[uucdigest] Friday, September 12 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6746
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Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] CCA Discounts for Businesses? <communist rants> Their inferior financial system seems to work in their favor as per my previous post. The most successful businesses are in free trade zones with brand new infrastructure and state-of-the-art facilities. They are also partially if not wholly owned by foreign enterprises who are going to China for the low cost labor and other advantages mentioned. The traditional Chinese owned businesses are not the big threat because they tend to meet the stereotype - dirt floor, poor working condition, unskilled workforce, crappy product. The new operations supporting things like the automotive industry are not like that - couldn't get away with it. Chris B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [uuc] CCA Discounts for Businesses? <communist rants> > Jamie, you seem to think that the Chinese have all the advantages. They > don't. The US has a superior financial system, better infrastructure, and > much less bribery/kickbacks/payoffs. <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:54:58 -0700 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] CCA Discounts for Businesses? Based upon some of the posts, replies, and rants on this subject, it is very obvious some of those folks never participated in an Economics course in school. Or they slept through it and cheated on the exam. Sheesh! :-) Steve Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:55:05 -0700 From: Erick Baumeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] CCA Discounts for Businesses? Getting even more off topic here, but here goes: Ed, it was a little different than you describe below. As an AT&T service rep in the 80s, here's my spin on it. The long distance rates were, historically, artificially high, both for business and residence, in order to subsidize local dial tone basic service. This pricing practice dates to the early part of the century, and was instrumental in getting phone service into nearly every household in America. And it worked. Remember leasing your home phone? It's amazing that both practices survived until the late 80s. For a modern day equivalent, just look to the satellite & cable TV industry. Little to no up-front cost, they're banking on your wanting extra channels and in extra rooms. Your phone didn't cost much unless you actually used it. Erick Baumeister Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > Subject: Re: [uuc] CCA Discounts for Businesses? > > Rob, > > I lost the election. I didn't use whitewash and varnish. > > My phone service (office and home) is much better than ever in the 70s > and 80s. I don't pay for services I don't need or pay extra for those > that are built in (like Bell charging for touch tone long after all > their switches were exclusively touch tone). > > Interesting observations regarding comparison of your business to Ma > Bell. Ma Bell always let home subscribers subsidize the more expensive > to provide business service. The new telecom suppliers can't for > competition and bargain conscious consumers won't permit it. Plus > disclosure laws require it to be revealed now. The post office is still > doing the same thing, letting individuals subsidize business mailings. > That too will stop. > <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:46:41 -0700 From: "Steve Poland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] e28 power steering gruppe: At 234,000 miles a few things begin to show age. My '88 535is Power Steering has occasionally had an apparent momentary loss of assist, during parking maneuvering (ie at idle), especially if I turn the wheel particularly fast. Whenever I've taken it in and had it "checked out" all they've ever come up with is to tighten the belt. In my experience this hasn't really been the problem, as it didn't ever belt squeel before adjusting, and the loss of boost still happens. More recently the system has seems down on assist during much longer periods, so I had it looked at again and told the shop to replace the reservoir filter. That didn't seem to resolve anything, but the system did begin to drip onto the pavement. I have not been able to determine if the drip is from the hose to reservoir connection, leaking through the hose, or leaking out of the pully shaft at the pump. I've ordered new hoses, in the hope of eliminating at least the leak problem before replacing the pump. The system has started to have slight vibrations into the steering wheel and when it's cold, some noticeable pump pressure stress noises (not belt squeel). So last night, I opened the reservoir to replace the filter again, presuming that something had clogged it again and it was not passing adequate fluid. I found that the circlip holding down the pressure relief spring over the filter retaining cap had slipped out of its groove, and the cap was not aligned with the filter. I'm assuming that this would completely relieve any backpressure at the filter, so I'm mystified as to how this would result in more noise, vibration, and reduced assist. I put it back together with a bit of crimp to tighten the circlip, and now the noise and vibration is greatly reduced. I also added an official rolled edge BMW screw type hose clamp below the sheet metal band thing on the hose to the side of the reservoir, and sprayed down everything with brake cleaner to better detect fresh fluid. Tonight I have discovered that the fluid may be leaking somewhere in between the grill and the radiator near the driver side of the radiator. Bently doesn't indicate anything about this, but two metal tubes carry this ATF forward from the reservoir to this concealed area, then back to the steering box apparently. To top it all off, my computer is in the shop recovering from my son's Kazaa activity, and I can't seem to install the Teilekatalog on this laptop. So my questions: 1. What the heck is happening behind the grill that would be leaking ATF from the power steering pressure system? Is it something easily replaceable? 2. Why would the system be in more distress with the filter cap askew, releiving pressure, that with it properly in place? 