[uucdigest] Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6815
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RE: [uuc] [UUC] E30 vs E36 vs E39? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:29:24 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Z4 tranny questions Ben White wrote: > 1. Who manufactures these two transmissions? ZF or GM? Are the same > transmissions used in the 2.5 and 3.0 liter cars? for the Z4 & the E46 (and I suspect the new 5 as well) ZF makes the gearsets and Magneti Marelli does the hydraulic/electronic controls. for the M3 (and the new M5 when it comes out one would assume) the gearbox is from Getrag & the SMG-specific controls are from Siemans. a quick google search indicates that the 5 speed auto used in the Z4 is also a ZF manufactured 'box. when you shift for yourself, the 6 speed manual is a ZF Type H on the 3.0l and with SMG on either model. the 2.5l manual is a Getrag Type B+. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:06:48 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 745Li problems? > It is my understanding that many of the problems with the early 745i and > 745Li models were software related issues. I also have been told that there > is a software update which will resolve many of the problems. This is my understanding as well. Every time I go visit Ganley BMW, there are always 2-3 of them being reprogrammed. It used to take something like 8-12 hours to reprogram those cars but I heard it is down to 3-4 hours these days...at least that is what I was told. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:08:28 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: A paltry $23,500 > The guy lists his car for $23,500 and you post a link to a competing sale > and state a car is $3,900 - then ask why is his car not holding value. The > latter might be a valid question but the price and the link are just BOGUS. Guys, guys, guys...this didn't seem like rocket science to me, but the person selling the car on this list and the person selling the car on eBay are......drum roll please....THE SAME PERSON. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:15:57 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? on 10/14/03 4:49 PM, "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I have 'heard' they have bought back more of these than any other > model in the history of the company. Pure hearsay, but on the 7 boards, > several have had free replacements etc. > > I would not sell one to anyone that knew me, where i lived or how to get > intouch with me after the sale. I was at my local dealer the other day, and in the service bay spotted a 745i with the hood up, the guts of the dash torn out, and electrical diagnostic equipment plugged in everywhere. Basically a scene straight out of the ICU, with the patient on major life-support. The mechanic told me there are 71 computers in this car, all interconnected, and of course all interdependent. This car looked to me like a buyback lemon in the making... Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:40:39 -0400 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Article on Seinfeld and Porsches Boy, I have to agree with you. The writer is obviously VERY jealous of Jerry's success. Talk about envy. I've seen better concealment from 6 year olds. Get a life pal. IMHO Rick > > From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/10/15 Wed AM 01:22:15 EDT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Article on Seinfeld and Porsches > > Please see that this is forwarded to Ron Rosenbaum. > > Mr. Rosenbaum, > > You, sir, are a helmet - as you so kindly demonstrated in your recent second-rate > "newspaper" article about Jerry Seinfeld and his collection of Porsches. I take > exception to this article on its only two premises - first, that Seinfeld is not > funny, and second, that his ongoing garage construction is something other than > reasonable. For the record, I am a huge Seinfeld fan, and an avid car lover. In > fact, as I write this, I am enjoying one of the very reruns you mentioned. > > Arguably, no television program in history has had so much of an impact on its > society as Seinfeld. That show created and/or popularized a whole new language that > is still present today, more than 5 years after it ended (think "yada yada yada", > etc.). Besides that part of its impact, it was simply one of the funniest shows > ever. Over nearly 10 seasons, the show delivered consistently original stories that > were intertwined in ever more bizarre ways. It always makes people laugh and it is > a common thread among people all over the country. I mourn for your obvious lack of > a sense of humor. > > Further, on the point of his new garage: Good for him. First of all, allow me to > remind you that the United States remains a free nation, in which people have the > liberty to do what makes them happy providing it does not harm others. Fact is, a > NY housing shortage is not a reason why Jerry should not be allowed to build his > garage. If he has the finances to buy the building and make the renovations, that's > all that matters. Besides, would his one garage provide housing for the "tens of > thousands" of people desperate for it, as you claim? I'll remind you of a person's > right to the pursuit of their happiness. If you don't share a love of cars - > Porsches in particular - I feel badly for you. However, I recognize many people do > not. Still, you shouldn't berate his passions because you resent his financial > success and the manner in which he chooses to spend it. > > From what I know of his collection, by the way, much of it is comprised of cars that > actually are quite rare - much more so than the Boxster you repeatedly mention. > ("Gunther," I believe it was?) Why shouldn't they be protected and displayed? > > On the literary quality of your article: If I were you, I would hold on to that job > at the Observer with everything I had. I'm no author, but boy, enough with the > "Little Lost Porsches" and "Little Kittens who Lost Their Mittens" and talk of Jerry > being obsessed with saying goodnight to his car collection. It's a little "hacky". > (I'll let you can figure out which episode that comes from, but here's a hint - > Kenny Banya and the rainbow suspenders.) > > Lastly, a word of