From: Ben Tilly <[email protected]>
   Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:04:58 -0700

   For him to discuss it off list would be pointless because his emails
   will bounce until he goes through the confirmation.  At which point he
   won't have spam to deal with.

Or I could decide to add him to my whitelist.

   That said, I understand Randal's position.  It makes emails
   inaccessible to anyone who doesn't see the bounce message for any
   reason . . .

True (though only if I don't happen to check the "pending" queue in
time).  But no less true that if, say, somebody had mistyped my address.
Getting bounces is important, for both sender and recipient.

   Ironically if two people use TMDA, they have no way to ever establish
   email contact.

That is only true for TMDA users who block bounce messages, which I
consider misconfiguration.  I have only needed to do so once, for about
24 hours, to stop from being Joe-jobbed.

   This fact is why the technology never had more than a
   niche acceptance.  But if you're willing to be anti-social, I'll grant
   that you block a lot of spam.  However at the cost of being
   potentially used as a spam host yourself.  Anyone who wants can forge
   email header, which can cause you to bounce your spam to anyone else
   in the world.

That is also not true, at least for me.  I have TMDA configured to
generate challeges only for messages not flagged as spam by a Bayesian
filter.  So only those spams that could get through a "proper spam
solution" will generate blowback.

   And I'm also used to this sort of misinformed criticism.  People who
don't like TMDA *really* don't like it.  That's a shame.

                                        -- Bob

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