[uucdigest] Thursday, August 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6662
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[uuc] RE: Transmission tech [uuc] Re: (no, really) uucdigest V3 #6658 Re: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:47:00 -0400 From: "T. Andrew Egan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] ForSale_'99 ///M3 Coupe Group, I am selling my 1999 ///M3 Coupe. If you know anyone looking for a great example of a well kept, low mileage e36 M, please pass along my e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or feel free to give me a call: 484.437.7422. Car lives in West Chester, Pennsylvania. Also willing to make a trade for an e30 ///M3 or other select BMW cars. Home purchase requires downsizing.... Thanks, Andrew Details are as follows: 2-door, 5-speed, Cosmos Black Metallic/Black Leather, 10 spoke M wheels, M Rear Wing (factory), 6-disc trunk-mounted CD changer, Power Sunroof, Heated 10-way adjustable M Sport Seats, Traction Control, On-Board Computer, etc. The only modification was the CD changer. No accidents. Always been garaged, covered, used mainly on weekends or long trips. New Toyo Proxies and 30,000 mile service II. Just had PA state inspection. [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail for pics. - -32,000 miles, asking $29,000. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark J. Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? Howdy, I figure this is an old topic, so please feel free to point me in the direction of a resource or whatever... I need to get some 17x7.5 or 17x8 wheels for a '93 325is that I'm prepping for STX autox... I was wondering if there's a reference anywhere as to what the weights are for common wheels like the '95 m3 17x7.5's (both oem and replica), the later m3 front wheels (17x7.5 again I believe) etc. I'm looking for a lightweight, cheap, and decent looking wheel that doesn't require spacers (other than perhaps a hubcentric ring). Class rules limit me to an 8" width. As I understand it, I'll want something like a 40mm - 42mm offset to eliminate rubbing? I'll probably run the 245/xx-17 Kumho MX's for tires... Thanks! Sorry to bring up a topic that I'm sure gets raised all too much... :-/ Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Rough idle on '99 M3 - SOLUTION Group, I brought my '99 M3 (the subject of the original post) in to my local dealer to have the rough cold idle looked at, and apparently there was a TSB on this issue, requiring a software update. The dealer kept the car overnight to have another cold start opportunity and called me this morning to tell me it's smooth as glass now. If it's otherwise when I pick it up, I'll let you all know - as I will the dealer... HTH, Neil - --- m3 drvr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe I am seeing this also on my 98 M3 with 28k > miles on it. Anyone > have an answers? > > TIA > > > >From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [uuc] Rough idle on '99 M3 > >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:37:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Group, > > > >My 1999 M3 (23k miles) does a strange thing at cold > >startup. About 15 seconds after I start it, it > begins > >to run really rough, for about 20 seconds. The > idle > >does not visibly fluctuate, but the motor is > running > >so rough you can feel the car shaking. After the > 20 > >seconds or so, it's completely normal, and runs > great. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Neil > >1999 M3 > >1994 325is > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:39:10 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? They're not exactly light, and appearance is a matter of opinion, but I have 4 early E36 M3 wheels for $75 each. That fits the cheap part of your requirements, no? They're 17x7.5. Two are black, two are silver, none are in good cosmetic condition but I think they're all straight. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark J. Andy > I need to get some 17x7.5 or 17x8 wheels for a '93 325is that I'm prepping > for STX autox... > I was wondering if there's a reference anywhere as to what the weights are > for common wheels like the '95 m3 17x7.5's (both oem and replica), the > later m3 front wheels (17x7.5 again I believe) etc. > I'm looking for a lightweight, cheap, and decent looking wheel that > doesn't require spacers (other than perhaps a hubcentric ring). > Class rules limit me to an 8" width. As I understand it, I'll want > something like a 40mm - 42mm offset to eliminate rubbing? I'll probably > run the 245/xx-17 Kumho MX's for tires.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:43:11 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? Mark wrote: > I was wondering if there's a reference anywhere as to what the weights are > for common wheels like the '95 m3 17x7.5's (both oem and replica), the > later m3 front wheels (17x7.5 again I believe) etc. the best reference for stock wheel weights is the ETK, tho it is possible that the real-world weights could be slightly different. generically speaking factory 17" x 7.5" BMW wheels are going to be in the 19.5-22 pound range. aftermarket wheels are almost always going to be heavier than stock, especially in the replica styles. the forged E36 M3 wheels are not much lighter or heavier than the cast ones, but they're stronger being of a forged construction. > I'm looking for a lightweight, cheap, and decent looking wheel that > doesn't require spacers (other than perhaps a hubcentric ring). lightweight & cheap are usually mutually exclusive. appearance is completely subjective & may or may not be related to cost. SSR Comps are among the lightest wheels you can buy - sub 15 lb IIRC - but they're pricey. BBS RC's are my favorite and they come in a 17" x 8" w/38mm offset fitment which is just about perfect for E36'es AFAIK. as you probably know, the Tire Rack has a huge selection of wheels but they don't publish weights on their web site (but they do in their ads in the Roundel & GRM sometimes) but they may be able to provide them. Ben lots of wheels, almost none of them for E36'es... