Policy - auto-challenge users (TMDA or other aside from Vacation
setting) will be in Digest Mode and Moderated until a better solution
is found.
Discussion of TMDA will move off the Boston.pm list now.

bill
indefinite interim facilitator

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Bob Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>   From: Ben Tilly <[email protected]>
>   Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:04:58 -0700
>
>   For him to discuss it off list would be pointless because his emails
>   will bounce until he goes through the confirmation.  At which point he
>   won't have spam to deal with.
>
> Or I could decide to add him to my whitelist.
>
>   That said, I understand Randal's position.  It makes emails
>   inaccessible to anyone who doesn't see the bounce message for any
>   reason . . .
>
> True (though only if I don't happen to check the "pending" queue in
> time).  But no less true that if, say, somebody had mistyped my address.
> Getting bounces is important, for both sender and recipient.
>
>   Ironically if two people use TMDA, they have no way to ever establish
>   email contact.
>
> That is only true for TMDA users who block bounce messages, which I
> consider misconfiguration.  I have only needed to do so once, for about
> 24 hours, to stop from being Joe-jobbed.
>
>   This fact is why the technology never had more than a
>   niche acceptance.  But if you're willing to be anti-social, I'll grant
>   that you block a lot of spam.  However at the cost of being
>   potentially used as a spam host yourself.  Anyone who wants can forge
>   email header, which can cause you to bounce your spam to anyone else
>   in the world.
>
> That is also not true, at least for me.  I have TMDA configured to
> generate challeges only for messages not flagged as spam by a Bayesian
> filter.  So only those spams that could get through a "proper spam
> solution" will generate blowback.
>
>   And I'm also used to this sort of misinformed criticism.  People who
> don't like TMDA *really* don't like it.  That's a shame.
>
>                                        -- Bob
>
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