[uucdigest] Thursday, October 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6819
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(A6) [uuc] BRAND NEW BMW/ALPINE CD CHANGER $375 RE: [uuc] <E36> non-M spoiler is coming loose RE: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E30: new belts and now a new vibration(?) Make sure that they didn't bend a pulley. Also the alternator bushings could be bad causing it to be out of alignmenmt. Do you have a lot of miles? The center bearing on the driveshaft could be going. Jason - --- Jed Crystal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just had new belts (except for the timing) put on > my '88 325is (106k), and immediately noticed a > vibration in the engine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:39:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> non-M spoiler is coming loose The rear spoiler on my non-M E36 is coming loose. Problem is I can't get a wrench on the bolts that secure the dumb thing to the trunk lid. There's an access hole beneath each bolt, but it's offset (towards the inside of the car) from the bolt by maybe a half-inch. With that, I can get a socket on it, but it's at such an angle that I can't apply much force before it spins off. I can't imagine how this was installed at the factory. Anybody got a suggestion for how I might deal with this? It's an 8mm bolt, and there's no room for a u-joint. I'm thinking of trying to get a "crow's foot" in there, but I don't know if there's room. I tried a flex extension, but the one I have is basically a spring that doesn't allow one to apply much force at all. Does anybody make a flexible socket extension (maybe out of some polymer) that bends but still allows for the application of a decent amount of force? - - Kevin Jay '96 328is, red/tan, 83K, rattling rear spoiler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:35:42 -0700 From: Knute Ream <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? (A6) >Mark Dadgar wrote: >On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Marco Romani wrote: > > The buss wiring technology has been around for a long time > > (relatively), I'm > > amazed at the problems the automakers seem to be having. > >Cars, it turns out, are a very, very harsh environment for electronics. > >So are warplanes, of course, but the parts are built to very high (and >very expensive) specs. > >And compare the maintenance regimen of an A6E to that of your >Escalanche. And you're probably much better than the average owner. > >- - Mark It's kind of funny to me to use the A6 as an example... I have a foggy memory from an excerpt in Coonts' book "Flight of the Intruder" in which he describes a chronic problem with the flight computer system in which the drum storage would lock up under high G's, and they would have to frantically give the unit a few good thwacks (technical term) at the right moment to get it started back up again. ;-) - -Knute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: willie yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] 745Li problems? Speaking as someone from IT field, quality is not one of the 3 word used to define a successful project in the world of project management. Budget, Schedule and Scope. Guess what you do not have to meet all 3 requirements. 2 out 3 is considered a successful project. Will ps. There are occasions where project is tested is migrated to production without testing. - --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alright, the Microsoft "Service Pack" fix--just > free. > > I would think it wouldn't be real easy to get > something that complicated > exactly right the first time. > > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dorffer, Rich > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:07 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [uuc] 745Li problems? > > > > > > > It is my understanding that many of the problems > with the > > early 745i and > > > 745Li models were software related issues. I > also have > > been told that there > > > is a software update which will resolve many of > the problems. > > > > This is my understanding as well. Every time I go > visit > > Ganley BMW, there are always 2-3 of them being > reprogrammed. > > It used to take something like 8-12 hours to > reprogram those > > cars but I heard it is down to 3-4 hours these > days...at > > least that is what I was told. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rich > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:45:09 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? Those are required by your buddies at the EPA. Gary Derian > and go. These newer cars are ridiculous. If I could damn someone to hell, it > would be the man who thought up the check engine light. What a ridiculous > thing. They cause me so many problems, when there is no problem there. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:47:07 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? A laptop is the easy part. The hard part is interpreting the computer language without a Rosetta Stone. Gary Derian > On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > > I don't like where automotive technology is going at all. I am fond of > > working on cars from time to time....tinkering with them...especially > > german > > cars from the 80's. This will be a thing of the past. You can't tinker > > on a > > car with 71 computers in it ;-) . > > Sure you can - you just need a laptop. > > - Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:41:40 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? I did that once. I had a transmission leak that miraculously fixed itself. Ha ha on me. It stopped leaking because it ran out of oil. Gary Derian > Part of the pre-flight check was to check for fluid leaks. If there weren't > any you wouldn't go flying. It was an indication that there was no oil ;-) > > Marco > only just kidding ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:25:02 -0400 From: "lieb923" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] One dead Kenwood RIP. Take a look at the Denon AVR2803. Lots of bells and whistles. $550-600. HTH. Norman Lieberman 97 528/5 in pa. