[uucdigest] Monday, August 4 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6625
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] How much would YOU ask for this car? <e28> & R12 Re: [uuc] Re: air condition NFG [uuc] Shop in Long Island [uuc] Re: rear shock mounts RE: [uuc] <E30> rear shock mounts [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series RE: [uuc] Air condition: NFG Re: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series Re: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series RE: [uuc] Air condition: NFG [uuc] <OT> Trailer tire question Re: [uuc] <OT> Trailer tire question Re: [uuc] Air condition: NFG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:31:36 -0500 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] How much would YOU ask for this car? <e28> & R12 http://www.cheap-tracks.com/bmw/index.htm I'm selling an '85 535i with 218,000 miles. I setup this site tonight to reference in ads and such. I show an asking price of $2875 on the site. Don't waste your breath telling me I'm nuts - I know that is high and I don't expect to get that for the car - however, it looks pretty good (IMHO) so I don't know how high I might be able to go without being unreasonable. I also don't want to "drop my pants" in front of a potential customer who may be on this list, so I'm not going to tell you what I need to get for it. Questions: Are the pictures too big / pages too slow for dialup users or folks with smaller monitors? That would apply to the multi-image pages as well as the large, single image pages. Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome. Anyone have an R12 system recharged lately? How much is it likely to cost? The last recharge was in the spring of 2000. It's weak now - adequate into the mid 80's. Please reply off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:49:21 -0700 From: Peter du Bois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: air condition NFG 1600.00 for a 134a conversion sounds way pricey - I bought a kit, installed the compressor then let an A/C shop flush the system, change O-rings and so forth. Total cost was about 750.00 All has been well for about 5 years. Peter du Bois - '87 325iS 250K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:56:11 -0700 From: Peter du Bois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Shop in Long Island Hi All, I need a recommendation for a shop - or dealer if that's the only alternative - to do a pre-purchase inspection on a '97 M3. Car is located near Haupauge. Thanks, Peter du Bois ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:26:16 -0700 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: rear shock mounts re: rear shock mounts: I've had good results using the latest E46 convertible mounts. They've lasted over twice as many miles as the original E36 mounts. Use of Bilstein or other high pressure style gas shocks can put more stress on the mount than low pressure types such as Koni. A mismatch between shock valving and spring rates can cause premature mount failure. For instance stock springs with Bilstein sports. Also driving regularly on ka thumpety slaptap concrete pavement slab seams like the 101 from SF down to San Jose will take out any rear shock mount in probably half the miles they would otherwise last. ymmv, but probably not. 'jk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:42:22 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E30> rear shock mounts Use the E46M3 shock mounts. Pretty good & cheap. I think they're like $12 ea. or something. Make sure they come with the paper gaskets (which shouldn't be extra). I have the same shocks with MUCH less agressive springs & mine have held up well......oh yea, the car gets THRASHED.... I don't really know if there's much performance to be gained with solid mounts, but I've seen the ground control mounts & they are nice. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Clarence Behrend [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] <E30> rear shock mounts > > > Would appreciate recommendations for rear shock mounts on my > '87 325is. > Car gets tracked 2-4times/year and driven aggressively. > Current suspension has H&R race > springs and Bilsteinsport shocks. > > Someone previously posted that even the OEM ones for the E46 (which > supposedly fit the E30??) aren't good for much. Ground > Control has a set > reasonably pricedw/a lifetime warranty. > > Need to replace mine w/in the next > week. > > TIA > > Clarence > West Bend, WI > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:27:05 -0400 From: "Zidlicky, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series Agreed and just as important is the lack of buyers for a used luxury model since one does not get the "cache" effect derived from buying one of these things new >From: John Miller > >With the big run-up in sales of high-end models over the past ten years, >there's just enormous numbers of them in the used market as well. This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:44:03 -0400 From: "Zidlicky, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Air condition: NFG you can probably find a used compressor for less than $200 ... beats the alternative of paying over $1k for a new one. conversion to 134a will run you $1k without the cost of the compressor. Peter '88 m3 '90 325ic >From: T WALROD > >Subject: 1989 325i w/ R12 system, Nipondenso compressor This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:01:39 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series Typically: 7-series depreciate faster than they should. 5-series depreciate rationally. 