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:02:59 -0700 From: Kurt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? Although its not on their website, I believe that Evosport, www.evosport.com, just ordered a special run of 17"x8" Kosei K1s for the E36 M3. They should weigh in somewhere between the SSR Comps and the lightest stock BMW wheel. Kurt ben keyes wrote: >Mark wrote: > > > >>I was wondering if there's a reference anywhere as to what the weights are >>for common wheels like the '95 m3 17x7.5's (both oem and replica), the >>later m3 front wheels (17x7.5 again I believe) etc. >> >> > >the best reference for stock wheel weights is the ETK, tho it is possible >that the real-world weights could be slightly different. > >generically speaking factory 17" x 7.5" BMW wheels are going >to be in the 19.5-22 pound range. aftermarket wheels are almost >always going to be heavier than stock, especially in the replica >styles. the forged E36 M3 wheels are not much lighter or heavier >than the cast ones, but they're stronger being of a forged construction. > > > >>I'm looking for a lightweight, cheap, and decent looking wheel that >>doesn't require spacers (other than perhaps a hubcentric ring). >> >> > >lightweight & cheap are usually mutually exclusive. appearance is >completely subjective & may or may not be related to cost. > >SSR Comps are among the lightest wheels you can buy - sub >15 lb IIRC - but they're pricey. BBS RC's are my favorite >and they come in a 17" x 8" w/38mm offset fitment which is >just about perfect for E36'es AFAIK. > >as you probably know, the Tire Rack has a huge selection of wheels >but they don't publish weights on their web site (but they do in their >ads in the Roundel & GRM sometimes) but they may be able to >provide them. > > > >Ben >lots of wheels, almost none of them for E36'es... > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:02:16 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? At 01:59 PM 8/14/2003 -0400, Mark J. Andy wrote: >Howdy, Hi Mark, >I need to get some 17x7.5 or 17x8 wheels for a '93 325is that I'm prepping >for STX autox... > >I was wondering if there's a reference anywhere as to what the weights are >for common wheels like the '95 m3 17x7.5's (both oem and replica), the >later m3 front wheels (17x7.5 again I believe) etc. Stock 1995 M3 Wheels are about 21 pounds Stock 1996+ M3 front wheels are about 22 pounds OZ Superleggera 17x8 17.6 pounds $280 Tire Rack BBS RK's 17x8 16.5 pounds $288 Tire Rack SSR Comps 17x8 14.5 pounds $379 Tire Rack Josh Sirota and I use the OZ Superleggera on his E46 M3 in stock sizes and the seem like a light wheel that was relatively inexpensive, at least for BMW wheels. Too bad you can't use a 17x8.5 wheel, because the Kosei K1 meets all your requirements except for size. <http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RE&Category_Code=SPEC> I believe the Kosei K1 at one time may have been made in 17x8 size, but I am not 100% certain. You might try to find some used ones. There is a company called Rim Stock in the UK that makes a pretty light wheel that is inexpensive. A buddy of mine got his 15x7 wheels, that weigh 13.5 pounds, at $120 per wheel from them. The are the Pro Race 1 model. They might be able to custom machine a set of their 17x8 Pro Race 1 model for your BMW. <http://www.rimstock.com> Good luck with your STX project. - -- Rex Tener [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1996 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II Street-Mod Light (as in lightly modified) #173 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:21:24 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? TireRack has Kosei K1s for $199 these days. They're about 17lbs or so. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > as you probably know, the Tire Rack has a huge selection of wheels > but they don't publish weights on their web site (but they do in their > ads in the Roundel & GRM sometimes) but they may be able to > provide them. > > > > Ben > lots of wheels, almost none of them for E36'es... > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:16:21 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: Transmission tech >From recent C&D: http://www.torotrak.com/technology.html Interesting and elegant. I wonder what the fluid is and what loss occurs at the interface of the toroids? - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:20:33 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: (no, really) uucdigest V3 #6658 Dear digest, I wonder whether one (or some, or all) of you would be kind enough to forward me a copy of Digest #6658. I deleted it by mistake, the archives are a bit up and down at the moment, and I think there was some interesting stuff in there about strut braces and such. Thanks Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark J. Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 17" wheel options/weights? Howdy, On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, ben keyes wrote: > lightweight & cheap are usually mutually exclusive. appearance is > completely subjective & may or may not be related to cost. > > SSR Comps are among the lightest wheels you can buy - sub > 15 lb IIRC - but they're pricey. BBS RC's are my favorite > and they come in a 17" x 8" w/38mm offset fitment which is > just about perfect for E36'es AFAIK. Yeah, I really liked the BBS RK 17x8 that Tirerack lists at 16.5 lbs... Unfortuantely I'm not as hot on the $288/ea price... :-/ I was hoping to keep the cost somewhere around the $500 mark... The Wheel Exchange lists some M-Kontour replicas at 17x8, 40mm offset, and the guy on the phone says 22 lbs. $680 delivered. I'm also looking at some 17x7.5 OEM '95 M3 rims for closer to $500, but of course those are used (I'm not horrifically anal about wheel condition, but these will be street wheels as well so bad scrapes / discolorations are out, as is anything bent). I was kinda hoping there was a default "Everyone just buys these!" set of rims out there... :-) Mark ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6662 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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