[uucdigest] Monday, August 18 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6669
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[uuc] Re: Central Locking Question Re: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:37:10 -0400 From: "Josh Coltrane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Central Locking Question Yeah, I was at Chris. There was still a couple of months left on the warranty or I wouldn't have bothered at all. Thanks for Bowman suggestion though. Currently, my ability to do many things myself is limited by my condo parking-lot/no-garage situation, so lugging tools, jack stands, etc. out to a parking lot is a chore. I can do minor stuff like oil changes and brakes, but don't really want to tackle jobs bigger than that until I get something with a garage and a driveway of my own to spill stuff fluids in without being accosted by the neighbors. - -Josh - -----Original Message----- From: Robinson, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:44 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Central Locking Question Where did you go, Chris? That's the only one I can think of with an Infiniti dealer nearby. The dealers in Atlanta suck. If your car is out of warranty forget them--actually Hank Aaron is ok, but who wants to go all the way down there. IMHO, the best indy shop in Atlanta (there's a good one in Suwanee, but who wants to go up there either) is Bowman Motor Works. Near the Brookhaven Marta station, about 5 minutes up Peachtree from Lenox. Phil's a really good guy who doesn't BS. Everyone I've sent there has been happy. He'll beat the hell out of dealer pricing as well. I try to do all the work on my car myself (or with the help of friends), but if I were to get in over my head, I would go to Bowman--or ship it to Don F. or Brett A....... Infiniti is very well known for their excellent dealer service, which is supposed to be the best in the industry. I had one before & recommended one to a g.f. once. They are off the charts. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steve.Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Looking for non-BMW independent - North Reading, MA, USA area We've just moved to town and are looking for a reliable honest independent shop for general maintenance on the wife's 1995 Infiniti I30. Any suggestions? North Reading is about 15 miles due north of Boston, MA. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:43:28 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Central Locking Question Yea, I know your pain. I'm one of those tennants who's really a neighbor pleaser. Left my old POS (even REALLY looks like a POS) Saab on jackstands outside for, like 4 days, with the passenger side front wheel off. Of course, it wasn't my fault--it didn't run. I've only been in my new apartment for 4 weeks & my garage floor is pretty stained. I'm getting ready to go back to Ohio for some work, but if you need to do some work, drop me a line. If I'm in town you can use my garage--it's pretty big & I have a decent set of tools. I'm in Dunwoody. Additionally, there's a Taco Mac across the street, so good beer & hot wings are in sufficient supply...... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Coltrane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Central Locking Question > > > Yeah, I was at Chris. There was still a couple of months left on the > warranty or I wouldn't have bothered at all. Thanks for Bowman > suggestion though. > > Currently, my ability to do many things myself is limited by my condo > parking-lot/no-garage situation, so lugging tools, jack > stands, etc. out > to a parking lot is a chore. I can do minor stuff like oil > changes and > brakes, but don't really want to tackle jobs bigger than that until I > get something with a garage and a driveway of my own to spill stuff > fluids in without being accosted by the neighbors. > > -Josh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robinson, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:44 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Central Locking Question > > > Where did you go, Chris? That's the only one I can think of with an > Infiniti dealer nearby. The dealers in Atlanta suck. If your car is > out of > warranty forget them--actually Hank Aaron is ok, but who > wants to go all > the > way down there. > > IMHO, the best indy shop in Atlanta (there's a good one in > Suwanee, but > who > wants to go up there either) is Bowman Motor Works. Near the > Brookhaven > Marta station, about 5 minutes up Peachtree from Lenox. > Phil's a really > good guy who doesn't BS. Everyone I've sent there has been happy. > He'll > beat the hell out of dealer pricing as well. I try to do all the work > on my > car myself (or with the help of friends), but if I were to get in over > my > head, I would go to Bowman--or ship it to Don F. or Brett A....... > > Infiniti is very well known for their excellent dealer > service, which is > supposed to be the best in the industry. I had one before & > recommended > one > to a g.f. once. They are off the charts. > > Lee > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:10:37 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? Thanks, Mike, Marco, and Scott. The GGC program sounds/looks just right. But it appears that GGC requires BMW CCA membership. And you must have a BMW to participate (unless your Bimmer is in the shop). Unfortunately, she fails on both accounts. I could *try* to convince my friend to become a member, but buy a new car, not likely. Many people have an automatic aversion to becoming a member in order to take part in an activity. Given that neither of them owns a BMW, convincing him to become a CCA member is not a slamdunk. If that is the only option, I'll suggest it to him. But I HAVE to believe there are other similar courses available out there. Perhaps there is a website that lists various courses in Calif. or nationally? An Acura group? A regular Skip Barber, Bondurant, etc. school is probably more than he is looking for. However, I'll mention the Russell at Sears Point and Barber at Laguna Seca schools as options to explore. It sounds like they may have something that is a step or two below their regular courses. Anybody have a website specific to those locations for either? Or should I just find the main website for each organzation? BTW Mike, I am a "right" coaster. My good friend relocated the "left" coast after grad school. I'm a staunch "right" coaster, though I have no doubt that other coast is wonderful too. Stan - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? > Stan, tell your friend to join the BMW CCA and take the Golden Gate > Chapter's Car Control Clinic. Of course, they do have a "BMWs First" > policy. But other than possibly having to buy a BMW, it is about the most > cost-effective way to get such instruction. > > All of the professional race schools offer a non-track one-day course like > you mentioned, but the cost is very high. