[uucdigest] Wednesday, August 20 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6680
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question RE: [uuc] Spam-er, marketing e-mail from BMW NA [uuc] Re: Fw: E30 Brake Switch Re: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question [uuc] BMW wheels [uuc] I6 [uuc] I6s vs V6s Re: [uuc] I6s vs V6s Re: [uuc] BMW wheels [uuc] Enthusiastic dealers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:50 -0700 From: "tony colicchio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question Everyone can stop typing, we have an award for email of the week. :) - -Tony TC Design >-So, Lee, >If you do your assigned full-time job in fewer than 40 hours/week for >which you get paid, how do YOU reimburse your company for the time you've >been writing emails to this list? alex f ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:57:04 -0700 From: "Grant Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question > So, Lee, > If you do your assigned full-time job in fewer than 40 hours/week for > which you get paid, how do YOU reimburse your company for the > time you've > been writing emails to this list? > > alex f I'm not Lee, but.. The short answer is "no". Paying book rates are akin to working for a salary. You get paid the same whether you work 20 hours or 60 hours in a given week. A mechanic would get paid the same if it took him 5 minutes or 5 hours to change your oil. In this case, the difference is that a mechanic would be able to do multiple "jobs" in one week whereas your standard salaried worker works exactly one "job". There are many pros and cons to salary vs. hourly wage, but that's a discussion for another list. Grant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Spam-er, marketing e-mail from BMW NA The answer is why bother to mareket a product that sells itself;) Joe - --------------- Thanks for all of the responses. But no one addressed the main thrust of my post (Andrew did point out that Canada has the 320i), which was that BMW is promoting its "legendary" inline-6 motors but totally left out the larger displacement one in the M3.... vty, - - --Dennis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:14:21 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Fw: E30 Brake Switch Mine went intermittant for a few days, then went back to working before I could replace it. That was about 3 months ago. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i had intermittant brake light switch once 1991 325iA no problems with brake light switch but still has intermittant bzzt bzzt bzzt under the left side of the dash, investigation pending but probably isn't the brake light switch >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:35:36 -0400 >From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Fw: E30 Brake Switch > >I received no reponses, so I'll try this again. Is it typical for these >things to act up a bit before failing completely? > >Stan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:37:35 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question This is heart of the matter. The mechanic has a 'bidness to run and he charges the price he quoted you. Doesn't matter how he determines that price. You go in with a broke car and ask how much to fix it. After figuring out what's wrong he gives you the price. How he sets the price, flat rate book, experience, FWAG is his business. If you agree the price is fair you have him do it. The cost of manufacture of a good or the cost of supplying a service has no (direct) relationship to it's price in the marketplace. Work done on most of my cars is by price quote for the job. A lot of shops just quote flat rate and let it go at that, others adjust for known variables it doesn't matter how they got to the price they quote, I either agree or don't and shop somewhere else. On my Volvo 1800ES, most of the work I have done by my shop is "Time and Material" only because the flat rate book doesn't work for cars 30 years old with parts that are NLA. Trust me, flat rate is better.............. Bill Matthews Too many fookin' cars - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To > My experience is that the vast majority of dealers charge book rate. > > It seems to me this is like the discussion I had with someone the other > day about restaurants charging a massive markup on pop (or soda, if you > prefer). Yes, they do charge a couple bucks for ten cents worth of pop. > However, they are working to a bottom line. If they charge less for > pop, they'll just charge more for food. > > There's a local independent that charges actual hours. They do good > work. They are anything but cheap. I have a feeling if they charged > book rate, it would end up working out pretty much the same in the end. > Hourly rates, disposal fees, etc., can all be tweaked to get where you > want to be. > > Chris B. > '94 325i <---- I'll fix it myself, thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robinson, Lee > > Where I come from we call this stealing. Sorry, if you can do the job > in > less than the book hours, you shouldn't charge book hours. To do so is > just > not being a decent person. If you take longer than book hours, there > should > be one of two choices. Either the job took longer than book hours > because > of the condition of the car or something else you found wrong, or you > took > longer because you are not proficient enough at the task. In the first > case, the customer should be charged & in the second, the customer > should > not be charged. > > <snip> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:25:40 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question By working LOTS of overtime during the duration of projects for straight time while the company is paid 1.5 or 2x the standard rate. Currently, I'm just overhead. In a couple of weeks, you'll see the e-mail from me drop off considerably. Don't fret, they get much more out of me than vice-versa. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Robinson, Lee > Subject: RE: [uuc] Book repair charges - WAS Central Locking Question > > > "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where I come from we call this stealing. Sorry, if you can > do the job > > in less than the book hours, you shouldn't charge book > hours. To do > > so is just not being a decent person. > > So, Lee, > If you do your assigned full-time job in fewer than 40 hours/week for > which you get paid, how do YOU reimburse your company for the > time you've > been writing emails to this list? > > alex f > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:50:47 -0400 From: "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW wheels Folks, I have come across a set of wheels and I don't know what car they might have come off. Here are the details: BBS manufactured, cast (I don't believe they are forged) with a BMW Roundel and BBS lettering Aluminum basket-weave pattern, 1-piece. 5 bolt ET22 offset 14" diameter 6.5" width Stamped/cast numbers: 1118772 6 1/2 J x 14H2-B Anyone know what they came off? These are of the same 'style' as e30 325is wheels, but they are 5-lug and don't have the same center cap style. Might they be from a 5-er or an older coupe? Anyone? Thanks, Chet Dawes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:17:32 -0700 From: Matt Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] I6 Lots of the hiperf JDM vehicles use the I6. The supra is of course the legendary 2JZ-GTE (3L straight six, twin turbo, good for > 800hp on stock internals, over 1000 on the stock bottom end), the Skyline RB26DETT is a 2.6L straigh six twin turbo. The IS300 is a NA, VVT-i version of the 2JZ (supra) motor. The IS300 is an extremely successful e46 clone/competitor. 10 less hp, lexus reliability/service quality, and a few thousand dollars less. I'm really thinking i need to register straightsixforever.com or something along those lines, as fewer and fewer BMWs seem to have them :/ Matt S38B35 M30B28 (RIP) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:18:05 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] I6s vs V6s Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "I was thinking about MB and Jaguar dropping their I-6s, sacrificing the inherent smoothness of the inline design for the packaging efficiency of the Vee design." Mercedes and Jaguar dropped their bespoke straight sixes in favour of modular V6s, in Jaguar's case a Ford-based V6. The change for Jaguar was probably for the better; for Mercedes, worse. BMW's straight six diesels have proved that it's possible to make a diesel sound as good as a petrol, as the basics for the right soundtrack are all there. The popular opinion is that the diesel inline six sounds just like a petrol six played through a Marshall amp. To respond to Dennis's point, I can't say why BMW omitted the M3's engine from its blurb. Perhaps M3 owners get their own special brand of spaM. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:38:12 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] I6s vs V6s Andrew Thomas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mercedes and Jaguar dropped their bespoke straight sixes in favour of > modular V6s, in Jaguar's case a Ford-based V6. The change for Jaguar was > probably for the better; for Mercedes, worse. Eeee, I don't know. I instructed for a student in a 3.0L Jaguar X-Type at the last BMW CCA GGC school at Thunderhill. Really nice little car, and the AWD was a big win in the rain, but the motor sounded exactly like something out of a low-end Taurus. Not Jaguar-like at all. With a nice smooth 6, that would be a kick-ass little car. Not a 3-series, of course, but then it's not really trying to be. It's a Jaguar. - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW wheels Google search of "BMW 1118772" pulled this up Allegedly from a 1982 528e http://www.wheelcollision.com/bmw3.htm ain't the internet cool. - --- "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks, > I have come across a set of wheels and I don't know > what car they might > have come off. > Here are the details: > > BBS manufactured, cast (I don't believe they are > forged) with a BMW > Roundel and BBS lettering > Aluminum basket-weave pattern, 1-piece. > 5 bolt > ET22 offset > 14" diameter > 6.5" width > Stamped/cast numbers: > 1118772 > 6 1/2 J x 14H2-B > > Anyone know what they came off? > These are of the same 'style' as e30 325is wheels, > but they are 5-lug > and don't have the same center cap style. Might > they be from a 5-er or > an older coupe? > Anyone? > > Thanks, > Chet Dawes > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:03:28 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Enthusiastic dealers Having been less charitable than I could be about city-based dealers, I was pleased to discover that Park West BMW (covering outer west London) is staffed by BMW fanatics. Its service facility is large and impersonal but the service agents and technicians are real car nuts. At least a couple of them seem to be retrofit experts, although John please note your position is quite safe :). I had gone in for a diagnosis on a very low-frequency vibration, which turned out to be bad wheel balance. The dealership covered the modest re-balance costs under warranty, although needn't have (some of the wheels are, to my shame, already a little scuffed). An enquiry about the retro-fitment of an OBC to my poverty 3er brought out a small army of technicians, all offering inside tips on airbag removal, safety precautions and other suggestions for successful spannering. I left with a warm and fuzzy feeling. So any Londoners on this list who are happily resigned to the high labour costs, go there and ask for Jeremy at the service desk and/or Harry in the workshop. Interestingly there were a number of US and Far East imports there being converted to UK spec (foglights and so forth). I also saw the inner guts of an X5 being repaired following an electrical fire. Yikes. Andy T ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6680 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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