[uucdigest] Thursday, August 21 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6682
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Book repair charges Re: [uuc] Book repair charges [uuc] Was: 6 cyl roll call, now subtle "M" joke [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question Re: [uuc] RE: M30 valve noise Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question [uuc] Euro HFM Cold Air Intake Impressions and Questions RE: [uuc] BMW wheels Re: [uuc] slightly OT: autocross workers Re: [uuc] Re: Inline 6es in the mini ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:03:56 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Book repair charges Lee, So what you are telling us is that it really does not matter what skill level the technician, or mechanic may be the case, has as long as the job gets done. Do you really care about the quality of work on your braking system? Am I to be penalized for owning 100K plus worth of special tools to help me speed up my labor times? What about the knowledge of other systems and problems with the car. Should I just do the repair procedure "by the book" which usually requires spending hours worth of diagnosis when I have already fixed this problem many, many times? Are you telling me that you don't mind paying some basic mechanic 5 hours worth of time to fix something that may take me 10 minutes. I may actually charge you an hour, but he will charge you 5 just for looking and potentially finding nothing. I have never followed the train of thought that you are coming from. I don't even understand how you could come about that thought process. Doctors charge flat rates for surgeries that they do and not hourly rates. How do you feel about a doctor charging you $2500 to do a surgery that took 15 minutes? Should he be penalized for being proficient too? I will tell you that I have had this conversation about 10 times in 13 years. Those people no longer own european cars because they could no longer find ANYONE to work on them competently. Is this what is going to happen to you? I hope not. The BOOK by the way is very generous on some times and very stingy on others. It all works out in the end. Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:08:14 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Book repair charges Do any of the professionals on this list actually charge REAL time? If so, by what factor did you raise your labor rates? X2, X3, X4? I had this conversation with one of my FORMER clients and he told me that if I wanted to continue to do business with him I had to charge real time. He even offered for me to double my actual labor rate and charge him real time. He ended up selling his car about one month after our conversation. Hhhmmmm. I wonder if it had something to do with a few phone calls by me on his behalf??? I will never know, because now he drives a Chevrolet, and pays flat rate at the local dealer! :) Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Was: 6 cyl roll call, now subtle "M" joke "Perhaps M3 owners get their own special brand of spaM. Andy T" Pretty good one, Andy. Betcha thought no one caught it. Jon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:34:54 -0400 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question A question from my wife's coworker. He has a 2002 M3 with ~12K miles which is consuming a quart a month. No oil on the ground. No leaks. The dealer says it is normal and the consumption should go down. The dealership says they did a pressure test but I don't exactly trust this dealer. They do not have a good reputation. His VIN is after the engine recall. No extenuating circumstances, ie, track. Normal? - -- ...steven 1996 328ti 2003 MCS Ofest caravan http://www.happytogether.com/unofficialofest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: M30 valve noise If I recall correctly what my friend told me a few weeks ago, he said Jim Rowe of Metric Mechanic told him to adjust the valves a hair tighter than BMW's recommendation. It's safe to do, it keeps them quieter, and the car just runs better that way. Yes, this is some he-said she-said stuff, but the friend that told me this has never done me wrong, and I think we can all agree that the guys at MM know what they're talking about. Brad Couvillon '85 Euro 535i <-- Has put on 9,000 miles since purchase in April and badly needs a valve adjustment! www.fatdaddybmw.com - --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are the valves on an M30 expected to remain claccity > even after warm up if adjusted to 14thousands? I may > have to re-do them. I'm > thinking I didn't get to the lowest point on the > circle on one or two. > Also the weather was very hot (in the 90's) and I > wonder if backing down to 0.012 or 0.013 would have > been appropriate on a cold > motor. > > -Kevin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:17:41 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question Steven Schlossman wrote: > Normal? yes. the recent M5 & M3 engines are known to use (burn, w/o smoke I guess) a good bit of oil. some more than others. alternatively take the car to another dealer. there's got to be tons of them in the DC area, right ? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:40:42 -0700 From: "Frank & Kirsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Euro HFM Cold Air Intake Impressions and Questions I've cross-posted this message because a few people from the different digests have given me information or sold me a part related to my fabricating my own Euro HFM CAI setup. So, I have some impressions, information and a couple of questions. First the impression from driving this new setup is everything positive that I have heard from fellow M3 enthusiasts. The power gain is nice and the sound is very appealing. Normal sound until you stomp the pedal, and then it really tells you that the car is breathing. I had a standard hop-up JC chip with no other mods, so the jump to this setup was not the total wow factor some have experienced, but I am very happy with it. It is quite impressive to feel the temperature difference between touching the