[uucdigest] Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6818
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[uuc] RE: 745iL problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:23:33 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Marco Romani wrote: > The buss wiring technology has been around for a long time > (relatively), I'm > amazed at the problems the automakers seem to be having. Cars, it turns out, are a very, very harsh environment for electronics. So are warplanes, of course, but the parts are built to very high (and very expensive) specs. And compare the maintenance regimen of an A6E to that of your Escalanche. And you're probably much better than the average owner. - - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:24:12 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > I don't like where automotive technology is going at all. I am fond of > working on cars from time to time....tinkering with them...especially > german > cars from the 80's. This will be a thing of the past. You can't tinker > on a > car with 71 computers in it ;-) . Sure you can - you just need a laptop. - - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:27:04 -0500 From: "Robert M. Ellsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #6814 Dennis, you're more right than you know about the car on eBay... >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> Someone has a car just like yours on EBay at $3900 right now? >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2437459510 >>>> There are 11 more of them for a less paltry sum. Why are all of these >>>> 850's suddenly selling for less? >>>> >>>> Jacob I hate to mention this, since Chris has probably been laughing at how this thread has been progressing... But not only is that car "just like" his car, it IS his car... Reading between the lines... Could the reserve price on this auction be, perhaps, $23,500? ;-} (And yes, I think it's worth at least what he's asking for it. I'd buy it for that price if I had room for it!) RME ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:45:49 -0500 From: "Robert M. Ellsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] 850s being auctioned Dennis, you're more right than you know when you're discussing the value of that car on eBay... >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> Someone has a car just like yours on EBay at $3900 right now? >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2437459510 >>>> There are 11 more of them for a less paltry sum. Why are all of these >>>> 850's suddenly selling for less? >>>> >>>> Jacob I hate to mention this, since Chris has probably been laughing at how this thread has been progressing... But not only is that car "just like" his car, it IS his car... Reading between the lines... Could the reserve price on this auction be, perhaps, $23,500? ;-} (And yes, I think it's worth at least what he's asking for it. I'd buy it for that price if I had room for it! Jacob -- if you were trying to negotiate the price down, I don't think it's gonna work... ;-}) Dennis is, of course, right about using auctions in progress for value: The only eBay prices that are 'true' are those listed for closed auctions, preferably closed auctions where the 'winning bidder' actually came across with the cash (something that, more and more, seems not to happen all the time...). All the *real* bidding action happens in the last few minutes, or seconds, of most of these auctions anyway. Now, if there were lots of 850s that were being sold 'below reserve', or fetched very low prices on 'no-reserve' auctions, I'd be a bit more suspicious. Doubt that's happening on the good examples... RME ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robinson, Lee wrote: > 71 computers in the car? I know first hand of German electronics > over-engineering, but 71 computers? For what? The previous generation M-B S and SLs have had over 50 computers on board. There are lots of little embedded micros all over the car controlling things like gauges, the telematics (which have their own share of multiple CPUs and processors), the traction control, brakes, etc. And here I thought stegosauruses were fancy with their two brains. As for over-engineering, a well-known German maker of ABS systems reboots their ABS computer several times a second for maximum reliability. - --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 745Li problems? Bill: You're right, of course! Very funny about the lemon buses. My friend John Stoj would have really appreciated that joke. Neil Deshpande *** "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] 745Li problems? "Neil Deshpande" > This fault rate is going down all the time, of > courses, as people get used to better quality, but > ceteris parabus. Neil goes from talking about the 745i and computers to talking about a pair of lemon buses or something. Wait a minute you meant ceteris paribus. Never mind. Bill Matthews ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Sad BMW-related Story (My Take) Mike: I think this works for most things for most people. In my experience, exposure to the 'good' things develops taste, while the opposite may cause a stunting of the ability to be discerning. In school I found that, generally speaking, those from wealthier backgrounds and with greater exposure (read "would have been spoilt if they'd been silly") worked harder than those who were not. I think the exceptions, like the thieving (but very attractive!) Ms Ryder or the Max Factor hier (can't recall what he did, but it seemed below par!) just get pointed out more. Neil Deshpande *** "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think with the topic, exposure and experience to high speed cars develops a much greater respect for the abilities of the car. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:28:47 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? Part of the pre-flight check was to check for fluid leaks. If there weren't any you wouldn't go flying. It was an indication that there was no oil ;-) Marco only just kidding - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Dadgar Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? And compare the maintenance regimen of an A6E to that of your Escalanche. And you're probably much better than the average owner. - - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:29:57 -0400 From: Don Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30 Diff noise Hi I own two of these cars and I don't think the diffs make noise. The only times they did was 1:) When I first got the 1988 it was noisy. I changed the diff oil (not even redline) this fixed it. 2:) I put a used 4:10 in the 1988 and the pinion gear was worn. That made noise. Replaced it with another used 4:10 and it was fine. My 1987 still has the original 3:73 in it and it is quiet even with 175K on the clock. Also can we give the "another sad BMW related story" thread a break?? Thanks Don Stevenson/BMWCCA Boston Chapter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1988 325IS KP #49 1987 325IS street **************************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged or confidential information. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone any information contained in this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the author by replying to this message and then kindly delete the message. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:34:47 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] 850s being auctioned By Jove! I think you are right. I shouldn't have said anything, but one of my pet peeves is someone listing something for sale and then someone jumps in and says: 1) That is too much 2) Here (link provided) you can get one cheaper 3) Those of cr*p, why would someone want one? 4) Some other derogatory remark about what you are selling Since I need to sell my 330i, I guess I am overly sensitive right now (hey, maybe I DO need a pad?) :-) Dennis M5 silver/black 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd - now for sale! At 02:45 PM 10/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dennis, you're more right than you know when you're discussing the value of >that car on eBay... > > >>>> Chris, > >>>> > >>>> Someone has a car just like yours on EBay at $3900 right now? > >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2437459510 > >>>> There are 11 more of them for a less paltry sum. Why are all of these > >>>> 850's suddenly selling for less? > >>>> > >>>> Jacob > > >I hate to mention this, since Chris has probably been laughing at how this >thread has been progressing... But not only is that car "just like" his car, >it IS his car... > >Reading between the lines... Could the reserve price on this auction be, >perhaps, $23,500? ;-} > >(And yes, I think it's worth at least what he's asking for it. I'd buy it >for that price if I had room for it! Jacob -- if you were trying to >negotiate the price down, I don't think it's gonna work... ;-}) > >Dennis is, of course, right about using auctions in progress for value: The >only eBay prices that are 'true' are those listed for closed auctions, >preferably closed auctions where the 'winning bidder' actually came across >with the cash (something that, more and more, seems not to happen all the >time...). All the *real* bidding action happens in the last few minutes, or >seconds, of most of these auctions anyway. > >Now, if there were lots of 850s that were being sold 'below reserve', or >fetched very low prices on 'no-reserve' auctions, I'd be a bit more >suspicious. Doubt that's happening on the good examples... > >RME ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:13:00 +0000 From: "Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Items for sale (E39/E30) Gruppe: I have a pair of E39 M5 mufflers that I would like to get rid of. They have <1000 miles on them and were cut off a friend's vehicle for what I believe was Dinan mufflers.They are in good shape with some scratches from being stored. I'll take money or just shipping for them. They are in NJ and they are heavy. I would prefer someone just come by and pick them up. Drop me an email off the list if you are interested. I also have a glass sunroof for E30 on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2437805200 I know it is not 'Rare,' but thought that might help with searches. Thanks for the bandwidth. Gilbert _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:52:34 -0600 From: Jed Crystal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30: new belts and now a new vibration(?) I just had new belts (except for the timing) put on my '88 325is (106k), and immediately noticed a vibration in the engine. I can feel it in the steering wheel and the floor. It comes at around 2700 rpm and again, worse, at 4000rpm, and especially under load, or when I lift my foot from the gas. When I clutch-in, it goes away, but I suspect that is related more to the reduced revs, and load, and not the dis-engagement of the drivetrain. The previous owner had the same thing happen with new belts and couldn't find the problem, so he lived with it until the next change. Then the vibration went away. My mechanic used NAPA belts. Are the OEM any different? Has this happened to any of you E30 drivers out there? Does anyone have any suggestions? Many thanks in advance Jc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:03:56 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: 745iL problems with attribution to Jon Wicks (from down under) on the 7 Digest and related to the E65 thread: *************************************************************************** Just as seriously but closer to topic I have a couple of stories about Australia's Richest man, Kerry Packer. He is a long-time car nut and still uses his E38 750il most times when he chooses to drive himself here in Sydney. I believe he has identical cars in London and New York. To set the tone, story one (absolutely true and extremely Australian); Mr Packer is in the high roller room of his favourite casino in Las Vegas. He's already lost more than ten million US dollars this night but it's no big deal. A visiting Texan walks in and isn't impressed that this upstart Packer has taken his favourite chair at the Blackjack table. The Texan oil millionaire asks Packer who the hell he is. Packer replies and asks the man "How much are you worth mate?". The Texan replies "I'm worth one hundred million dollars". Without the slightest pause Packer ends the conversation with "Tell you what mate, I'll toss you for it". The Texan leaves quietly through a side door. Story two; Kerry Packer has owned a lot of cars and he has long had a soft spot for the magnificent seven. Just about the first new E65 in Australia was delivered to Mr Packer. The 'unconfirmed rumour' goes something like this: BMW rep delivers fully optioned E65 to new owner and spends an hour familiarising said owner with new car. BMW rep returns to dealership. A little over one hour later owner returns to dealership having put fist through malfunctioning display screen. Owner demands return of his previous seven series and leaves E65 at the dealers. Owner is happy. Dealer has premonitions of doom. It's certainly not true that all the way back to the dealership the onboard computer was admonishing the driver for his 'un-German' loss of self control. - -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6818 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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