would be making new car payments. There are other similar cars, like the Acura Integra Type R, S2000 or Prelude--but note that these cars make even less torque than an M3...or maybe a 944 S2. Note that none of those were really good sellers, except the Prelude (maybe the S2000) which was available with an auto, and even then it wasn't good enough not to get nixed. The only new car I can think that really fits this bill is the TSX, which is basically a euro market Accord--but Grassroots gave it lots 'o props. Here's another thing--what's so big whoop about 100hp/L. The E30 M3 evoII was nearly there 15 years ago with 220hp & 180ft-lbs from a 2.3. That's 96hp/L, in a production car. Enough rambling on for now...... Lee 88 M3-> more than 200hp & 2812lbs with a full tank & spare tire inside........ > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] M2 > > > This is the new BMW vehicle i am interested in as well. > > The "take good motor, chop off 2 cyls" worked great in the > original M3. > There's no reason to think it wont work now. > > Give me something the size of a miata that handles like a bmw, makes > north of 200hp and 160ft/lbs, weighs under 2500lbs. Add a > redline of at least > 8000 rpm, 4.10 or better gears, and a 6 speed gearbox... > > The M2 is the car BMW NEEDS to make. Succeed the 2002 and the E30 M3 > all with one vehicle that the enthusiasts will universally love. > > incidentally if you assume 333hp/268 trq for the S54, divide > by 3.2 and > multiply by 2.2, you get: > > 228hp, 184ftlbs. > > the closer to 2000 lbs the M2 is, the better (unless they're > planning on > making it < 2000 lbs :) > > Matt > 88 M5 > '07 M2 ? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:50:43 -0400 From: "carl sewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E46 anybody out there w/infor re E46 bb or list? tia Carl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:05:48 -0500 From: "Roberts, Clarence H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] '07 M2 Another car fitting your description exists. After you buy one, you can replace the Honda S2000 name tags with BMW Roundels. Unfortunately, you will have to do without the Bangle flame surfacing. Honda has found this market limited as well. Next year's model will have a larger motor and more torque. '07 M2 ? You and about 5 other people would buy that car. The Lotus Elyse is available for that crowd. The realities of today's market demand a larger car. I used to want a 2000 lb 2 liter car, but I am happier with my 3800 lb 3.6 liter car when I'm playing SUV tag in traffic. Gary Derian > This is the new BMW vehicle i am interested in as well. > > The "take good motor, chop off 2 cyls" worked great in the original M3. > There's no reason to think it wont work now. > > Give me something the size of a miata that handles like a bmw, makes > north of 200hp and 160ft/lbs, weighs under 2500lbs. Add a redline of at least > 8000 rpm, 4.10 or better gears, and a 6 speed gearbox... > > The M2 is the car BMW NEEDS to make. Succeed the 2002 and the E30 M3 > all with one vehicle that the enthusiasts will universally love. > > incidentally if you assume 333hp/268 trq for the S54, divide by 3.2 and > multiply by 2.2, you get: > > 228hp, 184ftlbs. > > the closer to 2000 lbs the M2 is, the better (unless they're planning on > making it < 2000 lbs :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:46:02 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] M2 At 10:47 AM 7/31/2003 -0400, Robinson, Lee wrote: >Here's the deal, the specs you guys are throwing out are already in a car >BMW produced. The E30 M3. 195hp, 177 lb-ft 2700-2800lbs. Exactly, in sedan form. The only current production car that comes close is the Honda S2000. The S2000 is one of the top autox cars in SCCA stock class, just behind the Z06 Corvette but ahead of the E46 M3. >I don't see anywhere near the number of E46 M3s on the road as you did of >the E36 M3s. I would agree with you until this spring, but it seems like E46 M3's are everywhere in the SF Bay Area now. Based on production numbers it looks like the E46 M3 is out selling the E36 M3 in the US. The first two years of E36 M3 production from April '94 to December '95 was approximately 8000 cars. The first two years of E46 M3 production from spring 2001 to December 2002 was approximately 10,000 coupes and 6000 convertibles for a total of 16,000 cars. - -- Rex Tener [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1996 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II Street-Mod Light (as in lightly modified) #173 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:56:52 -0400 From: "Barbara Zmiewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <OT> Trailer tire question Thanks to all of you who gave me advice. Its been helpful. In retrospect I do think the pressure does need to be higher- the old tires were wearing on the outer edges- you'd think with the care and feeding we give the track tires and our street tires (bordering on retentive) we would have figured out we needed more pressure in the trailer given the wear pattern. Barb '90 M3 '88 M5 '02 Suburban > | E30 fuel filter > > It is easier than that. > > Set them up at maximum pressure listed on the label cold. That's what I > did > with both of my trailers. > > Also watch for cracking etc on the tires. > > Bora > > On Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003, at 13:12 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Barbara, do you have a pyrometer for setting pressures on your race car > > tires? If so, why not use it on the trailer tires? Look for even heat > > distribution across the tread. > > > > Scott Miller > > Probably not being much help > > GGC BMW CCA > > > >> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:47:42 -0400 > >> From: "Barbara Zmiewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:41:53 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] M2 A 330i fills the function of the E36 M3. The E46 M3 is a much more intense car. It rightfully sells to fewer people. That is a good thing for BMW. Gary Derian > holes, expansion joints & other bothers. I don't see anywhere near the > number of E46 M3s on the road as you did of the E36 M3s. More than price I > would guess this is probably due to the abscence of an auto tranny and maybe > refinement. I've read a few times about E46 M3 owners complaining about ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:21:12 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] M2 Look up info on the 2004 Lotus Elise. I test drove one a few weeks ago in UK trim. It was amazing. Granted it's not an everyday car, but it was nearly perfect if you're into spartan sports cars. marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] M2 This is the new BMW vehicle i am interested in as well. The "take good motor, chop off 2 cyls" worked great in the original M3. There's no reason to think it wont work now. Give me something the size of a miata that handles like a bmw, makes north of 200hp and 160ft/lbs, weighs under 2500lbs. Add a redline of at least 8000 rpm, 4.10 or better gears, and a 6 speed gearbox... The M2 is the car BMW NEEDS to make. Succeed the 2002 and the E30 M3 all with one vehicle that the enthusiasts will universally love. incidentally if you assume 333hp/268 trq for the S54, divide by 3.2 and multiply by 2.2, you get: 228hp, 184ftlbs. the closer to 2000 lbs the M2 is, the better (unless they're planning on making it < 2000 lbs :) Matt 88 M5 '07 M2 ? ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6617 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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