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA ================================================================ > > > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? > > Hi Fellow Californian, > > The GGC BMW club has a Car Control Clinic. You can > find it on www.ggc-bmw-cca.org. I attended a couple > of them a couple years ago, and I learned a lot every > time I went. And it is geared towards preparing you > for emergency street maneuvers. Best of all, it is > pretty cheap compared to the bondurant, russel, etc.. > racing schools. > > Or if your not like me (=cheap)... Russel racing > school at Sears Point has some sort of highway > survival course. Or Skip Barber at laguna seca has > something similar, too. > > Mike ================================================================ > > > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:29:16 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? > > http://www.ggc-bmw-cca.org/DrivingEvents/CarControl/Overview.htm > > If he or she is a BMW CCA member the Acura will be welcome. > > Marco > > - -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stan Jackson Jr. > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? > > > Hey Californians, > > A very good friend of mine is searching for a "defensive driving school" in > the Bay Area for his girlfriend-very-soon-to-be-wife. Specifically, they > live in Menlo Park. As for exactly what kind of school, I would definitely > say not something with track time. In his words: > > "I'm looking for something that will teach her to drive smarter but have > enough orange cones so that she does not feel condescended or bored." > > She drives an Acura 3.2TL. Any suggestions appreciated. > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:10:46 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? Kevin, Which "highway survival course? The GGC car control clinic? Stan > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:47:33 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? > > Stan, > > Last year I had my daughter take the "highway survival course". I thought it was well worth it and so did she. > > - -Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:42 -0400 > >From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? > > > >Hey Californians, > > > >A very good friend of mine is searching for a "defensive driving school" > in > >the Bay Area for his girlfriend-very-soon-to-be-wife. Specifically, they > >live in Menlo Park. As for exactly what kind of school, I would > definitely > >say not something with track time. In his words: > > > >"I'm looking for something that will teach her to drive smarter but have > >enough orange cones so that she does not feel condescended or bored." > > > >She drives an Acura 3.2TL. Any suggestions appreciated. > > > >Stan > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:20:18 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Central Locking Question on 8/18/03 8:44 AM, "Josh Coltrane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hesitated to bring up the dealer part too, as I didn't want my first > post to stir up problems and/or be whiney. I was in shock when I was > quoted $179, and when I pressed him on it, his response was "well, the > tech has to take the wheel off". :( To which the appropriate response would be, "What, do you take your customers for, complete freakin' morons?? Oh wait a minute, you've already made that abundantly clear." History shows that when people complain to BMW about this sort of treatment at dealers, they either get no response or are told that dealers are independent businesses over whom BMW has no control. This is true right up to the last point. In fact the manufacturer sets the standard for its dealers, and enforces them. Or at least it can if it chooses to do so. It's no accident that people report such good experiences at Infiniti or Lexus dealers, or such mixed results at BMW dealers. > glow-in-the-dark windshield washer nozzles. Ooh ooh! Where can I get some of those?! ;) Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:12:17 -0500 From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Defensive Driving School in the Bay Area? <snip> GGC program sounds/looks just right. > But it appears that GGC requires BMW CCA membership. And you must have a > BMW to participate (unless your Bimmer is in the shop). Unfortunately, she > fails on both accounts. I could *try* to convince my friend to become a > member, but buy a new car, not likely. Many people have an automatic > aversion to becoming a member in order to take part in an activity. Given > that neither of them owns a BMW, convincing him to become a CCA member is > not a slamdunk. > ____________________________ Stan, Membership in BMW CCA can be most enjoyable for any gearhead regardless of what he/she drives. The Roundel (club magazine) is one of the finest automotive pubs available and is often quoted in commercial car mags. I'm not sure if it still holds true but Skip Barber used to offer a course that should be geared in the direction that you want to go. Many CCA chapters open their schools to other brands and non memberson a space available basis. Good luck finding the right school. It is, in my opinion a good move to take such a course. 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