3-series retain more value than expected. Z3s never get sold, their owners want to keep them and buyers won't pay the prices offered. ;-) - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zidlicky, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series > Agreed and just as important is the lack of buyers for a used luxury model > since one does not get the "cache" effect derived from buying one of these > things new > > >From: John Miller > > > >With the big run-up in sales of high-end models over the past ten years, > >there's just enormous numbers of them in the used market as well. > > > > > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:16:38 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series One of the reasons MB, BMW, etc started the CPO plans was the trouble selling high-dollar used cars with little or no warranty. Who wants to spend $40-50k for a used car with no warranty? The cheaper the car the more willing someone is to take a chance. With all the extra gee-gaws on a 7 there is a lot of expensive stuff that can go wrong. Plus, folks that can afford $50k for a used car should be able to spring for a new one with much pain. Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd At 12:01 PM 08/04/2003 -0400, Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: >Typically: > >7-series depreciate faster than they should. >5-series depreciate rationally. >3-series retain more value than expected. >Z3s never get sold, their owners want to keep them and buyers won't pay the >prices offered. ;-) > >- Rob > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Zidlicky, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:27 AM >Subject: [uuc] Depreciation of 7-series > > > > Agreed and just as important is the lack of buyers for a used luxury model > > since one does not get the "cache" effect derived from buying one of these > > things new > > > > >From: John Miller > > > > > >With the big run-up in sales of high-end models over the past ten years, > > >there's just enormous numbers of them in the used market as well. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:45:09 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Air condition: NFG "Zidlicky, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you can probably find a used compressor for less than $200 ... > beats the alternative of paying over $1k for a new one. The last time I owned an E30 and was retrofitting R134a, new Nippendenso (sp?) compressors were in the $350 range. I did not need one since my old compressor was already R134a compatible: http://www.koalamotorsport.com/tech/misc/ac.htm > conversion to 134a will run you $1k without the cost of the compressor. That is grossly excessive. The retrofit kit costs under $100 from aftermarket sources and $250 from BMW itself. Add the cost of 2-3 hour of labor to complete the swap plus ~$35 for R134a (minus any credit for R12, that is if you have any left in the system), and the total job should cost between $250-450. I paid exactly $280 to a moonlighting BMW master tech to retrofit R134a on top of replacing the expansion valve and a leaky evaporator. YMMV. That brings up another point. It is a good idea to find why the R12 had leaked out in the first place. There is probably a leak somewhere in your 15+ year old AC system. It would be a good idea to find and fix it. good luck, alex f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:21:57 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Trailer tire question > As for a tire exploding during use, that's just one of the joys of > trailer ownership (along with intermittent lights). Since the > trailer is far removed from the tow vehicle and the tires are usually > more outboard of the tow vehicle, they're subject to a myriad of > debris that the tow vehicle doesn't encounter. Check your tires at > every stop - look for signs of damage and tread separation. Boy, no wonder trailering takes so long if you do it right. Getting out at every stop to check the trailer tires would take forever, especially in stop and go traffic. Yikes! ;-) Also, the pulling vehicle kicks up more debris and kicks up nails/screws which can find their way into the trailer tires. Boy, isn't that the truth about "that's just one of the joys of trailer ownership (along with intermittent lights)", it seems most trailers (be it boat, utility, whatever), have crappy electrical systems which always need troubleshooting. Regards, Rich - trailering comes second hand when growing up on a farm... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <OT> Trailer tire question I'm always happy when my trailer brakes and lights work 2x in a row!! In all seriousness, most trailer are built with click-lock connectors that aren't well suited for outdoor usage. The best thing to do with a new trailer is to find envery click-lock connector and replace it with a soldered connection. - --- "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boy, isn't that the truth about "that's just one of the joys of trailer ownership (along with intermittent lights)", it seems most trailers (be it boat, utility, whatever), have crappy electrical systems which always need troubleshooting. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:55:11 -0500 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Air condition: NFG I can second this. I had our second car's (87 MB 190e) AC system evacuated and recharged with R134 for ~$200 (don't have the bill handy, but that's ballpark). The "conversion" is just removing the R12, adding some adapter fittings to the fill and vent ports, and refilling w/ R134 and a lubricant. My shop said they've had good results running R134 through MB compressors designed for R12. The system certainly runs cold. - --SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >"Zidlicky, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>conversion to 134a will run you $1k without the cost of the compressor. >> >> > >That is grossly excessive. > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6625 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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