advice. Do your homework next time you write an article like > this. If Seinfeld were sitting in a kitchenette reviewing his collection of > Porsches, he would not be eating cookies and milk. He would be eating cereal. With > just the right amount of milk. > > Kind regards, > > Neil > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:03:25 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [UUC] E30 vs E36 vs E39? Funny, That's the same thing that happened when a friend of mine took his car to Oktoberfest. He was mentioning that he was surprised that he was able to almost lap everyone in the field in his 99' 540i 6 speed. He said that he had over 15 E36's and even a couple of E46 M3's in his run group. I thought that the E36 and the E46 were hard to beat on the track? In a HUGE car like the 540, one would think that the more agile and quicker M-cars would be a little more of a challenge. It really all comes down to driver ability anyway. My friend just easily outclassed the others. He tells me that he was consistently hitting 135mph on the long straight. Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnn. Still waiting to share a track with a 6-cylinder M3 > that hasn't held me up before being passed.......Lemme see, hmmmm, yep, > passed everyone of them. > > In the future, I'd appreciate it if you didn't mind keeping those > overstuffed pigs out of the way, OK? > > ;-P > > Lee > 88M3->little kid on the block that bullies the hell of the big kids > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:53:05 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? > I was at my local dealer the other day, and in the service > bay spotted a > 745i with the hood up, the guts of the dash torn out, and electrical > diagnostic equipment plugged in everywhere. Basically a scene > straight out > of the ICU, with the patient on major life-support. > > The mechanic told me there are 71 computers in this car, all > interconnected, > and of course all interdependent. > > This car looked to me like a buyback lemon in the making... "CLEAR!" bzzzzt. "CLEAR!" bzzzzt. 71 computers in the car? I know first hand of German electronics over-engineering, but 71 computers? For what? I doubt all are computers. I assume he may be referring to electronic bits, boards, packs, etc in general. Although, I've been wrong before. Problem with software controls is that the end user will basically never have enough diagnostics stuff to diagnose everything. The tech will never have a chance to see into how the controllers really work down inside, and probably wouldn't understand even if he did. Whereas older cars with electrical controls are easier to figure out, as you can actually see how things work & where stuff goes on the board. The way cars are advancing, I wouldn't be surprised to see more electronics & software engineers in dealer service areas as the controls are really advancing past the technical level of the techs. I've already seen a lot of this in heavy industry (granted, with much more complex machines) & would bet it's coming to the automotive market in the not-too distant future. And you guys thought the earlier 750's were an electrical nightmare. Just wait until these new 745's get 10 or 15 years on them. Poor guys like Brett & Kirk are going to have to spend bazoodles of cash on diagnostic stuff for these things, if they're even willing to take them on. > > Neil > 96 M3 Lee 88 M3->with a reasonably simple control system--only what's on the e-prom is a mystery. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:58:00 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] 745Li problems? Alright, the Microsoft "Service Pack" fix--just free. I would think it wouldn't be real easy to get something that complicated exactly right the first time. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorffer, Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] 745Li problems? > > > > It is my understanding that many of the problems with the > early 745i and > > 745Li models were software related issues. I also have > been told that there > > is a software update which will resolve many of the problems. > > This is my understanding as well. Every time I go visit > Ganley BMW, there are always 2-3 of them being reprogrammed. > It used to take something like 8-12 hours to reprogram those > cars but I heard it is down to 3-4 hours these days...at > least that is what I was told. > > Regards, > > Rich > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:13:23 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] [UUC] E30 vs E36 vs E39? Kirk wrote: >Funny, That's the same thing that happened when a friend of mine took his car to Oktoberfest. He was mentioning that he was surprised that he was able to almost lap everyone in the field in his 99' 540i 6 speed. He said that he had over 15 E36's and even a couple of E46 M3's in his run group. I thought that the E36 and the E46 were hard to beat on the track? In a HUGE car like the 540, one would think that the more agile and quicker M-cars would be a little more of a challenge. It really all comes down to driver ability anyway. My friend just easily outclassed the others. He tells me that he was consistently hitting 135mph on the long straight. __________________ Kirk is right on point with this. We often debate the efficacy of one car v. another, but often forget that by far the single biggest variable is the mope behind the wheel. When magazines do comparison tests and provide test track results, it's almost always with ONE driver behind the wheel of all the cars. I'm as guilty as anyone else; when I'm at the track, after a session, I often discuss who I passed (or more often, who passed me). Though I am far, far from being the fastest or best driver at an event, I have done my share of catching, passing and leaving behind. Based solely on my experiences, I could argue that a non-sport model Jaguar S-type from Hertz is faster than a Ferrari 355F1 GTS, a 996tt is slower than a Subaru WRX, or, heck, even a Ferrari 330 GT is slower than a 1991 Chevy S-10 pickup with mismatched Kelly whitewall tires and a vinyl bench seat! vty, - --Dennis ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6815 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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