intake head shield and say the cruise control or fender well area behind the shield. While sourcing parts for this setup, I bought a JC Euro HFM chip off a fellow lister. This chip was dated 1998 and this is an important fact because the JC chip I was using is dated 2000 and was in the car when I purchased it. So, I swapped the chips and the car would not start. I thought maybe, possibly, I reversed the HFM chip, but still no start for the car. So, I put the original in and it started right up. I thought maybe I fried the HFM chip by running it backwards. So, I called Turner Motorsports and a fellow named Drew set me straight. He informed me that you can not fry the chip by reversing it, and proceeded to ask me if I had the encrypted board for the HFM chip. To make a long story short, the chip that was in my car when I bought it has a little piggy-back encryption board that goes along with the chip, and the chip I bought for the HFM set up did not use one. So, when I removed the encryption board, the HFM chip started right up and the car has been running great. I want to tell you that Drew and Turner did an excellent job explaining what the problem could be, and I really appreciate the information he shared. For many businesses, it would be easy to say you are screwed and sell you a new chip. I'm very glad Turner Motorsports has excellent customer sales and service. So, if you are buying a used chip from someone, be aware that it may OR may not require an encryption board for it to work in the DME. Oh yeah, all those little tabs that hold the DME cover broke. That sucked, but I was told that they really are not necessary and that you can not get a replacement cover. So, I guess I'm not going to worry about that since it seem pretty well sealed up in the fire-wall. My question is what have you people running CAI setups done with the air temperature sensor that valves coolant to the throttle body(it used to reside in the stock air box)? Bypassed the valve, or reinstalled on the other side of the heat shield? I took it off and used a barb to connect the two coolant lines and plugged up the ports on the throttle body. Did I do a no, no? What about that damn carbon canister that is used for the venting of fuel vapors? What could be the negatives if that 'fell off' and the throttle body port was just plugged up (hypothetically speaking)? I went with the ITG filter, is the regular maintenance cycle for cleaning this about the same as an oil change(approx 4K miles)? Thanks for all the information and help on this and many other topics. Frank 1995 M3 now with Euro HFM and CAI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:31:25 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] BMW wheels Tim is correct. It was available on E12, E23, E24 and E28. Full part number is 36 11 1 118 772 Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chet.dawes > Folks, > I have come across a set of wheels and I don't know what car they might > have come off. > Here are the details: > Stamped/cast numbers: > 1118772 > 6 1/2 J x 14H2-B > Anyone know what they came off? > These are of the same 'style' as e30 325is wheels, but they are 5-lug > and don't have the same center cap style. Might they be from a 5-er or > an older coupe? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:34:29 -0600 From: "Bob Sutterfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] slightly OT: autocross workers Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > any suggestions as to how to get enough workers for the > entire day??? what kinds of strategies do you folks use in > your area??? Here are some suggestions from the discussion a couple of years ago in our chapter's email forum when our autox program was just beginning and the etiquette wasn't as well understood: (1) Inflate the event registration fee by $20, and call it a refundable deposit. Bring a cash box to the event, full of nice crisp new $20 bills. Hand them out after the awards ceremony. This requires minimal bookkeeping, just a clipboard with a checklist of everyone who has paid, to ensure each participant the right number of $20 bills (one) back at the end of the day. If $20 isn't enough, use a $50 deposit instead. Any unclaimed money left in the cash box buys pizza and beer for event organizers. (2) Perhaps taking car keys would be another way!! Maybe you have to turn in your drivers license before you can run and not get it back until the last run group has gone. (3) Refuse entry at succeeding events if someone bails on their work assignment. (4) We [SCCA] do run across the occasional one-timer (usually a novice) who goes AWOL early, but we try to schedule the Novice Class to work before they run and we rarely face a serious shortage. The only modification to Bob's plan I'd offer for consideration is to award maybe $10 of the $20 "worker deposit" to the volunteer who steps in to work an *extra* shift to cover the desertee's behind. Heck, give 'em all $20 if necessary, but at least you'd be more likely to have a full regimen of workers at the ready. Then, if there's anything left over, spend it on pizza and beer. - -- Bob Sutterfield '87 E30 325iS http://bmwe30.net #1129 DAS KAR '88 E28 535iS http://m535i.org #154 IHR FUNF '93 T4 EV MV Weekender BELUGA BMWCCA #169277 Rocky Mountain Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:27:48 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Inline 6es in the mini so the question is..... Front or rear drive? Jon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Inline 6es in the mini > KMS - Brett Anderson wrote: > > > It's been done. www.koalamotorsport.com/misc/mini.htm > > > > Not by me, just found the photos somewhere. > > they're Dutch or Belgian, I forget which one. the > car was done sometime early last year, not too long after > the Mini first came out. races in an (obviously) run-what-ya- > brung kind of series. > > > Ben > 2 engine swaps someday when I get off my ass & work on > the cars... ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6682 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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