3. Does the backpressure of forcing the fluid through the filter actually help maintain the operating pressure in the system? Mystified Steve Poland Portland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:03:21 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] CCA Discounts for Businesses? > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob Levinson > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:50 PM > > Welcome to basic capitalist theory. A retailer gets a discount > because he is saving me money when he buys bulk quantities - I don't > have the expenses of time processing individual customer orders, > advertising to reach those customers, facilities to install for those > customers, warehousing for that product, and many other savings. My > cost to profit ratio is effectively the same, yet my total exposure > and volume increases. The retailer is trading me his services for a > discount on the product. I get money from him and savings in time > and expenses on my end. It all works out to everyone's mutual > benefit - including the customer. The end customer pays roughly the > same thing from the dealer (sometimes less!) and has a qualified > installer local to him. That retailer is providing a valuable > service to you that I simply cannot due to distance. This practice, > which costs no customer any additional money compared to when I had > no dealers, is a value-added service born of the efficiencies of a > dealer network. When viewed that way, my argument picks up a hell of > a lot of steam. LOL, when I decided it was time for a UUC short shifter for the M Geezemobile 2+ years ago I talked to Rob via e-mail about which one would be best for my car. But I didn't call Rob to buy it, I went down the street to ERT and asked them to quote me a price for the shifter and installation. So when I showed up at ERT, Dale showed me around their shop, took me to the other side of the building and showed me Alfred duPont's operation and all the Speedvision cars, showed me the dyno and quoted me a price, list for the shifter and a decent installation price. As I'm leaving he comes out to look over my car and notices the "Charter Member UUCdigest" sticker on the window. He says, "I didn't know you were on the Digest, why didn't you say something?" Instant discount. And when I go back for the install I get more tour, get to meet Alfred, get to watch some sort of Frankenmonster 1000+ horsepower turbo charged alcohol fuel "pro stock" dragster do dyno runs and enjoy some not to be repeated conversations with everybody. Now that's value-added distribution. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze some Volvos other cars ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:21:53 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] e28 power steering There is a cooling loop in front of the radiator. Just a tube. The hose probably leaks where it is attached, or possibly the tube has corroded. The filter is on the suction side of the pump. I don't know why it works better with the filter in place, but it could be coincidence. The steering pump also operates the power brakes. Perhaps there is a connection there. Do the brakes boost properly all the time? You are describing a loss of flow problem. There could be a messed up valve in the pump, or one of the hoses could have an internal blockage. Gary Derian > gruppe: > > At 234,000 miles a few things begin to show age. My '88 535is Power > Steering has occasionally had an apparent momentary loss of assist, during > parking maneuvering (ie at idle), especially if I turn the wheel > particularly fast. Whenever I've taken it in and had it "checked out" all > they've ever come up with is to tighten the belt. In my experience this > hasn't really been the problem, as it didn't ever belt squeel before > adjusting, and the loss of boost still happens. > > More recently the system has seems down on assist during much longer > periods, so I had it looked at again and told the shop to replace the > reservoir filter. That didn't seem to resolve anything, but the system did > begin to drip onto the pavement. I have not been able to determine if the > drip is from the hose to reservoir connection, leaking through the hose, or > leaking out of the pully shaft at the pump. I've ordered new hoses, in the > hope of eliminating at least the leak problem before replacing the pump. > The system has started to have slight vibrations into the steering wheel and > when it's cold, some noticeable pump pressure stress noises (not belt > squeel). > > So last night, I opened the reservoir to replace the filter again, presuming > that something had clogged it again and it was not passing adequate fluid. > I found that the circlip holding down the pressure relief spring over the > filter retaining cap had slipped out of its groove, and the cap was not > aligned with the filter. I'm assuming that this would completely relieve > any backpressure at the filter, so I'm mystified as to how this would result > in more noise, vibration, and reduced assist. I put it back together with a > bit of crimp to tighten the circlip, and now the noise and vibration is > greatly reduced. I also added an official rolled edge BMW screw type hose > clamp below the sheet metal band thing on the hose to the side of the > reservoir, and sprayed down everything with brake cleaner to better detect > fresh fluid. > > Tonight I have discovered that the fluid may be leaking somewhere in between > the grill and the radiator near the driver side of the radiator. Bently > doesn't indicate anything about this, but two metal tubes carry this ATF > forward from the reservoir to this concealed area, then back to the steering > box apparently. > > To top it all off, my computer is in the shop recovering from my son's Kazaa > activity, and I can't seem to install the Teilekatalog on this laptop. So > my questions: > > 1. What the heck is happening behind the grill that would be leaking ATF > from the power steering pressure system? Is it something easily > replaceable? > > 2. Why would the system be in more distress with the filter cap askew, > releiving pressure, that with it properly in place? > > 3. Does the backpressure of forcing the fluid through the filter actually > help maintain the operating pressure in the system? > > Mystified > Steve Poland > Portland, OR > > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6746 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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