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:17:33 -0700 From: "Ben Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] what oil is the same as the stealer uses??? Can anybody tell me what oil is used by the dealer in a '97 Z3 w/ a 2.5 motor? Thanx, ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:39:05 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] what oil is the same as the stealer uses??? Probably BMW oil, 5W-30 Castrol Syntec. Gary Derian > Can anybody tell me what oil is used by the dealer in a '97 Z3 w/ a 2.5 > motor? Thanx, ben > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:59:46 -0700 From: marco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? (A6) True for the A6A. The A6E had a "real" computer. For it's time the A6A was a wonder jet. Marco btw - Naval Avaitors do nothing "frantically". ;-) Knute Ream wrote: > >> Mark Dadgar wrote: >> On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Marco Romani wrote: >> > The buss wiring technology has been around for a long time >> > (relatively), I'm >> > amazed at the problems the automakers seem to be having. >> >> Cars, it turns out, are a very, very harsh environment for electronics. >> >> So are warplanes, of course, but the parts are built to very high (and >> very expensive) specs. >> >> And compare the maintenance regimen of an A6E to that of your >> Escalanche. And you're probably much better than the average owner. >> >> - - Mark > > > It's kind of funny to me to use the A6 as an example... I have a foggy > memory from an excerpt in Coonts' book "Flight of the Intruder" in which > he describes a chronic problem with the flight computer system in which > the drum storage would lock up under high G's, and they would have to > frantically give the unit a few good thwacks (technical term) at the > right moment to get it started back up again. ;-) > > -Knute > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:00:05 -0700 From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BRAND NEW BMW/ALPINE CD CHANGER $375 Group, I've created a website for some brand new CD changers that are plug and play for our cars: http://www.inlacal.com/changer These list for $595 + tax at dealers. I'll sell it for $375 (which will include shipping). Chris 89 M3 http://www.inlacal.com 91 M5 93 850ci 98 M Roadster 01 X5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:32:40 -0400 From: Pat Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E36> non-M spoiler is coming loose Let me know too, mine is coming a "little loose" and I'd like to tighten it some Pat Green 92 325i - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <E36> non-M spoiler is coming loose The rear spoiler on my non-M E36 is coming loose. Problem is I can't get a wrench on the bolts that secure the dumb thing to the trunk lid. There's an access hole beneath each bolt, but it's offset (towards the inside of the car) from the bolt by maybe a half-inch. With that, I can get a socket on it, but it's at such an angle that I can't apply much force before it spins off. I can't imagine how this was installed at the factory. Anybody got a suggestion for how I might deal with this? It's an 8mm bolt, and there's no room for a u-joint. I'm thinking of trying to get a "crow's foot" in there, but I don't know if there's room. I tried a flex extension, but the one I have is basically a spring that doesn't allow one to apply much force at all. Does anybody make a flexible socket extension (maybe out of some polymer) that bends but still allows for the application of a decent amount of force? - - Kevin Jay '96 328is, red/tan, 83K, rattling rear spoiler ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:56:59 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: 745Li problems? > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:48:58 -0400 > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> > The mechanic told me there are 71 computers in this car, all > >> > interconnected, > >> > and of course all interdependent. > >> > > >> > This car looked to me like a buyback lemon in the making... > >> > >> "CLEAR!" bzzzzt. "CLEAR!" bzzzzt. > >> > >> 71 computers in the car? I know first hand of German electronics > >> over-engineering, but 71 computers? For what? > >> > >> I doubt all are computers. I assume he may be referring > to electronic > >bits, > >> boards, packs, etc in general. Although, I've been wrong before. > > > >Well according to this site there are as many as 50 micro > procecessors > in > >some cars so BMW would have to have at least 71........ Well, that was what I was trying to get at. I think the tech was overstating that there were 71 "computers" in the car. That gives most people the impression of something as powerful as they have at home. Like I said, I wouldn't doubt that there are 71 signal processors in the car, like signal conditioning boards for the gauges to micro-controllers for the engine management. > > > >http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-computer.htm Hehe, one of my favorite sites. I spend a lot of time here during idle downtime. Great "enginerd" site. > > > >4-5 years ago when I went to a factory rep tech session for > the Volvo S60 > >when it was first introduced the rep talked about the high > speed (engine > >and > >safety) network and the low speed (all the other stuff) > network and how > >they were all connected with routers etc and how much money > they saved > in > >wiring the car by doing it that way. But you couldn't add a > radio without > >hooking it up to the mothership via the satellite uplink to > reprogram the > >car to see it. Doesn't surprise me. This is how most control systems work. It simplifies wiring & prevents contamination of control signals with power supply. The low & high speed networks are something that doesn't surprise me either. There's no reason for, say the HVAC stuff to clog the engine management network. I'm not surprised about the radio either. In order for it to participate in even a simple network, the configuration would have to be changed to include it. > > > >Bill Matthews Lee ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6819 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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