On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 09:56 -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:39:04AM -0500, Tom Metro wrote:
> > For me, popularity matters for two reasons:
> > 
> > 1. If you like Perl enough that you'd like it to be all or a big part of 
> > your day job.
> 
> If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
> to make it your day job.  Find a new employer, start your own business,
> whatever it takes.
> 
> s/Perl/(Bike Riding|Gardening|Cooking|Painting|Teaching|Filmmaking)/; as
> appropriate.  There is nothing magical about Perl programming that makes
> it so very different than other pursuit.

OK. But by that logic it's still a win for Perl to be more popular. For
example, in areas where bike riding is more popular, there tends to be
more bike paths, good bike shops, etc.

Look, here's the thing that weirds me out the most about these threads.
You are a member of Perl Mongers. A group intended for Perl enthusiasts.
A place for people who really like Perl to gather, exchange ideas, etc.
It really blows my mind that some people on this list seem really
interested in shooting down even the idea of trying to make Perl more
popular. I would expect some differences in opinions on what ways might
be more effective. That some people would be more interested in
seeing/helping with idea B than idea A.

But I can't get my mind around WHY the very _concept_ of trying to grow
Perl seems so awful to some. Particularly on a list like Boston.pm. Why
are you here if you think Perl _should_ fade into obscurity? Maybe I'm
getting the wrong impression, but if that's the way you feel, beat the
curve - leave. What are you afraid of?!?!


> If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
> to make it your day job.  Find a new employer, start your own
> business,
> whatever it takes.

What the heck do you think we're trying to do? We're just looking for a
way to help all of us collectively. Maybe some of the ideas that have
been proposed aren't great. Maybe they will work, maybe not. But if we
can't even hold a positive discussion among ourselves about ways we
might be able to help Perl grow (_beyond_ the old standard responses we
all know by rote - contribute to CPAN, add docs, test, yada yada), then
maybe Perl is done, since without a supportive community it is doomed.

-- 
Sean Quinlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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